**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 06 02:59:58 2012 Aug 06 03:00:27 going good actually, just downloading a new jelly bean rom to play with, nothing exciting Aug 06 03:00:28 you? Aug 06 03:00:48 for what device? Aug 06 03:00:55 I'm just working on my new game. Aug 06 03:00:56 NS4G Aug 06 03:01:07 oh yeah? what kind of game? Aug 06 03:01:39 Ah, I have one of those laying around, let me know if the rom is worth installing. Aug 06 03:01:46 It's a Facebook game Aug 06 03:01:52 "Just Another Homeless Romantic" Aug 06 03:02:14 JB on the NS4G runs phenomenally, smooth as "butter" Aug 06 03:02:15 oh Aug 06 03:02:22 I've never played a facebook game before Aug 06 03:02:27 what's the premise of yours? Aug 06 03:04:36 You were a successful investment banker, but then the housing bubble burst and you're homeless, living on the street begging for money. One day, a beautiful woman passed by and gives you some money. You instantly fall in love with her, and then goal is to win her over. You play a few mini games, and earn points. Aug 06 03:04:53 There's only like 3 mini games though. Aug 06 03:05:04 ah Aug 06 03:05:25 what language do you exactly write facebook games in anyhow..? Aug 06 03:05:39 Whatever you want. This is just JS. Aug 06 03:05:50 I'm using a cool library called spriteJS. Aug 06 03:05:51 ah Aug 06 03:06:00 I'll have to check it out when it's done Aug 06 03:06:15 though I don't think I can remember my facebook password so that could make things difficult Aug 06 03:06:20 There will be a non-facebook url for people who hate Facebook apps. Aug 06 03:06:25 So no worries there. Aug 06 03:06:31 smart move Aug 06 03:06:41 being JS only what about a mobile version? Aug 06 03:07:29 Once we get the full browser version out the door, we'll work on mobile versions. Aug 06 03:07:57 I work backwards, always build mobile versions first then go desktop Aug 06 03:08:21 That's usually my tactic, but in this case we wanted to launch on Facebook. Aug 06 03:08:32 yeah makes sense Aug 06 03:09:01 And on the side of all of this, I'm working on Villo, haha. Such a pain in the ass. Aug 06 03:09:08 And on thursday I have to go sing somewhere. Aug 06 03:09:22 a singer too eh? what do you sing? Aug 06 03:09:48 I'm awful at describing my music. http://youtube.com/jordangenslermusic Aug 06 03:09:53 Just look at the song titles. Aug 06 03:10:05 I'm not good by any means, but some people like it. Aug 06 03:10:23 Well I'm a drummer / guitarist Aug 06 03:10:26 decent at drums, suck at guitar Aug 06 03:11:19 I tried picking up the drums, I was awful. Aug 06 03:11:47 I don't have any drums at the moment though :( Left them in Alaska Aug 06 03:11:55 You lived in Alaska? Aug 06 03:12:09 that's where I'm from Aug 06 03:12:16 I did not know that. Aug 06 03:12:16 left back in 2001 Aug 06 03:12:20 Why? Aug 06 03:12:27 then had a short stint in Arizona, then wound up in Oregon Aug 06 03:12:38 that was every young Alaskan's dream, to leave Alaska Aug 06 03:12:50 Haha, fair enough. Aug 06 03:12:57 I graduated HS and moved to AZ where a friend of mine wound up Aug 06 03:13:32 when things fell through I moved to Oregon where my parents wound up when they left Alaska Aug 06 03:14:01 Ah, well that's interesting. Aug 06 03:14:09 Do you like it here? Aug 06 03:14:13 not that you really cared to know all that :P Aug 06 03:14:15 yeah I love it Aug 06 03:14:22 met my wife here, had my kids here, etc Aug 06 03:14:33 I like knowing people's stories! Aug 06 03:14:39 Then I'd say it was a good move. Aug 06 03:14:45 Pun not intended. Aug 06 03:14:55 haha Aug 06 03:15:05 Do you know where Bridgeport is? Aug 06 03:15:12 yeah of course Aug 06 03:15:24 I may live in Woodburn but we rarely actually do stuff here Aug 06 03:15:34 You should drop by there Thursday at 5:30 and watch me play. Aug 06 03:15:37 used to live in Newberg, then Wilsonville Aug 06 03:15:48 Haha, Newberg... Aug 06 03:16:07 I happened to like Newberg Aug 06 03:16:29 I've never lived there, but whenever I visit it always seems less than great. Aug 06 03:16:37 It just might be the area of Newberg though. Aug 06 03:17:38 the best part of Newberg was that it was both close to decent shopping centers (has both a fred meyer and safeway) while also not being far from even more