**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 03 02:59:58 2013 Jun 03 14:56:15 hey sugardave Jun 03 15:50:48 duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuudes (and dudettes) ... Jun 03 15:50:56 * fxspec06_ says "i'm baaack" Jun 03 17:07:20 wb fxspec06. this is the first time I've seen you speak in months Jun 03 17:11:02 ikr? thx Jun 03 17:11:12 what's up dude? Jun 03 17:11:30 gotta re-do my resume Jun 03 17:11:33 update Jun 03 17:11:41 need to find a job Jun 03 17:13:52 jobs are for people who can't see beyond their roll as a cog in the capitalistic machine Jun 03 17:13:55 >_> Jun 03 17:17:01 lol Jun 03 17:17:26 jobs are for people who need a place to live at the end of this month Jun 03 17:17:35 ^ Jun 03 17:18:15 hey dkirker Jun 03 17:19:43 although i prefer your point of view Jun 03 17:25:37 hey fxspec06, what put you in this situation? Your old job let you go? Jun 03 17:25:51 i never really had a job before.. i was living at home Jun 03 17:26:17 now i live on my own, so i need more money Jun 03 17:26:24 ah Jun 03 17:36:15 gdmit, i can't connect the crossfire cable or windows freezes on boot! >.< Jun 03 17:37:01 crossfire? o_ô Jun 03 17:40:55 ya, that thing where you have two graphics cards and they work together flawlessly Jun 03 17:42:33 btw, sugardave, do you think we can push for converting excess style code to classes in the Enyo code? I've seen multiple places where one would want a function exactly as is, but have to override it with almost the exact same code because the code expli Jun 03 17:42:33 citly set style rules instead of using a class Jun 03 17:43:20 fxspec06: you mean SLI? Jun 03 17:43:52 GodGinrai: yeah, but for AMD Jun 03 17:44:11 ok Jun 03 17:44:32 Did you update your graphics drivers before trying to use the cable? Jun 03 17:46:16 yeah, but that's part of the problem.. windows freaks out whenever i update or install the drivers because it has to uninstall 2 drivers and then install 2 drivers, and it happens so fast that if you don't do it a certain way it borks the install and after you reboot the gfx drivers won't allow windows to load properly Jun 03 17:46:35 i hate these AMD driver packages Jun 03 17:47:05 yea, nVidia just makes you install one set of drivers Jun 03 17:47:30 each card needs its own driver though Jun 03 17:47:59 ^ not the case on my computer, afaik Jun 03 17:56:56 GodGinrai: you could make some pull requests or bring it up for discussion on the mailing list and see what happens Jun 03 17:57:36 by the mailing list, do you mean the Google Group? Jun 03 18:00:23 yeah Jun 03 18:31:20 Well, for making Panels use an active class, I will make a pull request for that one soon Jun 03 18:31:38 as for the overall issue of classes, I'll probably just bring it up Jun 03 19:33:01 hey HaDAk, how's your site coming? Jun 03 19:33:21 been too swamped to work on it more. kinda stuck with a css/javascript issue. Jun 03 19:35:27 if you know how to dynamically vertically center a div that you don't know the height of, even with the page resizes, and scale the div to a percentage of the parent div if it exceeds the max-height or max-width…i'm all ears Jun 03 19:49:29 well, the vertically center thing is simple Jun 03 19:51:01 As for the scaling. you probably just need to check the height of the image/div when it renders. If it is greater than the height of the parent div, then just add a class to the image/div that tells it to have a % height Jun 03 19:55:39 for the vertical centering, HaDAk, just use flexboxes, like I suggested before. Jun 03 19:55:54 right. Jun 03 19:56:01 i didn't convert it to enyo. >.