**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 26 02:59:59 2013 Oct 26 19:39:41 anyone around? Oct 26 21:52:06 how do I get the height of a Kind after create()? All I'm getting is 0, and I've tried both getBounds, enyo.dom.getBounds, and offsetHeight **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Oct 27 02:59:58 2013