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Dec 04 19:42:49 <Cage1___> knock knock
Dec 04 19:43:04 <GodGinrai> *creeeaaaaaak*
Dec 04 19:43:15 * GodGinrai peers at Cage1___ through the crack in the door
Dec 04 19:43:20 <GodGinrai> whaddyawant?
Dec 04 19:43:22 <GodGinrai> :P
Dec 04 19:43:36 <Cage1___> enyo 1.5.1 :)
Dec 04 19:43:50 <GodGinrai> sounds rather.... old
Dec 04 19:44:05 <Cage1___> haha i mean 2.5.1
Dec 04 19:44:35 <GodGinrai> ah, for that you'll have to bug dmanderson
Dec 04 19:45:20 <dmanderson> Roy__ is the one to bug!
Dec 04 19:45:43 <GodGinrai> dmanderson: you're more likely to not be idle
Dec 04 19:46:23 <Roy__> Scandalous.
Dec 04 19:47:21 <Roy__> 2.5.1 is very close to release.  We are currently investigating some structural changes to bootplate and a new tool for developers.
Dec 04 19:47:25 <dmanderson> haha true :) but Roy__ is getting 2.5.1 ready for you guys :) I just push buttons here.
Dec 04 19:47:48 <Roy__> Documentation is getting some html polish.
Dec 04 19:48:36 <GodGinrai> neat
Dec 04 19:48:38 <GodGinrai> btw
Dec 04 19:49:02 <GodGinrai> Did that bindings bug ever get fixed? (the one where ^ bindings weren't working?)
Dec 04 19:49:09 <Cage1___> oh, a new tool (toy)? :) what's that
Dec 04 19:49:25 <Cage1___> btw, whats the link to the new docs again?
Dec 04 19:50:46 <GodGinrai> Cage1___: http://enyosite.enyojs.com/docs/latest/#/home
Dec 04 19:52:25 <GodGinrai> the docs pages at enyosite still have a lot of wasted space that makes me have to scroll more
Dec 04 19:52:30 <GodGinrai> I hope that gets fixed soon
Dec 04 19:55:11 <GodGinrai> Roy__: I was hoping you could shed some light on the state of the binding bug involving sources and targets that begin with ^
Dec 04 19:55:56 <Cage1___> if i remember correctly, that got fixed?
Dec 04 19:59:06 <GodGinrai> I seem to remember Roy__ saying a ticket was made for it... but I don't remember if the problem actually was ever resolved or not
Dec 04 19:59:51 <Roy__> GodGinrai: Yes, binding bug got fixed.
Dec 04 20:00:27 <Roy__> And we even added a nice test case to the unit tests for it.
Dec 04 20:02:26 <GodGinrai> nice
Dec 04 20:02:28 <GodGinrai> thanks
Dec 04 20:10:34 <summatusmentis> wait, 2.5.1? is there a 2.5?
Dec 04 20:11:41 <GodGinrai> summatusmentis: there is, but it wasn't officially released :P
Dec 04 20:12:02 <summatusmentis> oh
Dec 04 20:13:19 <summatusmentis> is there anything I care about in it? (still on 2.2, and scared of the new MVC stuff)
Dec 04 20:13:38 <Roy__> The MVC boogieman will eat your babies.
Dec 04 20:13:58 <GodGinrai> summatusmentis: the MVC stuff is easy peasy.  You should upgrade
Dec 04 20:14:30 <Roy__> The mvc stuff really has some great features.
Dec 04 20:14:38 <GodGinrai> Roy__: I feel that way about Angular's approach to MVC <.<
Dec 04 20:14:38 <Roy__> Simplifies a lot of routine crap.
Dec 04 20:14:43 <summatusmentis> GodGinrai: easy peasy, but a big change in the way data models are handled
Dec 04 20:15:14 <GodGinrai> summatusmentis: Kind of, but not really
Dec 04 20:17:11 <summatusmentis> maybe it'll be a weekend project
Dec 04 20:17:15 <summatusmentis> I mostly want the Route
Dec 04 20:17:18 <summatusmentis> Router*
Dec 04 20:17:35 <GodGinrai> lol, the Router is one of the few things I haven't taken the time to understand
Dec 04 20:17:37 <Roy__> GodGinrai: You object to the extra space below the header?
