**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 12 02:59:59 2012 Sep 12 07:16:49 morning Sep 12 08:01:26 hi swisstomcat Sep 12 08:01:33 hey rrix Sep 12 08:01:48 rixx...alive? Sep 12 08:01:51 How goes things in the .du, assisting ? Sep 12 08:01:53 eu? Sep 12 08:02:33 ka6sox: mostly. Incredibly sleep deprived and incredibly deep in thoughts that I shouldn't be in. Sep 12 08:06:16 wow, I just realized how badly my keyboard bombed that Sep 12 08:06:38 The autocorrect on Bluetooth keyboards in 3.x is astoundingly bad Sep 12 08:09:18 swisstomcat: how goes things in the eu? Sep 12 08:16:05 pretty good Sep 12 08:16:14 planning/preparing various Enyo Bootcamps Sep 12 08:24:37 Awesome. :) Sep 12 08:25:02 I am currently working with some folks to plan a hackathon, following the energy that Blaine and I left #enyohack with. Sep 12 08:27:40 cool Sep 12 08:27:49 hackathons are fun Sep 12 08:29:42 They are. :-) Sep 12 08:30:02 swisstomcat: How do we get an Enyo bootcamp in PHX? :P Sep 12 08:33:17 create one :) Sep 12 08:34:49 Don't say that! I have enough on my plate ;) :P Sep 12 08:35:23 swisstomcat: Maybe after Dec1, we will host an EnyoJS event. Sep 12 09:18:42 amsterdam,lisbon,berlin,düsseldorf so far Sep 12 09:31:21 swisstomcat: if amsterdam would have been a real enyo event, not a bootcamp, we likely would have shown up. Sep 12 09:32:11 swisstomcat: that's from Belgium. just to show that there's more interest to what you're doing than what you notice at the moment (now, we'd only be able to show up for stealing tshirts and usbsticks from you guys) Sep 12 09:41:00 madnificent: is a bootcamp not a realy event? Sep 12 09:41:22 c/realy/real Sep 12 09:46:24 reconsider attending .. we'll have enough time in 4hours to answer any questions Sep 12 09:46:33 or hack on stuff you want a bit Sep 12 09:49:34 * madnificent would have preferred swisstomcat to stay a tad longer :/ Sep 12 09:51:01 for IRC logs: the issue is mostly that we don't have any immediate questions. enyo is good and easy to hack on. so the benefit of a bootcamp is limited Sep 12 12:10:25 hello :) Sep 12 13:42:45 weee http://www.webosnation.com/app-preview-neo-webos Sep 12 20:28:41 good morning all Sep 12 20:29:47 gm EricBlade Sep 12 20:29:54 hello EricBlade Sep 12 20:31:20 * madnificent is looking forward to reorderablelist Sep 12 20:31:40 meh. i could have used that like, 3 months ago. Sep 12 20:32:18 probably could have saved a ton of time. although in retrospect, i should have used repeaters for game on anyways. not that it matters with 8 total sales. Sep 12 20:32:20 it seems to be a popular request Sep 12 20:32:35 fxspec06: tough market te estimate Sep 12 20:32:41 but it looked good! Sep 12 20:32:54 lol well i made it for myself, but then i haven't even used it Sep 12 20:33:31 the one time i tried, it didn't work, and when it did work, the playstation wasn't working. and i haven't seen my cousin since Sep 12 21:14:32 anyone used bottomUp: true on a list? Sep 12 22:24:06 fxspec06: when you did your twitter stuff, how do you store large amounts of data? Sep 12 22:24:13 you're not doing it in-mem are you? Sep 12 23:32:54 in-mem? Sep 12 23:36:44 my question is really, when you have hundreds of tweets to deal with, where are you storing them? Sep 12 23:37:41 in mem Sep 12 23:38:03 how does that work? Sep 12 23:38:10 i store max what i set myself on the device, i think it's like 10 per 'column' Sep 12 23:38:19 in a file* Sep 12 23:38:24 what do you do with the rest? Sep 12 23:38:31 I didn't follow that Sep 12 23:38:38 i can choose