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Aug 14 06:48:02 <pjetr> morning, you late-nighters
Aug 14 06:52:35 <Zectbumo> morning
Aug 14 07:00:35 <pjetr> what's up Zectbumo?
Aug 14 07:01:20 <Zectbumo> just thinking about privacy stuff. are you still doing your over seas server stuff?
Aug 14 07:05:20 <pjetr> not as much as I wanted :)
Aug 14 07:05:40 <pjetr> I'm currently renting a server from austria
Aug 14 07:06:47 <Zectbumo> I was thinking about it earlier. Give up or fight back...
Aug 14 07:19:29 <pjetr> :)
Aug 14 07:19:54 <pjetr> I used to rent one from an icelandic company, and it was a romanian server.
Aug 14 07:20:34 <pjetr> Both countries are better at preserving privacy than Austria, but Austria is still better than US / UK / …
Aug 14 07:21:54 <Zectbumo> this is what I was reading the other day
Aug 14 07:21:55 <Zectbumo> http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/your-cloud-drive-really-private-not-according-fine-print-f1C8881731
Aug 14 07:26:42 <pjetr> ah, but I do use owncloud for storage + contacts + calendar :)
Aug 14 07:26:58 <pjetr> and that's a breeze to set up
Aug 14 07:27:32 <pjetr> But by now I should have had an own e-mail server installed, and have moved away from google some more
Aug 14 07:27:59 <pjetr> instead I'm still on a gmail, ad now even have a non modded nexus
Aug 14 07:28:08 <pjetr> soooooo, it's the other direction
Aug 14 07:28:10 <pjetr> :)
Aug 14 07:28:11 <Zectbumo> I've tried to move away from google 100%. I find I miss maps
Aug 14 07:29:03 <pjetr> yeah, maps is a difficult one :)
Aug 14 07:29:18 <Zectbumo> I'm away from google with personal email, contacts, and calendar. but I can't kill maps. there is no decent competitor
Aug 14 07:29:42 <pjetr> well, it depends on what you use it for :)
Aug 14 07:30:05 <Zectbumo> looking up business locations, phone numbers, and hours. sometimes website
Aug 14 07:30:16 <Zectbumo> I used others and they have outdated information
Aug 14 07:30:16 <pjetr> but I'm not sure that the good competitors are any better at data retention :)
Aug 14 07:30:47 <Zectbumo> google fails me sometimes, but it's rare. the others failed more times than not
Aug 14 07:31:03 <Zectbumo> I think I tried bing maps and some open something maps
Aug 14 07:31:30 <Zectbumo> maybe apple maps
Aug 14 07:31:55 <Zectbumo> but that requires an ios device
Aug 14 07:35:37 <Zectbumo> well, time for sleep. gnight pjetr
Aug 14 07:35:48 <pjetr> gnight Zectbumo
Aug 14 07:36:01 <pjetr> I think the only real open alternative
Aug 14 07:36:05 <pjetr> is open streetmaps
Aug 14 07:36:22 <pjetr> but even then, you'll miss information + streetview
Aug 14 07:37:04 <pjetr> it's what makes people use google, and not care about their privacy
Aug 14 07:37:24 <pjetr> there's no other decent alternative to the complete google solution
Aug 14 07:37:49 <Zectbumo> and that's how they like it
Aug 14 12:57:38 <Simpson_2> hi all
Aug 14 12:58:25 <GodGinrai> morning
Aug 14 13:22:56 <pjetr> morning
Aug 14 14:12:06 <Roy__> Morning
Aug 14 14:27:21 <Simpson_2> more and more people showing up here it seems
Aug 14 14:28:22 <pjetr> I just think more people are speking up
Aug 14 14:28:29 <pjetr> +a
Aug 14 14:28:56 <GodGinrai> Simpson_2: This week is actually really quiet compared to last week
Aug 14 14:29:04 <GodGinrai> you should have been here last week :P
Aug 14 14:45:00 <Simpson_2> I've enjoyed my holiday thank you ;)
Aug 14 17:04:42 <Simpson_2> dmanderson, around ?
Aug 14 17:19:12 <Zectbumo> He usually is
Aug 14 17:45:27 <GodGinrai> so, Zectbumo, tried anything else in Enyo yet?
Aug 14 17:45:54 <Zectbumo> I tried to do some canvas but then stopped when I found it was in a separate package
Aug 14 17:46:07 <GodGinrai> ah
Aug 14 17:46:34 <GodGinrai> yea, the enyo canvas stuff is just a couple of kinds so far
Aug 14 17:47:10 <GodGinrai> have you started using bindings yet?
Aug 14 17:51:59 <Zectbumo> yes, I used bindings in my BarChart app
Aug 14 17:52:14 <Zectbumo> I bound a value to the bar label
Aug 14 17:53:20 <GodGinrai> oh indeed you did
Aug 14 17:53:25 <GodGinrai> lol I had forgotten
Aug 14 17:54:52 <Zectbumo> It's interesting how a simple app can use so much of the framework. All I need now is some DataModel binding to store bars with.
