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Sep 24 03:09:46 <irc_smirk> helo
Sep 24 03:09:53 <irc_smirk> is there a way to block or trap the bak button on android
Sep 24 05:17:35 <irc_smirk> hi
Sep 24 05:17:59 <irc_smirk> does enyo have a tool like polymer vulcanize? id like to strip out all unnecessary code from the framework. all i am doing is displaying an img full screen
Sep 24 05:18:11 <irc_smirk> or how would i go about understading what the dependencies are
Sep 24 05:18:19 <irc_smirk> best would be a tree shaker like dart has
Sep 24 05:18:43 <irc_smirk> or perhaps one can run enyo through dart2js ?
Sep 24 07:56:50 <irc_smirk> hi
Sep 24 07:57:10 <irc_smirk> whats the recommended way to wrap up a chunk of html into a component
Sep 24 07:57:43 <irc_smirk> is there a way to include html + javasscript
Sep 24 07:57:56 <irc_smirk> or do i have to make a big string for content?
Sep 24 07:58:07 <irc_smirk> or inject stuff through a json object
Sep 24 15:16:35 <irc_smirk> hi
Sep 24 15:16:48 <irc_smirk> any particular reasons my enyo.Signal is not working?
Sep 24 15:17:05 <irc_smirk> i cant for the life of me get it to talk to my class
Sep 24 15:17:14 <Semanticfire_2> been there :)
Sep 24 15:17:44 <GodGinrai> irc_smirk: We don't know your code :P
Sep 24 15:17:56 <GodGinrai> irc_smirk: try making a fiddle for it: http://www.jsfiddle.net
Sep 24 15:19:25 <irc_smirk> id have to build a mini example
Sep 24 15:19:44 <irc_smirk> but signals is built into the core include right? i dont have to configure it with a depends somewhere along the way do i?
Sep 24 15:19:46 <GodGinrai> yup, that's the general idea
Sep 24 15:20:11 <GodGinrai> yea, enyo.Signals is part of the default library
Sep 24 15:21:19 <irc_smirk> ok thanks. so where is webos today? just the LG tvs or are there are devices that run it
Sep 24 15:22:45 <GodGinrai> LG TVs, the old WebOS phones, and specific Android devices that the webos-ports team have gotten to boot WebOS
Sep 24 15:25:25 <irc_smirk> pitty its not more popular
Sep 24 15:25:31 <irc_smirk> i guess it lives on with enyo
Sep 24 15:30:57 <irc_smirk> is it safe to remove js files from the core that i know my app wont use?
Sep 24 15:31:32 <GodGinrai> Well, I can guarantee that the TV interface is pretty awesome.  (Even if LG is doing some stupid things regarding it)
Sep 24 15:32:05 <GodGinrai> irc_smirk: Probably?  But instead, you should just use the minimized version: enyo.js
Sep 24 15:33:08 <irc_smirk> im sorry i meant with stuff like the libs. onyx
Sep 24 15:33:23 <irc_smirk> if i just use certain ui components the others dont get loaded right?
Sep 24 15:36:36 <GodGinrai> Well
Sep 24 15:36:55 <GodGinrai> there might be a problem with the enyo.depends looking for it
Sep 24 15:36:58 <GodGinrai> and not finding it
Sep 24 15:37:39 <irc_smirk> with depends i can just load the specific ui library i want?
Sep 24 15:38:43 <GodGinrai> well, onyx and moonstone are really the only UI libraries anyone uses right now
Sep 24 15:39:04 <GodGinrai> (heritage and mochi are the only other ones I know of)
Sep 24 15:40:17 <irc_smirk> no i mean if just want the textarea of onyx
Sep 24 15:40:31 <irc_smirk> i think i see how it works. you create a package.js and in there put in just the file syou want
Sep 24 15:40:54 <irc_smirk> and if a component has multiple depends then you depend on its directory and it looks for its package.js
Sep 24 15:40:58 <irc_smirk> is that pretty much it?
Sep 24 15:42:48 <GodGinrai> Yea, but generally, you aren't supposed to cherrypick specific controls from the library
Sep 24 15:44:08 <GodGinrai> Also, it's not the the component has a "depends".  Think of it more like enyo.depends runs a recursive include.  Including all of the definitions needed for what you asked to include.