Dec 04 20:17:45 <GodGinrai> (because they didn't write any documentation for it :P )
Dec 04 20:17:47 <Roy__> The router is nice.
Dec 04 20:18:13 <Roy__> We still need a tutorial for it, I think.
Dec 04 20:18:26 <GodGinrai> Roy__: the space below the header, but also the wasted space in the Kind section
Dec 04 20:18:46 <Roy__> Which wasted space?
Dec 04 20:19:26 <Cage1___> is there a typo in documentation:
Dec 04 20:19:30 <GodGinrai> The breadcrumb doesn't need to be on a separate line, the distance between the breadcrumb and the kindname is ridiculous, and why do we even need the word "Kind" there, that's just more space wasted
Dec 04 20:19:41 <Cage1___> http://enyosite.enyojs.com/docs/latest/developer-guide/building-apps/managing-data/building-data-driven-apps.html#sources
Dec 04 20:19:52 <Cage1___> Under Specifying a source
Dec 04 20:20:03 <Cage1___> it says: "When defining a custom enyo.Model or enyo.Collection subkind, you may specify the defaultSource property"
Dec 04 20:20:31 <Cage1___> but then the example uses source. "enyo.kind({
Dec 04 20:20:31 <Cage1___>         name: "MyContactCollection",
Dec 04 20:20:31 <Cage1___>         kind: "enyo.Collection",
Dec 04 20:20:31 <Cage1___>         model: "MyContactModel",
Dec 04 20:20:31 <Cage1___>         url: "http://myservice.com/users",
Dec 04 20:20:32 <Cage1___>         source: "jsonp"        // use jsonp source instead of ajax for fetching
Dec 04 20:20:32 <Cage1___>     });"
Dec 04 20:23:25 <GodGinrai> And yes, a tutorial for enyo.Router would be nice
Dec 04 20:24:01 <GodGinrai> summatusmentis: binding makes lists and repeaters so much easier to deal w/
Dec 04 20:24:28 <GodGinrai> summatusmentis: it also reduces a lot of message passing and events you had to write
Dec 04 20:26:38 <Roy__> Cage1___: Those may not be updated to the 2.5.1 versions yet.
Dec 04 20:26:49 <Roy__> I will check
Dec 04 20:27:02 <Roy__> Or that's an error
Dec 04 20:27:49 <GodGinrai> Also, just a personal complaint, but the docs being completely decked out in Carolina Blue irks me
Dec 04 20:27:58 <Roy__> haha
Dec 04 20:28:10 <Roy__> Which breadcrumb are you talking about?
Dec 04 20:28:19 <GodGinrai> the extends breadcrumb
Dec 04 20:34:01 <summatusmentis> GodGinrai: right, but there's just a lot of modification and re-factoring that integrating that code will require
Dec 04 20:34:31 <Roy__> Moving extends below kind name, remove 'Kind'
Dec 04 20:34:36 <Roy__> That make you happy?
Dec 04 20:35:00 <GodGinrai> Roy__: sounds good.  Can't tell for sure until I see it :P
Dec 04 20:37:08 <GodGinrai> Roy__: Did some simple height changes in Firebug, visible here: http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=21204
Dec 04 20:37:31 <GodGinrai> This gives you an idea of what I was talking about for saving space
Dec 04 20:37:47 <GodGinrai> I do like the idea of extends being below the name, tho'
Dec 04 20:38:11 <GodGinrai> that way it reads like a sentence "KindName extends X > Y > Z"
Dec 04 21:09:59 <summatusmentis> this is maybe a dumb question, how do I get things to keep a natural height in a toolbar?
Dec 04 21:10:43 <summatusmentis> I can't get a "button, panels, button" construct to give the panels a height
Dec 04 23:00:21 <summatusmentis> is there a way to know when a div has successfully loaded and been given the right size?
Dec 04 23:43:08 <Cage1___> perhaps using a overloaded rendered and/or resized function? after this.inherited line?
Dec 04 23:43:51 <summatusmentis> the issue seemed to be resolved by responding in the rendered() function from the parent
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