good shopping (winco/costco in tigard, everything in wilsonville) Aug 06 03:18:06 I love winco/costco. My family does all of their shopping there. Aug 06 03:18:29 Safeway isn't too bad, just over priced. But when I can't find something at Winco, they usually have it. Aug 06 03:18:35 we rarely get to winco anymore since there isn't one decently close enough to Woodburn, but we still hit costco a lot (up in Wilsonville) Aug 06 03:18:57 Buying in bulk is my favorite thing to do. Aug 06 03:18:59 Ever. Aug 06 03:19:11 yeah I'm not a huge fan of Safeway either but Woodburn has one and although I can litterally walk across the street and be at a super walmart I'd rather drive across town to Safeway Aug 06 03:19:41 I dislike walmart. Aug 06 03:19:50 I prefer super targets. Aug 06 03:20:01 that's what Sherwood is for :) Aug 06 03:20:37 Indeed. This is so strange, I've never had a conversation about local stuff with other developers. Aug 06 03:20:40 Nobody lives around here. Aug 06 03:21:51 haha Aug 06 03:21:53 agreed Aug 06 03:22:50 so where do you play at bridgeport? Aug 06 03:23:31 In the big open area. Aug 06 03:23:46 My the MAC store. Aug 06 03:23:49 *by Aug 06 03:24:03 I haven't ventured around that area all too much, usually just drive through there to get somewhere else Aug 06 03:24:15 Ah, well I'm not sure how to explain it then. Aug 06 03:24:21 I go there far too much. Aug 06 03:24:28 I have been around the stores a few times, but it was long ago Aug 06 03:24:29 It's my go-to place for dates. Aug 06 03:24:43 my wife would probably know where you were talking about Aug 06 03:24:47 Basically, the place I play is outside and by the movie theater. Aug 06 03:25:30 my wife is familer Aug 06 03:26:07 we hang out with some friends at their place on thurday nights, but if you're any good maybe we could all come and watch Aug 06 03:26:26 wife was sleeping on the couch next to me so I didn't play that link you sent earlier, but now she's awake so I will Aug 06 03:27:13 Haha, well if you end up going, be sure to say hello. Aug 06 03:28:19 I'd wear my Enyo shirt, wouldn't be able to miss me Aug 06 03:29:57 Haha, that'd be great. Aug 06 03:31:16 then if I can ever get my hands on some drums we can be complete nerds and record a song about Enyo performed by Enyo developers, we'd be famous :P Aug 06 03:31:38 Haha, I would love to do that. Aug 06 03:31:41 I <3 Enyo. Aug 06 03:32:09 me too Aug 06 03:35:14 blah Aug 06 03:35:20 ? Aug 06 03:35:20 opera is a great browser, super fast Aug 06 03:35:25 struggles to play a youtube video Aug 06 03:35:28 Haha Aug 06 03:35:28 *sigh* Aug 06 03:35:38 Chrome is good. Aug 06 03:35:42 Safari is good on macs. Aug 06 03:35:50 I don't own any apple products Aug 06 03:37:17 I recommend them. Aug 06 03:37:42 I don't care for them Aug 06 03:38:18 but hey that's why we have choices in the tech world Aug 06 03:38:42 Exactly! Aug 06 03:39:16 I'm probably going to pawn my mac versions off on my friend Luke probably Aug 06 03:40:48 Heh, that works too. Aug 06 03:49:02 so which of the songs would you recommend to showcase you? Aug 06 03:49:35 Uhm. Aug 06 03:49:39 Depends on what you like. Aug 06 03:49:54 well I personally am kind of an "old school rocker" Aug 06 03:50:00 but my wife likes some of the softer stuff Aug 06 03:51:10 I personally like Til Kingdom Come, In The Aeroplane Over The Sea, and As A War Aug 06 03:51:15 I really hate the old videos. Aug 06 03:53:58 I have lots of unlisted videos too. Aug 06 03:54:03 But it more or less the same. Aug 06 03:54:27 gotcha Aug 06 03:56:53 well here goes nothing Aug 06 03:56:58 * phil_bw installs the new JB rom Aug 06 03:57:14 I love new roms. Aug 06 03:57:56 me too Aug 06 03:58:05 I started using ICS october of last year Aug 06 03:58:09 so it was getting kinda stale Aug 06 03:59:25 ok I'm scared Aug 06 03:59:31 i've *never* had a rom install this fast Aug 06 03:59:42 was installed and booted in a minute or so Aug 06 04:00:08 checked the about phone setting and sure enough 4.1.1 so I guess it took Aug 06 07:05:34 Well, that's a solid day of work. Aug 06 07:05:40 Goodnight, everybody. Aug 06 07:05:42 It's been fun. Aug 06 19:14:37 anyone around? Aug 06 19:18:16 yeah Aug 06 19:18:37 need a little help with something, trying to get it into a js