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Sep 06 04:10:35 <barakisbrown> hello..what are you all using as an environment?? Eclipse??
Sep 06 04:29:56 <rrix> bye
Sep 06 04:30:03 <rrix> (I use vim)
Sep 06 04:30:16 <PatrickC> lol
Sep 06 04:30:26 * PatrickC will probably start using VIM once he figures out how to use it
Sep 06 04:31:20 <PatrickC> any good tutorials you konw of rrix?
Sep 06 04:31:20 <summatusmentis> I also use vim
Sep 06 04:31:49 <summatusmentis> try http://www.openvim.com/tutorial.html
Sep 06 04:32:02 <summatusmentis> I've never used it, but the interactive tutorial structure seems good
Sep 06 04:32:41 <PatrickC> thanks
Sep 06 04:32:47 <PatrickC> i LOVE using Nano
Sep 06 04:32:57 <rrix> run vimtutor
Sep 06 04:32:58 <PatrickC> but Nano has a lot of draw backs it seems
Sep 06 04:33:20 <rrix> And realize that you're not learning an editor, you're learning a language
Sep 06 04:33:45 <PatrickC> huh?
Sep 06 04:33:56 <PatrickC> learning a language and not an editor? :P
Sep 06 04:34:27 <rrix> yes
Sep 06 04:34:34 <summatusmentis> vim is... complex, but very powerful
Sep 06 04:34:51 <PatrickC> hmm...
Sep 06 04:34:54 <rrix> Vim editing commands are basically adjectives, verbs and nouns
Sep 06 04:34:56 <PatrickC> well, i guess it'll just take some getting used to
Sep 06 04:35:06 <rrix> d2d (delete two lines)
Sep 06 04:35:09 <PatrickC> but i already don't like using "lkjh" for navigating
Sep 06 04:35:13 <rrix> ct; change to ;
Sep 06 04:35:20 <rrix> etc
Sep 06 04:35:22 <summatusmentis> PatrickC: you will though
Sep 06 04:35:38 <rrix> learn how to combine those naturally and things get really nice.
Sep 06 04:35:52 <rrix> PatrickC: you'll come to find that having you hands on the homerow will be much to your benefit
Sep 06 04:35:55 * PatrickC likes using the arrow keys
Sep 06 04:35:59 <PatrickC> but hopefully that'll change
Sep 06 04:36:19 <rrix> It will when you realize how nice a real editor is :)
Sep 06 04:36:44 <PatrickC> haha
Sep 06 04:39:42 <PatrickC> oo, starting to find features i like :)
Sep 06 04:39:55 <PatrickC> 30i* esc
Sep 06 04:42:53 <summatusmentis> the other thing is, you have to use it, always, to get up the learning curve
Sep 06 04:43:29 <PatrickC> well, i'm SSH'd into an android buildbox a lot during the day, and right now just using nano to edit text files and stuff
Sep 06 04:43:36 <PatrickC> so a nice, powerful editor would be cool to have
Sep 06 04:43:50 <summatusmentis> it's certainly powerful
Sep 06 04:44:36 <PatrickC> how long did it take you before you got comfortable with it summatusmentis?
Sep 06 04:46:58 <summatusmentis> there are still parts of it that I'm not comfortable with completely
Sep 06 04:47:17 <summatusmentis> and I've been using it for... ~11 years
Sep 06 04:47:18 <PatrickC> until yesterday, after a google search, i had no clue how to even save a file...
Sep 06 04:47:19 * PatrickC fails
Sep 06 04:47:51 <summatusmentis> kk, bed
Sep 06 04:48:18 <PatrickC> night
Sep 06 04:48:22 <PatrickC> i'm about to head that way too
Sep 06 06:27:51 <ka6sox-away> sugardave, will a callback wait forever or can you make it time out?
Sep 06 06:28:21 <ka6sox-away> (or does JS even have the concept of time)
Sep 06 15:33:22 <sugardave> ka6sox-away: callback timeouts are probably dependent on the interpreter/environment.  For example, webOS would limit "long-running processes" to 60 seconds or something like that, so if your callback didn't run/finish by then, you could lose it
Sep 06 15:35:57 <sugardave> but, in general, if you NEED to kill off a potential callback after some arbitrary amount of time, you'd likely need to write your own manager/marshaller for handling your callbacks
Sep 06 15:45:29 <sugardave> hmm, this LESS stuff is pretty cool, I think
Sep 06 18:10:19 <summatusmentis> fxspec06: you around? did you ever come up with how to fix the window-resize causes render thing?
