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Apr 28 03:27:07 * DougReeder waves hello
Apr 28 07:19:58 <kesne> Anybody here?
Apr 28 07:31:33 <GodGinrai> I am
Apr 28 07:31:46 <GodGinrai> and 28 other idlers
Apr 28 07:37:44 <dimk> hey
Apr 28 08:29:29 <kesne> Welp
Apr 28 08:29:33 <kesne> This should be neat
Apr 28 08:29:41 <kesne> enyo-depends install enyojs/layout
Apr 28 08:29:44 <kesne> How handy
Apr 28 08:41:52 <Grayb0x> hello
Apr 28 08:52:43 <kesne> Hey grayb0x
Apr 28 08:53:24 <Grayb0x> hello, sorry typed in the wrong window trying to get my new nix gui environment up and running
Apr 28 08:53:40 <kesne> No worries!
Apr 28 15:54:02 <Cheefrocker> hi all
Apr 28 16:31:12 <ka6sox> hi you :)
Apr 28 16:32:28 <Cheefrocker> i'm playing with enyo on blackberry 10
Apr 28 16:33:03 <Cheefrocker> working in most case nice
Apr 28 16:33:35 <Cheefrocker> but i find the basic things like swtich from 1 view to another and back a little bit difficult.
Apr 28 16:37:41 <Cheefrocker> are there some good examples for this out?
Apr 28 17:40:42 <dimk> hey
Apr 28 19:28:09 <madnificent> Cheefrocker: what is the problem with the switching?  i doubt that that is specific to BB10, right?
Apr 28 19:29:58 <Cheefrocker> hi madnificent. I think it is not a bb10 problem.
Apr 28 19:30:44 <Cheefrocker> its my knowledge about this framework.
Apr 28 19:32:42 <Cheefrocker> in my usecase i want do following: make a selectable list with items. if i select one item a new panel with maybe many switchable panels must open. the user can go back to the list if he wants..
Apr 28 19:33:56 <Cheefrocker> at the moment i destroy one view and create the new one. but the panels must iteracte with each other(some information) must move from one page to another
Apr 28 19:44:50 <kesne> Yay I made something cool.
Apr 28 19:49:19 <kesne> Roy__: You around?
Apr 28 19:49:23 <kesne> I want to show it to somebody.
Apr 28 19:52:58 <dimk> show it to me then
Apr 28 19:53:13 <kesne> dimk: Do you use enyo a lot?
Apr 28 19:53:40 <dimk> nope . I used to use but I switched to another framework. Have to say that feelings are mixed
Apr 28 19:54:00 <kesne> Aww, well then never mind :P
Apr 28 19:54:06 <dimk> haha ok :P
Apr 28 19:54:14 <kesne> What framework did you switch to?
Apr 28 19:54:19 <dimk> congrats nevertheless
Apr 28 19:54:30 <dimk> jquery mobile with backbone.js and require.js
Apr 28 19:54:52 <kesne> That's a pretty solid stack. I'm not a huge fan of query mobile, but that's just me.
Apr 28 19:55:26 <Cheefrocker> test many framework = jquery mobile is lacking
Apr 28 19:55:44 <dimk> still I prefer enyo's UI in most cases. Can't say that I am exited of jqm
Apr 28 19:55:47 <Cheefrocker> simple things work, but if you start dive in it suck
Apr 28 19:56:04 <dimk> yes it is true
Apr 28 19:56:16 <Cheefrocker> i test jquerymobile with angularjs
Apr 28 19:56:22 <kesne> Angular is sex.
Apr 28 19:56:24 <kesne> Straight up
Apr 28 19:56:33 <Roy__> I'm around.
Apr 28 19:56:39 <dimk> i was considering to experiment with angular the same way
Apr 28 19:56:57 <kesne> Roy__: I wrote that cli that I wanted.
Apr 28 19:57:13 <dimk> how do you think ? I ve been to few conferences recently and everyone I talked with likes it.