how many i save on the device, but the rest stay in an array Sep 12 23:38:51 i should limit that array i guess Sep 12 23:39:12 so, wait, how big are your arrays? Sep 12 23:39:15 i could potentially save extras but localStorage has a limit, and it's vicious Sep 12 23:39:17 idk. Sep 12 23:39:27 enyo lists handles it well Sep 12 23:39:38 enyo lists still need backing data Sep 12 23:39:38 but depending on how many people you follow it could be very large Sep 12 23:39:42 which is my issue Sep 12 23:39:55 lists do things differently, though Sep 12 23:39:58 lists render on the fly Sep 12 23:40:15 ok, so wait. You hit twitter, and download a bunch of tweets for a timeline Sep 12 23:40:20 those get put in an array? Sep 12 23:40:33 and we're talking about thousands of them Sep 12 23:40:33 onsetuprow is called when you scroll, and depending on rowsperpage, all it does is swap the data with the array to the layout on the page Sep 12 23:40:42 yes Sep 12 23:40:47 generally Sep 12 23:40:54 if you leave it open potentially Sep 12 23:41:23 the touchpad has compressed swap Sep 12 23:41:33 so it acts as like a pagefile Sep 12 23:41:40 it doesn't really matter Sep 12 23:41:51 my app is choking on ~60 array entries (each of an array of up to 6 entries) Sep 12 23:41:53 unless you're hard pressed for space, you'll be fine Sep 12 23:41:58 on an iPhone Sep 12 23:42:11 it's probably what you do in your item then Sep 12 23:42:18 or onsetuprow Sep 12 23:42:38 but it's not the list exactly Sep 12 23:42:40 it shouldn't choke on an iphone. iphone's have great webkit Sep 12 23:42:41 it's like the whole app slows Sep 12 23:42:58 or really, my counter buttons slow way down Sep 12 23:43:09 how are you packaging for the iphone? Sep 12 23:43:20 not right now, loading from a webpage Sep 12 23:43:28 oh, i wouldn't recommend that Sep 12 23:43:35 it runs better from the app Sep 12 23:43:39 you think that's my issue? Sep 12 23:43:41 yeah Sep 12 23:43:49 that's sorta weird, right? Sep 12 23:43:52 definitely i would say Sep 12 23:44:02 I mean, an app is just a webview Sep 12 23:44:12 right, but safari has other things loaded at the same time Sep 12 23:44:31 safari is more than just a webview Sep 12 23:44:46 with a custom app you get rid of that Sep 12 23:44:48 I mean, I guess I know that... but Sep 12 23:44:59 maybe I'll package for android and see what I can figure out Sep 12 23:45:00 it's a big difference i think Sep 12 23:45:22 android you will see worse results than an ios app Sep 12 23:45:25 I've got my array in local storage, so that it's not sitting in memory Sep 12 23:45:39 well, I know, but hopefully better than an ios full-screen web-page Sep 12 23:45:41 i can't do that Sep 12 23:45:51 why? Sep 12 23:46:09 I've been thinking about going to phonegaps websql Sep 12 23:46:44 you only get 5mb to play with.. and neo uses a lot. if you have say 4 accounts, multiply 3 to 5 columns by 10 tweets by 4 accounts, that's 200 tweets to save, plus all a user's custom themes, plus each user's settings, and app settings.. you're close to 5mb cap Sep 12 23:47:04 websql? i had a solution for that in mojo, for the early wild'n. Sep 12 23:47:14 the bad thing is it is asyncronous, and it takes a while Sep 12 23:47:25 the good thing is the cap is larger i believe Sep 12 23:48:25 well, and it's definitely not in-mem Sep 13 02:26:57 fxspec06: I tried an on-device package for android Sep 13 02:27:12 and it slowed down earlier than loading from a web-page on the iPhone did **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Sep 13 03:00:00 2012