Sep 06 18:16:33 <fxspec06> yeah, i'm here
Sep 06 18:16:57 <summatusmentis> I'm still having that rendering issue
Sep 06 18:17:00 <summatusmentis> any suggestions?
Sep 06 18:18:20 <fxspec06> you could do this for a temp hack: find whatever does the last thing after load and put a 1000ms timeout, call render() and reflow() and see if it fixes
Sep 06 18:18:51 <fxspec06> and resized() just for the fun of it
Sep 06 18:19:21 <fxspec06> but still, that sounds bad. it is more likely a issue with your fitting code
Sep 06 18:19:57 <summatusmentis> :-/ ok
Sep 06 18:20:06 <summatusmentis> I'm gonna try one other thing
Sep 06 18:22:31 <fxspec06> or if you don't like the setTimeout thing you could put reflows() and renders() everywhere until it works, then take them out one by one =P
Sep 06 18:23:20 <fxspec06> you could also override render(){} in your main kinds and put reflow() in there, after all those something should work right
Sep 06 18:23:44 <summatusmentis> yeah, I'll keep playing
Sep 06 18:27:38 <fxspec06> wow. i've reduced this theme object to a single file that handles everything, plus a one line component in each themeable file plus two tiny functions per themeable file
Sep 06 18:27:45 * fxspec06 sobs
Sep 06 18:39:00 <sugardave> fxspec06: got that up un a repo somewhere?
Sep 06 18:39:25 <sugardave> (the theming solution)
Sep 06 18:40:04 <fxspec06> still IP, it's gonna be open sourced when Neo gets released
Sep 06 18:40:13 <sugardave> coolio
Sep 06 18:40:52 <fxspec06> it's got some bugs still. it's pretty neat, i think it should work for everything
Sep 06 18:41:36 <fxspec06> but there's two main files, one for customizing and the other themefile, and the customizer is not ready yet
Sep 06 18:42:27 <sugardave> I'm chewing on how I would design a good theming solution
Sep 06 18:45:43 <fxspec06> what i did is i have a themes[] block in each themeable file, in there i define themes. each theme definition has its name, styles, classes, and a {optional} "theme" object that contains special components if you want to replace the entire themeable object
Sep 06 18:46:01 <fxspec06> themes{} object, it's not an array*
Sep 06 18:47:11 <fxspec06> then in my themefile object, i define all themeable elements and their properties, and for each element i have a default theme, an array with a list of valid themes, the theme element styles, and an optional highlight styles block
Sep 06 18:48:25 <fxspec06> then i use signals to talk between the customizer and the theme file, and the themefile handles all the loading, saving, and changing
Sep 06 18:48:35 <fxspec06> it's kinda nuts
Sep 06 18:49:36 <sugardave> I'm of the "It works, I don't care" school of thought on most of these things
Sep 06 18:50:02 <sugardave> anything can be improved on after it's working :)
Sep 06 18:50:18 <fxspec06> well, somehow some way it sorta kinda works for the most part
Sep 06 18:50:46 <sugardave> "technically working" is the best kind of working
Sep 06 18:51:19 <fxspec06> having an issue with custom highlight right now. for some reason the highlights i declare work fine, but then the ones i load make the whole list highlight, no bueno
Sep 06 18:51:27 <fxspec06> but yes, technically it's all working ;)
Sep 06 18:54:21 <sugardave> are you rebuilding your list after applying the highlight style to make sure the items are getting the right class/attribute/whatever triggers your highlight logic?
Sep 06 18:55:45 <fxspec06> yeah
Sep 06 18:55:56 <sugardave> weird
Sep 06 18:56:17 <fxspec06> yeah. it works for like my presets, but not when i set it custom. o.O i'll find it
Sep 06 19:25:38 <PrplHaz4> I have a list that goes beyond the page height, and can scroll to the bottom, but when i let go, it scrolls back up - what could cause that behavior?
Sep 06 19:26:54 <fxspec06> the scroller doesn't have fit
Sep 06 19:27:12 <fxspec06> it's going beyond the page bounds, the bottom of the scroller is actually beyond the screen
Sep 06 19:27:32 <PrplHaz4> http://pastebin.com/TFym0JRw
Sep 06 19:27:44 <PrplHaz4> so just apply the enyo-fit style to it?