Apr 28 19:57:27 <Cheefrocker> angularjs great for desktop , mobile on android dont work(or buggy)
Apr 28 19:58:42 <Roy__> OK
Apr 28 19:58:45 <dimk> Thanks for the feedback.. Good to know. Most of my feedback so far comes from Rubyists and they use it for desktop .
Apr 28 19:58:54 <kesne> Roy__: It pulls a file named enyo.json that can declare its own dependencies. It installs those, automatically adds it to your own app's enyo.json file, and whenever you install a lib it auto adds it to your package.js.
Apr 28 19:59:04 <kesne> And better yet, it works with anyo repo on github
Apr 28 19:59:26 <dimk> wow . thats kneat kesne. congrats
Apr 28 19:59:49 <kesne> dimk: Thanks! I just wanted it to be more like npm, heh.
Apr 28 19:59:50 <Roy__> Why not work with the existing enyo npm module to add new functionality?
Apr 28 20:00:05 <kesne> It used bower to install everything, way too much overhead.
Apr 28 20:00:34 <kesne> I'll look into adding it into the other one eventually.
Apr 28 20:00:45 <kesne> But for now, I wanted it separate so I could focus on making it work.
Apr 28 20:00:54 <Roy__> makes enough sense.
Apr 28 20:01:20 <kesne> You can also define what version of enyo you need for libraries and it'll warn you when installing if you don't have that version.
Apr 28 20:10:54 <kesne> Roy__: Any chance you guys will include enyo.json in your first-party libs? ;)
Apr 28 20:13:04 <Roy__> Um.
Apr 28 20:13:44 <Roy__> Having never seen it I couldn't say.
Apr 28 20:14:01 <kesne> Aww man.
Apr 28 20:14:02 <kesne> Okay
Apr 28 20:26:49 <kesne> Roy__: It looks like this:
Apr 28 20:26:49 <kesne> https://github.com/presenter/enyo-editor/blob/master/enyo.json
Apr 28 21:06:51 <kesne> Woop woop
Apr 28 21:06:52 <kesne> https://github.com/presenter/enyo-depends
Apr 28 21:07:03 <kesne> Now I just need to get it to add the lib to package.js and we're set!
Apr 28 22:02:34 <madnificent> kesne: looks cool.  thoug i don't like that it depends on nodejs
Apr 28 22:03:01 <kesne> madnificent: Eh, I'm a JS developer, it's what I use :P
Apr 28 22:03:53 <madnificent> also, if you want to keep things clean, and you're using git, you may want to add the repository as a submodule too.  that's how we kept it tidy here.
Apr 28 22:04:20 <kesne> What do you mean?
Apr 28 22:04:34 <madnificent> git submodules, that sort of thing
Apr 28 22:04:45 <kesne> Yeah but how would I use them?
Apr 28 22:05:31 <madnificent> i'm assuming that most of the projects you're building have their own git repository... not sure what more i should add...
Apr 28 22:06:38 <madnificent> adding the module you need as a submodule to that project makes sure that when you fetch it on a remote system, the source of the imported libraries gets fetched too
Apr 28 22:07:03 <madnificent> (and more importantly, that you don't get crazy commits with 5000 loc which aren't yours)
Apr 28 22:07:18 <kesne> Oh yeah
Apr 28 22:07:19 <kesne> Okay
Apr 28 22:07:28 <kesne> Sorry I didn't understand.
Apr 28 22:07:55 <kesne> The actual stuff I'm doing uses a lot of submodules.
Apr 28 22:07:56 <madnificent> no problem :)
Apr 28 22:08:37 * madnificent wrote git automation in lisp because of it.  but that won't be released.
Apr 28 22:09:50 <kesne> Heh, nice.
Apr 28 22:12:06 <madnificent> anyway, i'm looking forward to any progress on the project :D
Apr 28 22:12:51 <kesne> It should be interesting. I use it in my own project that's going to be released soon, figured I'd make it public
Apr 28 22:13:09 <kesne> same with the enyo-editor in the same github account.
Apr 29 01:09:15 <kesne> Woop woop custom branches!