Sep 24 15:48:02 <irc_smirk> jsut trying to see what the smalles build could be
Sep 24 15:48:12 <irc_smirk> i dont need localization and a whoel bunch of other stuff
Sep 24 15:56:19 <GodGinrai> localization is in a separate library
Sep 24 15:56:52 <GodGinrai> Basically, you will need Enyo and likely Layout for whatever you want to need
Sep 24 15:57:18 <GodGinrai> And if you want to use the Onyx stuff, then it's worth it to just include all of Onyx
Sep 24 15:59:22 <irc_smirk> former flex guy here traumatized by past experiences with mega huge downloads size for simple buttons on the screen
Sep 24 15:59:40 <GodGinrai> lol
Sep 24 16:00:04 <GodGinrai> Don't worry, Onyx doesn't weigh you down much
Sep 24 16:15:30 <dmanderson> morning enyos
Sep 24 16:16:02 <GodGinrai> good morning
Sep 24 16:19:56 <Semanticfire_2> dmanderson, any update on the sizing issues I showed you?
Sep 24 16:20:42 <dmanderson> link me again :) Sorry, had different focuses last couple weeks, than enyo core.
Sep 24 16:21:17 <Semanticfire_2> https://enyojs.atlassian.net/browse/ENYO-4066
Sep 24 16:35:21 <dmanderson> Ah yes, I’ll put this in my que today.
Sep 24 18:06:29 <summatusmentis> hi all
Sep 24 18:06:39 <summatusmentis> can I pick some people's brains?
Sep 24 18:07:45 <Semanticfire_2> rather not :)
Sep 24 18:07:51 <Semanticfire_2> but if you have question..
Sep 24 18:08:25 <summatusmentis> I had a nearly-complete mobile app in 2.2 that I let sit for too long
Sep 24 18:08:30 <summatusmentis> and now there's 2.4
Sep 24 18:08:39 <summatusmentis> how easy is this upgrade going to be?
Sep 24 18:12:19 <GodGinrai> hey summatusmentis
Sep 24 18:12:25 <summatusmentis> hi GodGinrai
Sep 24 18:13:03 <GodGinrai> I doubt there will be much problems w/ the upgrade from 2.2 to 2.4.  I don't particularly remember anything that broke between the two.
Sep 24 18:13:26 <GodGinrai> I would suggest converting your onyx.Drawer to an enyo.Drawer if you have any, tho'
Sep 24 18:14:12 <summatusmentis> then the question is about transitioning into the mvc world
Sep 24 18:14:17 <summatusmentis> and the router stuf
Sep 24 18:14:25 <summatusmentis> (which is why I'm upgrading at all)
Sep 24 18:14:30 <GodGinrai> Now *that* could be some work
Sep 24 18:15:00 <summatusmentis> can I use the router stuff in the "old world" without adopting the mvc stuf?
Sep 24 18:15:00 <GodGinrai> You'll have to refactor a lot of things now that you have bindings.  But it should make your code cleaner in the end
Sep 24 18:15:03 <summatusmentis> or not really?
Sep 24 18:15:25 <GodGinrai> as for enyo.Router, I still don't have experience with that one.  sugardave may have some insight?
Sep 24 18:24:37 <summatusmentis> yikes, I think this is gonna be a big deal
Sep 24 18:25:10 <summatusmentis> maybe I won't worry about this right this second
Sep 24 18:29:39 <GodGinrai> Well
Sep 24 18:30:29 <GodGinrai> Your current code should work fine w/o bindings.  It's just that if you want to switch to using bindings, you will need to take out a lot of the message-passing you were likely doing
Sep 24 18:30:46 <GodGinrai> (as well as change all your lists and repeaters to Data variants)
Sep 24 18:43:19 <summatusmentis> yeah, that sounds like a lot of effort in the near term
Sep 24 18:43:28 <summatusmentis> means a lot of learning overhead
Sep 24 18:43:54 <summatusmentis> I mean, there's nothng wrong with staying on 2.2 either, right?
Sep 24 18:44:03 <summatusmentis> or does something later incorporate browser differences?
Sep 24 18:47:20 <GodGinrai> summatusmentis: You could always just upgrade to 2.4 and code it like you're on 2.2
Sep 24 18:49:08 <summatusmentis> yeah... that involves figuring out all my submodule stuff again
Sep 24 18:49:24 <summatusmentis> which I don't recall how to do
Sep 24 18:49:35 <summatusmentis> I'm mostly just being lazy at this point
Sep 24 18:50:42 <sugardave> just a quick note: you sould be able to use enyo.Router without needing to convert old Enyo code into new-style MVC
Sep 24 18:51:09 <Roy__away> True.
Sep 24 18:51:16 <sugardave> it's mostly a "set up these methods to run when this path is recognized in the window location" thing
Sep 24 18:51:31 <Roy__away> Hmm, I didn't write about enyo.Router, I thnk
Sep 24 18:51:46 <sugardave> Bad Roy__away!!!