Sep 06 19:29:05 <fxspec06> if you apply fit: true, to your fittablerowslayout at the top, your list will fit fine, but pictureview fit will not work
Sep 06 19:29:10 <fxspec06> s/will/should*
Sep 06 19:29:43 <PrplHaz4> i was just going to say it seems like i have too many fits
Sep 06 19:30:01 <fxspec06> fit:true is inherited from enyo-fit > fittablerows/fittablerowslayout with fit:true
Sep 06 19:30:19 <fxspec06> if you don't pass fit:true down the heirarchy, it won't work
Sep 06 19:30:42 <fxspec06> i think i'm getting better at explaining that one. maybe
Sep 06 19:30:48 <PrplHaz4> so, each of those sub-components should have fit:true?
Sep 06 19:31:23 <fxspec06> yes until you need it, but like in this case you've got enyo-fit as a main class, so you'd only need to apply fit:true, to fittablerowslayout in order for it ot reach the list
Sep 06 19:32:05 <fxspec06> you also might need to make layoutkind for panels fittablerows, not sure if it's the default (probably is)
Sep 06 19:32:13 <PrplHaz4> ah, gotcha...let's try that
Sep 06 19:32:19 <PrplHaz4> ok, so, two things to try
Sep 06 19:33:04 <fxspec06> also, the enyo-fit on the pictureview will expand to fit the entire file. i don't think you want that. sugardave was explaining yesterday, enyo-fit sets left right top bottom to 0 and position absolute
Sep 06 19:38:06 <PrplHaz4> so, the goal is a fixed-width pane on the left, and to fit the right pane to the remainder of the screen
Sep 06 19:39:53 <PrplHaz4> and I want pictureview to contain the toolbar, and the storieslist
Sep 06 19:42:14 <PrplHaz4> so, i'm assuming fit:true should be on storieslist, since that's the piece i want taking up the available space
Sep 06 19:43:19 <PrplHaz4> (edited my pastebin to be a little cleaner)
Sep 06 19:48:10 <fxspec06> ah, i see.. so what you need then is to set a width to your layoutKind, and put a wrapper around your toolbar and list with classes enyo-fit
Sep 06 19:48:25 <fxspec06> then your list should fit
Sep 06 19:56:26 <PrplHaz4> haha..oh, you mean the most basic of basic stuff :-/
Sep 06 20:00:07 <fxspec06> lol ya
Sep 06 20:01:20 <summatusmentis> what's the mechanism for prepending createComponent?
Sep 06 20:03:56 <summatusmentis> oh, there it is
Sep 06 20:04:52 <PrplHaz4> is it ok to use another FittableRowsLayout as the wrapper for the toolbar and list?
Sep 06 20:05:42 <fxspec06> sure
Sep 06 20:11:28 <PrplHaz4> hmm...still not working...does it have anything to do with the fact that the list isn't populated till after the app is rendered?
Sep 06 20:13:02 <fxspec06> shouldn't
Sep 06 20:13:15 <fxspec06> there's samples that do what you want in the source
Sep 06 20:13:21 <fxspec06> you could take a look
Sep 06 20:16:56 <PrplHaz4> haha...that's where i got all this code (notice the crazy flickr-sample-* classes)
Sep 06 20:17:10 <PrplHaz4> i'll try to start from a clean sample now that my own kinds are semi-sorted
Sep 06 20:17:16 <PrplHaz4> will report back soon
Sep 06 20:40:37 <fxspec06> sugardave: i think i'm gonna use a repeater for this one
Sep 06 20:46:40 <fxspec06> yay, repeater works muy bien for this
Sep 06 20:49:29 <summatusmentis> is enyojs.com down?
Sep 06 20:49:35 <fxspec06> yep
Sep 06 20:55:07 <fxspec06> kinda stinks too, i just accidentally refreshed the page
Sep 06 21:10:25 <fxspec06> which folder is the docs in
Sep 06 21:12:03 <fxspec06> LOL. enyo.Select ==> select best framework reverts all to "Enyo"
Sep 06 23:57:47 <fxspec06> http://twitpic.com/artspv/full
Sep 07 01:37:18 <ka6sox> thanks sugardave
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