fiddle now, one sec Aug 06 19:24:03 sorry, should have been more prepared before asking for help... :/ just about have it Aug 06 19:26:00 no big Aug 06 19:26:44 http://jsfiddle.net/bWhFS/1/ Aug 06 19:27:11 this is probably something absolutely stupid, but I'm enough of an Enyo newbie that it seems I'm asking for help yet again Aug 06 19:27:24 I'm pretty new also Aug 06 19:27:38 so what's the issue? Aug 06 19:27:53 see the three buttons? all three should fire the alert when tapped Aug 06 19:28:08 the first one does of course, the second two (which are in my control) do not Aug 06 19:28:17 I'm guessing it has something to do with the way I'm creating them Aug 06 19:28:26 your context is wrong Aug 06 19:29:00 basically what that control does is takes it's components, saves them into a variable, destroys them, creates new divs, then recreates the controls inside the divs Aug 06 19:29:17 wait, actually, that's not true Aug 06 19:30:44 yeah, it's because of the way you're destroying and creating them Aug 06 19:30:54 my guess is you lose handlers Aug 06 19:31:02 that's what I'm guessing too Aug 06 19:31:30 so if I register for the ontap event inside the pmf.Columns kind it'll catch the button's ontap event Aug 06 19:31:52 so clearly it's fireing the ontap event, it's just not making it to the right point Aug 06 19:32:42 why are you destroying them? Aug 06 19:32:46 do you need to be? Aug 06 19:33:06 yeah otherwise it'll just create the components directly in the control Aug 06 19:33:14 which is not what I want Aug 06 19:33:25 I want them created inside new components Aug 06 19:33:26 you want to wrap them in divs? Aug 06 19:33:39 correct with custom style attributes Aug 06 19:35:51 you might look into enyo.bind Aug 06 19:36:10 I'm not sure how you're gonna access to the handlers defined already, but if you can, you can just bind them Aug 06 19:36:43 hmmm... Aug 06 19:36:50 phil_bw: http://jsfiddle.net/bWhFS/6/ Aug 06 19:37:32 your context is getting screwed up Aug 06 19:37:57 Tibfib_, that doesn't work right either Aug 06 19:38:05 did you actually run it? Aug 06 19:38:35 well, it launches the alert properly Aug 06 19:38:41 but it doesn't render hte button properly Aug 06 19:38:44 gimme a sec Aug 06 19:38:55 it's not rendering the divs into the "column" divs either Aug 06 19:39:11 btw appreciate your head man :) Aug 06 19:39:15 help* Aug 06 19:39:21 (head? wtf) Aug 06 19:41:59 weird, I can get the button to render, but it's losing context again Aug 06 19:42:23 it's all showing up absolutely correct, but the events are screwed up Aug 06 19:42:58 http://jsfiddle.net/bWhFS/15/ Aug 06 19:43:02 try that Aug 06 19:43:19 I'm not _certain_ it's getting the right divs, but it looks right, and acts right Aug 06 19:43:46 that looks correct Aug 06 19:44:01 bloody hell, I swear I tried exactly that a half hour ago Aug 06 19:44:12 only wait I think I put owner: this, not owner this.owner Aug 06 19:45:14 so, my only concern is that it's creating the components as part of the owner (in your case App, vs. pmf.Columns) Aug 06 19:45:18 dangit, jsfiddle locked up safari Aug 06 19:45:29 I hate jsfiddle Aug 06 19:45:40 but it has enyo as a library option so I use it anyway Aug 06 19:46:08 yeah, that's slick Aug 06 19:46:25 haha, what summatusmentis posted is just what I was about to post before jsfiddle locked up on me Aug 06 19:46:41 * phil_bw sighs Aug 06 19:47:01 while this code will work, I think there are better methods Aug 06 19:47:02 had I just added ".owner" a half hour ago I would have been god Aug 06 19:47:14 oh I figured as much Aug 06 19:47:18 phil_bw: I'd double check the ownership of the div columns, if it matters to you Aug 06 19:48:08 phil_bw: honestly, I'd make a published property "myComponents" or something similar Aug 06 19:48:12 I see what you're saying Aug 06 19:48:20 then you don't have to delete the components and rerender them Aug 06 19:48:25 just render them on create Aug 06 19:48:41 also, you don't need to call this.render on this.create.. It's redundant. Aug 06 19:48:58 Tibfib_, yeah that'd work too, this is just more "seamless" Aug 06 19:49:14 ah, I didn't think so, I put that in while i was stabbing in the dark for a solution Aug 06 19:49:23 Tibfib_: you do if you're making changes after calling