Aug 14 17:55:45 <GodGinrai> yup
Aug 14 17:57:21 <Zectbumo> A good learning app
Aug 14 17:58:05 <GodGinrai> indeed
Aug 14 17:58:26 <Zectbumo> Nice thing is that I feel comfortable in Enyo now.
Aug 14 17:58:48 * sugardave chants "One of us.  One of us."
Aug 14 17:58:53 <GodGinrai> yea, once you've done something sufficiently complex in Enyo, the whole framework just clicks
Aug 14 17:58:58 * Zectbumo awaits his next project
Aug 14 18:00:26 <GodGinrai> sugardave: getting my WebOS TV today :D
Aug 14 18:00:43 <Zectbumo> GodGinrai: congratz!
Aug 14 18:00:53 <GodGinrai> Zectbumo: ty
Aug 14 18:00:55 <Zectbumo> 47"?
Aug 14 18:00:58 <GodGinrai> yup
Aug 14 18:01:08 <Zectbumo> nice
Aug 14 18:01:24 <Zectbumo> are you going to be able to program for it?
Aug 14 18:01:42 <GodGinrai> I don't know the process for becoming a dev for the new webos
Aug 14 18:01:50 <GodGinrai> but I'd like to make some Enyo apps for it
Aug 14 18:14:42 <Herrie> You guys are always welcome to help us out with LuneOS (Open webOS) to make some EnyoJS apps :P ;)
Aug 14 18:15:49 <Herrie> WE still need a messaging app :P
Aug 14 18:17:29 <sugardave> GodGinrai: cool
Aug 14 18:17:42 <sugardave> I don't even have a working one....yet
Aug 14 18:18:03 <GodGinrai> lol really?
Aug 14 18:18:23 <sugardave> yes, it is a long tale of sadness and woe
Aug 14 18:18:49 <GodGinrai> sugardave: you can skip the history of webos ;)
Aug 14 18:19:01 <sugardave> well, I mean for deving on...I do have a board that boots webOS atm
Aug 14 18:19:14 <sugardave> GodGinrai: lol, I wish I could! :D
Aug 14 18:20:03 <GodGinrai> is there a way to enable dev mode like we used to on the phones?
Aug 14 18:20:42 <sugardave> I'm not sure what I can talk about wrt developer mode.  It's....interesting
Aug 14 18:20:54 <GodGinrai> aww
Aug 14 18:21:13 <GodGinrai> find out if you can soon.  And if they say no, work on pressuring them to be more open ;)
Aug 14 18:21:34 <GodGinrai> The best thing about the webOS phones was how open webOS was
Aug 14 18:21:44 <Herrie> I'm sure there's an easter egg somewhere :P
Aug 14 18:21:55 <Herrie> If only I had my hands on some firmware binaries LOL :P
Aug 14 18:22:23 <Herrie> Could do some searching LOL
Aug 14 18:22:28 * sugardave was going to try to put the Konami code easter egg in somewhere.
Aug 14 18:23:08 <GodGinrai> give me a terminal and give me preware and this TV will be the best TV I'll probably ever own :P
Aug 14 18:23:29 <chall> I've never been a fan of smart TVs
Aug 14 18:23:35 <sugardave> Itwould amuse me to no end thinking about everyone typing that shit out with a magic remote
Aug 14 18:24:09 <GodGinrai> sugardave: Type out just enough to get a USB or bluetooth keyboard working :P
Aug 14 18:24:11 <chall> that said, the only TV I own is currently hooked up to my computer as a third monitor
Aug 14 18:25:25 <sugardave> GodGinrai: come on, I'm more evil than that.  Disallow physical keyboard input
Aug 14 18:26:04 <GodGinrai> chall: lol
Aug 14 18:26:15 <GodGinrai> * sugardave
Aug 14 18:27:10 <GodGinrai> Seriously tho', if the WebOS TVs get Preware, they will probably double in value
Aug 14 18:27:59 <GodGinrai> btw, is there a WebOS TV remote app for the Pre3?
Aug 14 18:28:04 <sugardave> or hack in some grafitti-style input where you draw characters with the magic remote pointer...and that one can be the webos20090606 or whatever the short (lazy) code was
Aug 14 18:29:13 <sugardave> GodGinrai: I don't know, but we have this thing called the ConnectSDK (which I don't know a lot about) that lets you write apps for mobile that somehow will interface with apps on webOS TV
Aug 14 18:29:28 <sugardave> and I think that SDK has some kind of remote control app sample
Aug 14 18:31:13 <GodGinrai> Yea, dmanderson linked to that ConnectSDK thing
Aug 14 18:31:16 <GodGinrai> it looks interesting
Aug 14 18:31:43 <GodGinrai> I was curious, because I think that would be a great way to continue using my Pre3 now that I am on a galaxy note
Aug 14 18:34:11 <sugardave> that would be a good use for one, yeah.  you should get on that!
Aug 14 18:37:46 <GodGinrai> sugardave: I might, we'll see.
Aug 14 19:08:07 <Zectbumo> I would rather have a dumb tv. smart tvs are really slow
Aug 14 19:13:06 <GodGinrai> IMHO, the best are CRTs, but no one makes them anymore
Aug 14 19:13:13 <GodGinrai> plus large CRTs are so heavy
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