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Sep 23 16:52:17 <dmanderson> morning enyos!
Sep 23 16:55:02 <Simpson_2> hi dmanderson
Sep 23 16:55:10 <Simpson_2> any news to share ?
Sep 23 16:59:55 <dmanderson> No :-| lol
Sep 23 17:38:32 <Zectbumo_> I have a Collection in my mainView and I would like to know where I should initiate the fetch(). Also, is there a "just do it for me" option?
Sep 23 17:39:47 <sugardave> you could put it in MainView's create method for a one-shot or in rendered method for every time the view is rendered
Sep 23 17:40:27 <sugardave> or you COULD put it in the Collection's constructor (if you define your own Collection)
Sep 23 17:40:43 <sugardave> there is probably some option to make it auto-fetch
Sep 23 17:44:25 <sugardave> I am usually defining collections in my enyo.Application, set the application to not auto-render, fetch the collection in the application's start method, and when I get the data I want, render the view
Sep 23 18:04:30 <irc_smirk> hello
Sep 23 18:04:52 <irc_smirk> how do i search the conversation logs
Sep 23 18:06:13 <irc_smirk> ahh google
Sep 23 18:07:34 <irc_smirk> are there any good websites teaching enyo
Sep 23 18:07:42 <irc_smirk> i tried the sample app on enyo site but its too complex
Sep 23 18:10:29 <GodGinrai> irc_smirk: By the "sample app", are you referring to the twitter tutorial?
Sep 23 18:10:54 <GodGinrai> New nick, SimpsonTP?
Sep 23 18:14:49 <irc_smirk> nthis one http://enyojs.com/docs/latest/getting-started/moonstone-app-tutorial.html
Sep 23 18:16:02 <Semanticfire> GodGinrai, yup
Sep 23 18:16:11 <Semanticfire> GodGinrai, sync it with my twitter andle ;)
Sep 23 18:16:13 <Semanticfire> handle
Sep 23 18:16:18 <GodGinrai> Ah, I see
Sep 23 18:16:59 <GodGinrai> irc_smirk: This tutorial is not updated for some of the new stuff in 2.4, but it is a little bit simpler introduction: https://github.com/enyojs/enyo/wiki/Tutorial
Sep 23 18:17:20 <GodGinrai> Everything it tells you to do still works in 2.4, so there should be no problems following it
Sep 23 18:27:55 <GodGinrai> wb Zectbumo
Sep 23 18:40:52 <Zectbumo> thx GodGinrai
Sep 23 18:52:01 <sugardave> FIRE IN THE HOLE
Sep 23 18:52:05 <sugardave> er, wb Semanticfire
Sep 23 18:52:17 <Semanticfire_2> :)
Sep 23 18:52:25 <Semanticfire_2> this actually stops the confusion :P
Sep 23 18:52:45 <sugardave> ah, there are clones
Sep 23 18:53:05 <Semanticfire_2> sorry, I have 2 systems
Sep 23 18:53:34 <sugardave> get a free Amazon EC2 instance just to run screen like I do :P
Sep 23 18:56:28 <Semanticfire_2> yeah looked at that once but I like being ofline ;)
Sep 23 18:58:10 <GodGinrai> There are free AWS instances?
Sep 23 19:01:03 <sugardave> Semanticfire_2: ctrl-a-d, ctrl-d -> offline!
Sep 23 19:01:18 <sugardave> GodGinrai: practially free, the developer one is
Sep 23 19:01:36 <sugardave> I think I got billed $0.01 a couple of months ago
Sep 23 19:05:56 <GodGinrai> I see
Sep 23 19:06:33 <sugardave> you can set up quite the little dev system with most (maybe all) of their services
Sep 23 19:06:40 <sugardave> I've got RDS as well
Sep 23 20:19:38 <irc_smirk> anyone know if enyo runs under web component format?
Sep 23 20:20:07 <irc_smirk> seems the two are a natural fit
Sep 23 20:21:35 <dmanderson> Not yet.
Sep 23 20:21:49 <dmanderson> We’re exploring bringing web component support into Enyo, to make it natural.
Sep 23 20:21:57 <dmanderson> But you can totally mix and match the two your self.
Sep 23 20:26:34 <irc_smirk> seems you can hack it in today. all you need is a polyfill for the html import and one to read tags
Sep 23 20:26:44 <irc_smirk> the shadow dom stuff isnt really necessary
Sep 23 20:27:39 <dmanderson> Enyo would need some changes to the API to allow for custom tags to be registred against a constructors prototype.
Sep 23 20:27:47 <dmanderson> But you can use HTMLImports today pretty easily.
Sep 23 20:28:05 <irc_smirk> but htmlimport doenst have good mobile support right?
Sep 23 20:28:10 <irc_smirk> i mean natively
Sep 23 20:28:38 <dmanderson> Right, you would end up polyfilling or using something like Polymer’s vulcanize tool to minify
Sep 23 20:29:56 <irc_smirk> i have to say i just now discovered enyo. i cant believe i havent come across it. i was going into angular then polymer. then i found enyo
Sep 23 20:30:14 <irc_smirk> i cant believe how fast list scrolling works on my first gen ipad
Sep 23 20:31:25 <irc_smirk> what is the syntax to renderInto a specific div id? . say i portion my screen with 2 divs. can i inject apps into them and they be completely encapsulated?
Sep 23 20:32:12 <dmanderson> Yeah, you can just pick a target node.
Sep 23 20:32:29 <dmanderson> .renderInto(document.getElementById(‘divID’));
Sep 23 20:32:56 <dmanderson> If you are using the new enyo.Application kind, you can disable renderOnStart, and then render it when you need it as well.
Sep 23 20:33:13 <irc_smirk> oh nice
Sep 23 20:33:35 <irc_smirk> so if i have apps into seperate panels. does it add/remove html to the dom. or is it all printed out and just using display css property?
Sep 23 20:35:14 <dmanderson> depending on the panel arranger, the controls would be asked to render because the DOM elements would be destroyed
Sep 23 20:35:46 <irc_smirk> so how does it manage memory leaks. is it the dev responsiblity to add/remove listeners?
Sep 23 21:04:29 <sugardave> irc_smirk: if you're using the Enyo event system, it does a good job cleaning up when you destroy components
Sep 23 22:57:35 <Roy__> Enyo book 2nd revision is nearly complete.
Sep 23 23:28:35 <irc_smirk> hello
Sep 23 23:28:44 <irc_smirk> can enyo talk to a devices microphone?
Sep 23 23:29:00 <irc_smirk> id like to create a ui to record some voice notes
Sep 23 23:45:14 <Zectbumo> irc_smirk: use javascript
Sep 23 23:46:08 <irc_smirk> how does enyo message out to other javascript code? is signals what i want to be lookign at?
Sep 23 23:47:40 <Zectbumo> irc_smirk: use enyo to create your ui and to accept action events like pressing the record button. Then in your event handler you access the mic API via javascript.
Sep 23 23:49:56 <irc_smirk> okie dokie
Sep 23 23:50:00 <Zectbumo> http://webaudiodemos.appspot.com/AudioRecorder/index.html
Sep 23 23:58:22 <irc_smirk> very cool. guess it needs phonegap to work within mobile
Sep 24 02:54:59 <irc_smirk> i am trying to install and use enyo without having to use the $lib thing in every sub directory
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