**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 28 02:59:58 2013 Feb 28 04:29:32 * phil_bw wanders by Feb 28 04:34:04 * HaDAk fires several shots across phil_bw's bow. Feb 28 04:35:25 * phil_bw ducks? Feb 28 04:36:03 * fxspec06_ breaks ZNC Feb 28 04:36:30 Znc? Feb 28 04:37:46 for IRC, some logging in forwarding thing so i stay connected Feb 28 04:37:55 because apparently i've been a bad boy =( Feb 28 04:38:02 Ah Feb 28 04:38:23 i had like 2 pages of connect/disconnect messages from fxspec06_ Feb 28 04:39:06 * fxspec06_ sigh i need a new router ultimately Feb 28 04:39:11 Definitely sounds like it broke then Feb 28 04:39:23 no, it's just getting interference from the phone when it rings. Feb 28 04:39:43 really need a new MODEM too.. Feb 28 04:39:47 I recommend the Buffalo N600 Feb 28 04:39:58 For router Feb 28 04:41:38 Solid signal strength and a plethora of features with the factory installed DD - WRT firmware Feb 28 04:42:21 i have a horrible bio test friday morning. Feb 28 04:42:23 =( Feb 28 04:42:40 phil_bw do you know anything about functional groups... Feb 28 04:43:09 Functional groups? Feb 28 04:43:16 lol, yeah, you're already lost Feb 28 04:43:29 Apparently.. Feb 28 04:44:03 in chemistry, there's 6 basic functional groups that basically charachterize or group together categories of organic molecules.... carbon chains... Feb 28 04:44:47 Go on, I may learn something Feb 28 04:44:52 lol ok Feb 28 04:46:58 basically you have a standard carbon chain.... ex methane CH4 -- one carbon molecule [carbon has valence of 4.. means it needs 4 electrons to fill outermost shell. bonds with practically anything] Feb 28 04:47:45 Barely making sense but continue. Feb 28 04:48:02 it must've been a while since you've had chem then :) Feb 28 04:48:52 I have a high school education from the smallest school district in the state of Alaska Feb 28 04:49:12 there's a head to the "hydrocarbon" chain, and there's a tail. because carbon is very reactive, it bonds with many things. Feb 28 04:49:48 high school was the last time I had chem too Feb 28 04:49:59 but I might be closer in time to it than you Feb 28 04:50:03 so a hyrocarbon chain, is, in essence, a carbon atom bound to hydrogen atoms in a chain link structure, with a hydrogen head Feb 28 04:51:33 these chains react with OTHER molecules that exist.... and form covalent bonds (co-valent .. valence == ability to receive electrons from other molecules... so covalent bond is the sharing of common electrons... IE a hydrogen (1 electron) sharing with carbonX4 , is stable) Feb 28 04:52:31 There's a small corner of my brain flickering lightly Feb 28 04:52:47 what happens when the hydrocarbon chain is created, and reacts with the environment (chemical bonding... ) .... certain molecule Feb 28 04:53:23 *** certain molecule arrangements are formed at the OTHER end of the chain, the tail end. special arrangements Feb 28 04:54:33 because carbon is the most reactant element on earth (valence == 4, can't go higher bc 8 electrons in outer shell) ... these bonds (hydrogen LOVES to bond w/ carbon, bc it's 1=valence... ) ONLY form with carbon molecules. Feb 28 04:55:07 * phil_bw sighs Feb 28 04:55:10 so basically you can either have A. a perfect hydrocarbon chain skeleton, front to tail, with all hydrogen atoms. but, because this world is not orderly, that doesn't happen Feb 28 04:55:26 so........ OTHER molecules form. ex: a -OH will bond with a hydrocarbon chain... Feb 28 04:55:26 Why did I ask you to go on... Feb 28 04:55:42 This is too much for me at 9pm Feb 28 04:55:43 and form a Hydroxyl group. Which is, Alcohol. This is how alcohol is formed Feb 28 04:56:20 from CH4 covalent bond .. ie: CH4--OH Feb 28 04:56:59 so, Hydroxyl group is one.... next is Carbonyl. formed by link of >C=O Feb 28 04:57:24 a carbon w/ a double bonded oxygen is carbonyl. forms like ketone and aldehyde Feb 28 04:57:28 Carboxyl group is -COOH Feb 28 04:57:36 Amino is -NH2 Feb 28 04:57:58 phosophate is --OPO3^(2-) Feb 28 04:58:04 and methyl is -CH3 Feb 28 04:58:07 I'm waiting for your question :) Feb 28 04:58:17 (I won't be able to answer it, but I'm curious) Feb 28 04:58:25 phil wanted me to explain the groups. there was no question lol Feb 28 04:58:39 23:42 < fxspec06_> phil_bw do you know anything about functional groups... Feb 28 04:58:44 sounded like there was a question Feb 28 04:58:59 Yeah I thought there was a question too... Feb 28 05:00:20 the arrangement of the "functional groups"... ie WHERE they are placed IN the carbon chain.... affects HOW the resulting molecule reacts with the rest of the world. so basically you could have the same # of protons (atomic number) but if the chain is bonded differently, the result is an isomer -- the atomic mass changes (# nutrons changes) ... and they can act COMPLETELY different (characteristics) Feb 28 05:00:39 so that's basically the freaking chapter. except, you need to know what the bonds are, where they go, what they form Feb 28 05:00:40 blah. Feb 28 05:01:37 Thanks for the explanation Feb 28 05:02:11 it's cool, because i actually understand the breakdown of molecules and electrons, and the bonding i also comprehend. but it's borderline beyond my capacity to remember Feb 28 05:02:30 I feel I learned something despite my brain being almost asleep Feb 28 05:02:43 i feel like i actually explained that well. Feb 28 05:03:02 Well then say the best way to learn is to teach Feb 28 05:03:40 They* Feb 28 05:04:15 or at least you can measure how well you've learned it by how well you can explain it to other people Feb 28 05:04:40 this is true Feb 28 05:04:47 true test of knowledge Feb 28 05:05:38 If you ever want to learn Enyo MVC while you're half asleep just talk to me Feb 28 05:05:43 the tests are curveballs though, they test your ability to take tests just as much as the actual material. so to beat i have to BEAT the "test-taking" part of the test, and then recall the material. this test is ~60Q's.. mult choice..... colour me anxious/nervous/scared Feb 28 05:06:06 I can flood you with models, views, and controllers Feb 28 05:06:07 lol! yeah, this is a really good enyo conversation Feb 28 05:07:17 oh god, then i gotta read about lipids, and protiens, and phospholipids, and carbohydrates, Feb 28 05:07:27 fxspec06_: so, 60 questions, assuming 4 options each Feb 28 05:07:44 5 Feb 28 05:07:47 oh Feb 28 05:07:57 you should average 20% assuming random answers Feb 28 05:08:08 presumably you can ignore some of the options Feb 28 05:08:20 i need an A in the class. Feb 28 05:08:20 let's say that gets you 2 options for each question Feb 28 05:08:25 NEEEEEEEEEED. Feb 28 05:08:50 i seriously % my certainty next to each answer on MC tests Feb 28 05:08:52 your chances get better Feb 28 05:09:10 MC? Feb 28 05:09:12 last time, i screwed that up though, i missed a couple ones i shoulda got. 83 result =\ Feb 28 05:09:17 MC == multiple choice Feb 28 05:09:22 oh oh Feb 28 05:09:26 83 is not a bad score Feb 28 05:09:41 and frankly, grades are not the important part (despite what people tell you) Feb 28 05:09:45 but, goodnews: i can make up to an 89 w/ "makeup work" that he gives us.. Feb 28 05:10:34 summatusmentis: normally i'd agree.. but i have 4.0 through 13 courses at a 2yr school, and there is a scholarship with my name on it to transfer to UMASS Boston if i graduate perfect Feb 28 05:10:47 it makes sense to give everything now. Feb 28 05:11:03 early on, if i'd have got a B, it wouldn't been a big deal.. but now there's money involved Feb 28 05:12:45 fxspec06_: absolutely, I don't mean to downplay all grades Feb 28 05:12:51 they certainly open some doors Feb 28 05:14:40 I really need to sleep. You guys have a good night. Good luck in your studies. Feb 28 05:14:51 later phil_bw Feb 28 05:14:59 i was hoping you were maybe a BIO major.. lol **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 28 12:27:15 2013 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 01 02:59:58 2013