Sep 24 18:52:01 <summatusmentis> oh... that's not quite what I wanted for this... unless there's a way to play with window location upon having a notification or something
Sep 24 18:52:17 <summatusmentis> I was hoping it'd be an easy to way to have state imposed on the app
Sep 24 18:52:36 <sugardave> like, you can "tap" a link to do that....in code or through the UI
Sep 24 18:52:57 <Roy__away> You can also set the location hash through it.
Sep 24 18:52:57 <sugardave> it will do what you want, I'm pretty sure
Sep 24 18:53:04 <summatusmentis> hrm
Sep 24 18:53:40 <Roy__away> I need to make a note to write about enyo.Router.
Sep 24 18:53:48 <GodGinrai> ^ yes, indeed
Sep 24 18:53:48 <Roy__away> >sigh<  I thought I was done with rev 2.
Sep 24 18:53:57 <GodGinrai> Lack of documentation is why I don't use enyo.Router
Sep 24 18:54:03 <sugardave> for instance, you could set the location hash (or state) and have enyo.Panels load some new exciting thing
Sep 24 18:54:45 <sugardave> appurl/#settings loads settings panel, etc.
Sep 24 18:56:51 <Roy__away> I need to find the sample I wrote with Router.  I can share it if I find it, I think.
Sep 24 18:57:14 <Roy__away> Oh, it was an Enyo tutorial written in Enyo.
Sep 24 18:57:49 <summatusmentis> sugardave: yeah, that's what I want, if "appurl" can be a thing internal only to the app
Sep 24 18:58:12 <sugardave> it uses window.location, I believe
Sep 24 18:58:47 <sugardave> so it would be known to the outside world if you're hosting it on a web server
Sep 24 19:00:37 <Roy__away> Here's a pastbin
Sep 24 19:05:29 <Roy__away> Well.
Sep 24 19:05:29 <Roy__away> My network connection is flaky.
Sep 24 19:05:29 <Roy__away> http://pastebin.com/NV4v81EM
Sep 24 19:05:30 <Roy__away> navigate() is a function you can call to update the route
Sep 24 19:06:39 <GodGinrai> btw Roy, you shouldn't use pastebin.com.  It's not good for code
Sep 24 19:07:26 <GodGinrai> Roy__away: these would be better:  bpaste.net, gist.github.com, sprunge.us, or ix.io
Sep 24 19:09:30 <summatusmentis> sugardave: yeah, but I'm not hosting on a webserver, phonegap
Sep 24 19:09:48 <summatusmentis> Roy__away: thanks, I'll look at that
Sep 24 19:12:35 <irc_smirk> Roy__away - thank you for your book. learning lots from it
Sep 24 19:14:55 <GodGinrai> irc_smirk: you talking about the Enyo: Up and Running book?
Sep 24 19:17:49 <Roy__away> irc_smirk: Yay!
Sep 24 19:18:01 <Roy__away> New revision will be going up soon that brings everything up-to-date.
Sep 24 19:21:36 <irc_smirk> yes
Sep 24 19:21:43 <irc_smirk> only one out there isnt?
Sep 24 19:21:46 <irc_smirk> i only wish it could be longer
Sep 24 19:21:59 <irc_smirk> Enyo: Up and Running...and sprinting ahead
Sep 24 19:22:21 <irc_smirk> id definetly buy that as an add on. i think you could create a small market for yourself
Sep 24 19:22:58 <GodGinrai> Yea, the book is rather thin <.<
Sep 24 19:24:05 <Roy__away> The new version has more pages!
Sep 24 19:24:17 <Roy__away> A whole new chapter on data driven apps.
Sep 24 19:24:20 <irc_smirk> ive attempted to write tech books in the past. i can appreciate getting past the tedium of explaining how to install and core concepts
Sep 24 19:24:35 <irc_smirk> with that out of the way you should write (or let others write) how to write apps (case study style)
Sep 24 19:24:41 <Roy__away> Which covers models, collections and data-aware controls.
Sep 24 19:24:58 <irc_smirk> you shoudl have a chapter on TV
Sep 24 19:25:09 <irc_smirk> thats gonna be the explosive buzz next year
Sep 24 19:25:20 <Roy__away> There's a bit about deploying to webOS TV.  And some talk about Moonstone.
Sep 24 19:25:39 <Roy__away> Although Moonstone is so meaty I can't really get into it.