this.inherited(arguments) I think? Aug 06 19:50:07 phil_bw: from a coding perspective yes, but not at all in how it works Aug 06 19:50:20 summatusmentis: nope Aug 06 19:50:37 (I removed it in my first revision on jsfiddle) Aug 06 19:51:03 phil_bw: deleting the components, and re-rendering them isn't seamless :) Aug 06 19:51:56 umm... so, the div part might still require re-rendering Aug 06 19:52:07 but there's a css property you can apply to do this logic for you Aug 06 19:52:08 hold on Aug 06 19:52:28 Tibfib_, I see your point, and perhaps later I'll implement a "mycomponents" property and test for it and if it's not there then use the delete and rerender method as a fall back Aug 06 19:52:47 phil_bw: what you can do that is seamless is modify the "createComponent" method for pmf.Columns kind to render the components as children of divs Aug 06 19:53:41 Tibfib_, honestly didn't know I could do that Aug 06 19:53:55 phil_bw: you can overwrite everything Aug 06 19:54:15 yeah, it's not immediately obvious, but it makes things pretty powerful Aug 06 19:54:37 ok, so, if you apply "display: table;" to the parent div Aug 06 19:54:53 and apply "display: table-cell" to the children, it'll evenly distribute them within the parent Aug 06 19:55:08 phil_bw: here are some optimizations you may be unaware of: http://jsfiddle.net/bWhFS/17/ Aug 06 19:55:20 something like http://jsfiddle.net/w3dx/ULQwf/ Aug 06 19:55:22 well, "a" single operation Aug 06 19:55:36 s/operation/optimization Aug 06 19:56:11 Tibfib_, I tried something similar at first and clearly didn't do it right.. Aug 06 19:56:27 unless it's really important they're put in separate divs, you might just consider applying the CSS properties Aug 06 19:56:59 summatusmentis, I considered that originally but just to be "safe" i wanted everything to be in it's own div Aug 06 19:57:44 phil_bw: enyo has a learning curve, for sure :) Aug 06 19:58:08 I would recommend a strategy like what summatusmentis suggests Aug 06 19:58:11 Tibfib_, yeah definitely but the more powerful tricks I learn the more I seem to be able to do with it, amazing how that works eh? Aug 06 19:58:37 heheh Aug 06 19:59:25 I'm trying to figure out why the translation to that isn't working Aug 06 19:59:56 as in, it's not spanning properly Aug 06 20:03:44 hrm Aug 06 20:18:13 * phil_bw scratches head Aug 06 20:18:25 my development setup is so backwards Aug 06 20:18:42 what does that mean? Aug 06 20:18:53 I'm writing all of my code on a Core 2 Duo 2ghz with 2gigs of ram Aug 06 20:19:17 sitting next to it is a Core i7 with 8 gigs of ram, doing nothing but playing slacker radio and displaying my twitter fead Aug 06 20:19:19 feed* Aug 06 20:19:49 lolol Aug 06 20:19:57 all because I'm too lazy to swap my massive monitor between laptops when I bring the Core i7 home with me Aug 06 20:20:27 * phil_bw sighs Aug 06 20:21:53 this 2ghz fujitsu is really quite the work horse, it can hold it's own, but sometimes I feel the HP Envy is overkill for what I do with it Aug 06 20:59:50 i've heard something about a group wanting to do a slide system in enyojs. i've thought about it myself at around the same time, but didn't pursue it further. does anyone know if that effort led to something, and --if so-- where i could find that something.G Aug 06 21:00:51 like https://github.com/phated/enyo-slides ? Aug 06 21:13:04 madnificent: something different than panels? http://enyojs.com/sampler/ Aug 06 21:13:14 (under layout) Aug 06 21:22:29 Tibfib_: yeah, it was more advanced, perhaps what summatusmentis said Aug 06 21:22:30 * madnificent checks Aug 06 21:23:17 oh, like an actual presentation with slides? Aug 06 21:23:21 that's interesting Aug 06 21:23:53 Tibfib_: yes! :D Aug 06 21:23:59 summatusmentis: 404 :( Aug 06 21:24:52 does work when i browse to it? :/ Aug 06 21:26:04 summatusmentis: do you know about any documentation on that? Aug 06 21:26:17 * madnificent kind-of dislikes node.js, yet still Aug 06 21:48:40 madnificent: not really, no, I just see it tweeted occasionally Aug 07 00:29:40 sword Aug 07 00:34:26 enyoslides :) Aug 07 01:30:01 when should I use enyo.WebService vs. enyo.JsonpRequest ? Aug 07 02:44:35 Laser Tag Aug 07 02:44:37 Is so fun. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 07 02:59:58 2012