> Jun 03 19:56:07 i haven't touched it in a few days. been too busy. Jun 03 19:56:21 flexboxes aren't an Enyo thing Jun 03 19:56:35 oi. Jun 03 19:56:38 * HaDAk fails Jun 03 19:56:53 Although converting to Enyo would likely make a lot of this stuff simpler Jun 03 19:56:59 no doubt. Jun 03 19:57:03 especially the logic for that scaling Jun 03 19:57:08 yeah Jun 03 19:57:16 i should look into doing that Jun 03 20:13:03 lol you should see the logic i use to scale wild'n video poker Jun 03 20:13:19 if you feel like a good migraine Jun 03 20:13:28 lol Jun 03 20:14:36 logic is the worst Jun 03 20:15:03 ^ o_ô Jun 03 20:15:36 the DOM should just know what I want, so I don't have to tell it Jun 03 20:15:37 Development is the application of logic. You may be in the wrong field. :P Jun 03 20:16:01 i have one formula that took me about a week to come up with, and in just about every JS file (myb 6-12) uses it or a derivative of it to scale left, right, up, down, and center horizontally to a very-hard-to-find point IF the aspect ratio is too wide.. Jun 03 20:16:08 development is archaic Jun 03 20:16:28 really my issue is that the things that are "human" aren't expressive in coding Jun 03 20:16:35 so you get bogged down in pixel heights and stuff Jun 03 20:16:36 DOM gets angry with me, yells worse than my mother Jun 03 20:16:37 ugh Jun 03 20:18:52 lol, you're too idealistic Jun 03 20:19:16 I prefer the term "visionary" Jun 03 20:19:17 :-P Jun 03 20:19:30 as for fxspec06, why didn't you just use CSS @media rules? Jun 03 20:19:35 programming should be unnecessary. programs should program themselves Jun 03 20:19:54 I find development fun Jun 03 20:20:52 (not that I find all aspects of it fun. Screw OpenGL) Jun 03 20:20:55 GodGinrai: because i wanted to do it in code, to gain skill Jun 03 20:21:45 lol, then you can't really complain about it. :P Jun 03 20:23:17 oh yeah i know, but just sayin a true dynamic scaler is incorporated throughout the whole program... that was all 2D but i wanna go 3D O.O Jun 03 20:31:14 development is fun, but at least for me, the fun parts are the final product, and making cool things, not the details Jun 03 20:35:26 That's what every consumer says, tho' summatusmentis Jun 03 20:36:11 That same reasoning is why I haven't started working to build the MMORPG of my dreams, as well :P Jun 03 20:36:48 But the fact of the matter is, a lot of what is done IS because people found it fun to do Jun 03 20:36:56 I mean, fine Jun 03 20:37:31 but there are ways for the computer to provide more affordances to make me sweat the details less. Sure, build in the control if I want it, but don't make me worry about it if I don't Jun 03 20:38:09 yea, and that's what different languages, CSS, etc. are for Jun 03 20:38:22 enyo does a pretty good job of it Jun 03 20:38:28 yep Jun 03 20:38:44 Enyo makes things very easy Jun 03 20:38:46 I should be better at CSS, that'd probably make what I want easier Jun 03 20:39:41 yea, CSS is extremely important. Enyo can abstract a lot of this stuff out for us, but knowing CSS makes things that much easier and cleaner Jun 03 20:45:57 I know basics of CSS Jun 03 20:46:09 but it seems like there's a lot of power that I've never learned Jun 03 20:46:24 yea, CSS gets pretty deep Jun 03 20:46:44 without CSS, my enyo would suck Jun 03 20:47:03 the two go hand in hand, i don't think you can Enyo without CSS Jun 03 20:47:25 I do just fine :) Jun 03 20:47:35 oh jeez Jun 03 20:47:51 always one to break the rules Jun 03 20:52:04 lol Jun 03 20:52:31 fxspec06: you can do Enyo w/o CSS, but it's kind of like doing HTML w/o CSS Jun 03 21:00:16 except there's already styling that looks reasonable Jun 03 21:00:57 yes, if you want a stock site Jun 03 21:01:07 but if you want something polished Jun 03 