Apr 29 01:22:33 <GodGinrai> hey, is anyone there
Apr 29 01:22:34 <GodGinrai> ?
Apr 29 01:34:35 <summatusmentis> sorta
Apr 29 01:35:26 <GodGinrai> I'm trying to decide on a license before I put stuff up on github
Apr 29 01:35:39 <GodGinrai> It's just going to be a library of widgets to use in enyo
Apr 29 01:35:58 <kesne> GodGinrai: MIT is always good.
Apr 29 01:36:05 <summatusmentis> yeh, I like MIT or BSD
Apr 29 01:36:09 <GodGinrai> I'm considering that
Apr 29 01:36:33 <GodGinrai> just wanted to get the opinion of others
Apr 29 01:36:43 <summatusmentis> I tend to think GPL is too heavy-handed
Apr 29 01:36:53 <kesne> If MIT is too permissive, you could follow Enyo's lead with Apache 2
Apr 29 01:37:20 <summatusmentis> and is more about a deeper ethical belief that all software and knowledge should be available to everyone
Apr 29 01:38:11 <GodGinrai> yea, I wasn't really sure what the difference in wording actually granted between the two
Apr 29 01:38:15 <GodGinrai> apache and MIT
Apr 29 01:38:29 <summatusmentis> I'm not super familiar with the specifics
Apr 29 01:40:06 <kesne> GodGinrai: If I recall correctly, when redistributing Apache code you need to give credit to the original creators and maintain the same license. MIT is basically "Do whatever you want just keep the license agreement"
Apr 29 01:40:49 <GodGinrai> I thought you still had to credit the original creators w/ the MIT one
Apr 29 01:41:31 <kesne> You just have to keep the MIT License agreement there.
Apr 29 01:41:37 <kesne> Which includes the copyright notice.
Apr 29 01:42:36 <kesne> Okay I just read a little
Apr 29 01:43:25 <kesne> With Apache you have to include the license, the copyright notice, and you're supposed to state the changes you made. With MIT, you only have to include the license. You also can't use the contributors names, logos, or trademarks with the Apache 2.0 License.
Apr 29 01:44:15 <kesne> Actually, with MIT, you have to include the copyright, not the license. Sorry.
Apr 29 01:47:03 <GodGinrai> hrm
Apr 29 02:04:45 <madnificent> GodGinrai: no, that's 3 clause BSD vs 2 clause BSD
Apr 29 02:05:00 <madnificent> GodGinrai: 2 clause BSD is the same as MIT
Apr 29 02:05:03 <GodGinrai> ah
Apr 29 02:05:36 <madnificent> Godginrai: i needed the container property again, thanks for telling me about it! :D
Apr 29 02:08:37 <GodGinrai> yw madnificent :D
Apr 29 02:22:29 <kesne> GodGinrai: What enyo components are you publishing?
Apr 29 02:23:10 <GodGinrai> I made a multi-select similar to the one from Chosen
Apr 29 02:23:14 <kesne> Oh neat.
Apr 29 02:23:29 <GodGinrai> I plan to flesh it out, as well as add more components to this "package"
Apr 29 02:23:35 <GodGinrai> but that's the starting point
Apr 29 02:23:51 <kesne> You should add an enyo.json file, even though it's for a node tool, he
Apr 29 02:23:53 <kesne> *heh
Apr 29 02:24:29 <GodGinrai> I'll consider that eventually :P
Apr 29 02:24:39 <GodGinrai> initial push is going to be just the code and a license
Apr 29 02:24:46 <kesne> You should, it's a cool tool, if you're okay with Node.
Apr 29 02:24:59 <GodGinrai> btw, would I put the license I use in a LICENSE file, or in comments in the source?
Apr 29 02:25:09 <kesne> file is the way to go.
Apr 29 02:25:58 <GodGinrai> k
Apr 29 02:26:23 <kesne> And it also wouldn't hurt to link to it in the readme.
Apr 29 02:27:09 <GodGinrai> k
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