Sep 24 19:26:12 <irc_smirk> id just focus on the very basic patterns on tv. tv guides, etc
Sep 24 19:26:29 <irc_smirk> esp the spotlight api
Sep 24 19:27:31 <irc_smirk> hey id love to contribute a chapter ;)
Sep 24 23:24:45 <irc_smirk> helo
Sep 24 23:27:39 <dmanderson> hello
Sep 24 23:29:01 <irc_smirk> how the day been going
Sep 25 00:26:22 <irc_smirk_> hei
Sep 25 00:26:30 <irc_smirk_> so im having problems with signals
Sep 25 00:26:54 <irc_smirk_> i the issue is seen on all enyo youtube player examples ive seen
Sep 25 00:26:57 <irc_smirk_> like this one http://www.szosti.eu/m/enyo/support/apps/youtube/
Sep 25 00:27:20 <irc_smirk_> the issue is the youtube api script is loaded and its callback is support to send a signal
Sep 25 00:27:46 <irc_smirk_> tthis is done in a statics part. and the signal call back is in the objects method
Sep 25 00:28:43 <irc_smirk_> if you try that link youw ill see the player never shows up
Sep 25 00:28:53 <irc_smirk_> thats because its never created. the signal is never received
Sep 25 00:31:40 <irc_smirk_> is there  a way i rewrite this so that i can call the instance method from within the static line?
Sep 25 00:32:14 <irc_smirk_> this code http://www.szosti.eu/m/enyo/lib/extra/youtube/YouTube.js
Sep 25 00:33:09 <chall> you don't need to do that
Sep 25 00:33:49 <chall> all you have to do is nest a Signals object as a component and have it call that method when the "ApiReady" event fires
Sep 25 00:34:54 <irc_smirk_> tthats what that code does
Sep 25 00:34:56 <irc_smirk_> but fails
Sep 25 00:35:06 <chall> no
Sep 25 00:35:19 <chall> it fires an event on the global Signals object
Sep 25 00:35:21 <irc_smirk_> look at line 34 view-source:http://www.szosti.eu/m/enyo/lib/extra/youtube/YouTube.js
Sep 25 00:35:37 <chall> you need an instance of the Signals object to\ receive the event
Sep 25 00:35:58 <chall> oh
Sep 25 00:36:05 <chall> must have missed it the first time
Sep 25 00:36:18 <chall> oh
Sep 25 00:36:25 <chall> that's because it's wrong
Sep 25 00:36:26 <irc_smirk_> the worst part is that sometimes the playe rloads sometimes it doesnt. becaue of the timign
Sep 25 00:36:34 <chall> iirc
Sep 25 00:36:45 <chall> the event you fire and the event on the Signals instance have to be the same
Sep 25 00:36:50 <chall> that includes the "on" part
Sep 25 00:37:23 <irc_smirk_> so what line has to be changed and to what
Sep 25 00:37:34 <chall> enyo.Signals.send("ApiReady");
Sep 25 00:37:40 <chall> to enyo.Signals.send("onApiReady");
Sep 25 00:38:10 <irc_smirk_> is that what this is doing {kind: "Signals", onApiReady: "apiReadySignal"},
Sep 25 00:38:23 <irc_smirk_> oh i see what you mean
Sep 25 00:38:25 <chall> that's supposed to receive the event
Sep 25 00:39:21 <irc_smirk_> yes thats supposed to fix it
Sep 25 00:39:38 <chall> I feel like this should have a create function that calls createPlayer
Sep 25 00:40:12 <irc_smirk_> its probably from an older api?
Sep 25 00:40:21 <chall> possibly
Sep 25 00:40:50 <irc_smirk_> ok cool i found a bug
Sep 25 00:41:03 <irc_smirk_> so how do submit my first ever bug fix on github
Sep 25 00:41:42 <chall> fork the repo, make the change, push the change to your fork, and then make a pull request against the parent repo
Sep 25 00:41:56 <irc_smirk_> ok ill research all that. sweet
Sep 25 00:42:13 <irc_smirk_> thanks. ive gone on 24 hours banging my head
Sep 25 00:42:22 <chall> np, glad to help
Sep 25 00:42:35 <chall> I saw you on here earlier, but you were gone by the time I got here
Sep 25 00:44:57 <irc_smirk_> apply ice to my head
Sep 25 01:05:44 <i2y4n> dmanderson: or sugardave: My forums account has been in limbo for a while. Decided to send a mail to contact@enyojs.com and the message was returned saying it’s undeliverable.
Sep 25 01:47:50 <irc_smirk> anyone know of a webview type component ? should i just work one up from an iframe?
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