21:01:13 that's where CSS comes in Jun 03 21:11:51 leaving work you guys Jun 03 21:11:55 tah Jun 03 21:11:55 bbl Jun 03 22:28:31 hello, had a quick question: anyone know when the MV* update for Enyo is supposed to go out? Jun 03 22:28:43 2.3 Jun 03 22:29:05 approximate date for when 2.3 will be released? Jun 03 22:29:22 No idea Jun 03 22:29:56 only thing I ever heard was end of may, and that didn't happen. So my guess is "soon, but not quite locked in" Jun 03 22:31:45 I'm interested in starting with Enyo, but really wanna wait until that MV* update is officially released Jun 03 22:32:07 starting learning? or starting a project? Jun 03 22:32:42 starting a project, I guess I should say starting again with Enyo Jun 03 22:34:04 well, for the mean time Jun 03 22:34:16 you could just grab the latest source and start experimenting w/ it Jun 03 22:36:47 I was thinking about that but have no idea how close the latest source will be to final release Jun 03 22:40:07 sugardave could give you a better idea Jun 03 22:40:08 but Jun 03 22:40:13 if you look here: https://enyojs.atlassian.net/secure/RapidBoard.jspa?rapidView=3 Jun 03 22:40:57 there doesn't seem anything left in their 2.3 log that looks like it will greatly change anything Jun 03 22:41:00 mostly bugfixes Jun 03 22:41:21 bob___: as far as I know, it's pretty close. There is some tweaking going on with event propagation and scoping when using autobindings in extended kinds, etc. Jun 03 22:42:27 Lack of documentation will likely make you stumble more than any differences between the current latest and the official 2.3 release Jun 03 22:43:02 but for that, if you have patience, you can ask here, and someone should eventually answer ;) Jun 03 22:46:28 cool, I'll take a look at it then Jun 03 22:49:36 thanks! Jun 03 23:14:56 ugh, pretty close :-/ Jun 03 23:16:52 that's better than very far Jun 03 23:20:51 not if I don't want to have to learn it yet Jun 03 23:20:56 can I bug you for a bit sugardave ? Jun 03 23:21:16 you don't have to learn MVC, it's 100% optional Jun 03 23:21:30 I know, but I should, it'll make my life better, probably Jun 03 23:21:31 summatusmentis: you can try :) it's getting dangerously close to dinner time Jun 03 23:22:01 http://jsfiddle.net/nAA7n/1/ why does the Tree collapse when you click on the child? Jun 03 23:26:09 summatusmentis Jun 03 23:26:17 onlyIconExpands: false Jun 03 23:26:18 Optional flag that, when true, causes the Node to expand only when the icon is tapped; not when the contents are tapped Jun 03 23:26:27 use the API man :P Jun 03 23:26:33 makes your life so much easier Jun 03 23:26:51 that's a published property of enyo.Node Jun 03 23:27:03 except that a non-specialized child doesn't cause it to collapse Jun 03 23:27:57 that's because a non-specialized child is an enyo.Node Jun 03 23:28:24 which has special code to prevent that propagation, otherwise enyo.Node wouldn't work Jun 03 23:28:26 even if it's declared as a different Kind? Jun 03 23:28:39 you said "non-specialized" Jun 03 23:28:48 I took that to mean you didn't declare a kind Jun 03 23:29:04 oh, sorry, I misread, you're right Jun 03 23:37:57 sorry, had to be sous chef…all settled? Jun 03 23:48:01 I think so? Jun 03 23:52:38 I'm playing with a different way of building out my form thing Jun 03 23:57:17 lol yea Jun 03 23:57:21 I could tell from the example Jun 04 00:00:01 presumably you can't put a List as a Node Jun 04 00:00:23 that seems to break pretty hard Jun 04 00:03:07 lol Jun 04 00:06:08 oh wait, setup Jun 04 00:09:19 idling for a while. Going to grab dinner Jun 04 00:13:54 oh, lists work fine Jun 04 01:03:33 back **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 04 02:59:59 2013