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Dec 05 03:13:37 <DougReeder> summatusmentis , the big change is going past 2.2 - there are potentially braking changes like new get() and set() functions on objects. You have read the changelogs carefully for stuff like that.
Dec 05 03:13:47 <DougReeder> But your code may not have any problems.
Dec 05 04:05:21 <summatusmentis> DougReeder: right, I'm on 2.2 right now
Dec 05 04:05:27 <summatusmentis> that's why I'm so resistent
Dec 05 04:06:09 <DougReeder> It would probably take you less than a day, but it’s not a drop-in replacement.
Dec 05 04:07:04 <DougReeder> Data-binding can be quite convenient, and lead to simpler code.
Dec 05 04:08:40 <DougReeder> At the moment, it’s best to wait for 2.5.x, since the data-driven parts are being reworked, and the documentation is poor in places.
Dec 05 04:10:17 <summatusmentis> yeah, and there's deadlines and things
Dec 05 04:14:41 <summatusmentis> anyone have any idea why I'd be getting 'TypeError: undefined is not an object (evaluating 'inA0[i]')' when I try to have an event handler on panels for onTransitionStart?
Dec 05 04:17:04 <summatusmentis> it's only onTransitionStart, not onTransitionFinish
Dec 05 17:04:08 <dmanderson> morning enyos!
Dec 05 17:08:52 <GodGinrai> morning dmanderson
Dec 05 17:29:37 <DougReeder> So, what’s the point of the enyo.Application kind?
Dec 05 17:36:49 <dmanderson> It gives you a nice reference point for an MVC app.
Dec 05 17:37:03 <dmanderson> All the kinds will have an this.app reference.
Dec 05 17:37:21 <dmanderson> Good for SPAs / cordova builds
Dec 05 17:37:44 <dmanderson> Bubbling / Waterfalling can be expensive. Sometimes a ‘global’ is good to use.
Dec 05 17:39:33 <dmanderson> hey moriger!
Dec 05 17:39:42 <moriger> Hi
Dec 05 17:40:13 <moriger> say, is there any documentation for using enyo/onyx in a web server environment? Say, EG, Ruby on Rails site?
Dec 05 17:40:38 <moriger> Everything, including the repos, appear to be structured for phone apps.
Dec 05 17:40:56 <dmanderson> You know - there isn’t a lot of open web documentation
Dec 05 17:41:17 <dmanderson> But it isn’t much different than using it for those other platforms.
Dec 05 17:41:27 <dmanderson> You can look at the boot plates
Dec 05 17:41:35 <dmanderson> and they will let you develop uncompressed.
Dec 05 17:41:57 <dmanderson> Then when you are ready to deploy to production, you can use build.js to spit out standalones
Dec 05 17:44:44 <moriger> I see no build.js in the bootplate dir. Is that in another repo?
Dec 05 17:46:31 <moriger> do you mean deploy.sh?
Dec 05 17:54:45 <GodGinrai> moriger: you just want to use it for a website or webapp?
Dec 05 17:59:53 <moriger> web site
Dec 05 18:01:11 <GodGinrai> DougReeder: the enyo.Application kind gives you globals, view switching, and some convenience functions (like auto-rendering on create)
Dec 05 18:02:20 <GodGinrai> moriger: If you are using unminimized, you can just put the libs in a lib folder, enyo in an enyo folder, source wherever you want, point the package.js correctly, and away you go
Dec 05 18:05:19 <GodGinrai> in your html files, all you would need are <script> tags pointing to enyo and your package.js as well as a <link> tag pointing to enyo.css
Dec 05 18:06:29 <moriger> OK. I'll have to tool around with that.
Dec 05 18:07:13 <GodGinrai> If you have any more questions, feel free to ask
Dec 05 18:08:41 <moriger> Will do
Dec 05 18:09:39 <DougReeder> Is there documentation on the view switching?
Dec 05 18:09:52 <GodGinrai> dmanderson: Is there a list anywhere of what I can expect to see in 2.5.1?
Dec 05 18:11:04 <GodGinrai> DougReeder: Not really.  It's something I learned about while reading the API.  I have some fiddles for it, let me see if I can find one for you...
Dec 05 18:14:05 <DougReeder> The docs at http://enyosite.enyojs.com/docs/latest/#/kind/enyo.ViewController don’t explain why you would want to bother.
Dec 05 18:14:22 <dmanderson> GodGinrai @Roy__ is the guy to see about those notes :)
Dec 05 18:14:45 <GodGinrai> dmanderson: We're not on twitter :P
Dec 05 18:15:09 <GodGinrai> Roy__: dmanderson is deferring to you for a featurelist for 2.5.1
Dec 05 18:15:15 <dmanderson> moriger - build.sh/.bat drive a node script (build.js) you could use build.js directly in your pipeline
Dec 05 18:16:06 <GodGinrai> DougReeder: The benefit is that not all your views are loaded and sitting in memory like panels do in an enyo.Panels
Dec 05 18:20:40 <GodGinrai> DougReeder: here is a example of how to change views in the enyo.viewController: http://jsfiddle.net/o5k8752a/8/
Dec 05 18:21:11 <GodGinrai> DougReeder: there are 3 invisible buttons below the heading at the top of the page
Dec 05 18:21:18 <GodGinrai> DougReeder: click those to change the view
Dec 05 18:21:25 <GodGinrai> There were originally images there
Dec 05 18:21:42 <GodGinrai> but the guy who I was helping out on this fiddle must have taken the images off of his dropbox
Dec 05 18:29:27 <DougReeder> So, you set the “view” property of a ViewController, then call render on it, then it destroys the old view and creates a new one?
Dec 05 18:29:58 <GodGinrai> almost
Dec 05 18:30:24 <GodGinrai> when you set the view property, it goes ahead and destroys the old view and creates the new view
Dec 05 18:30:34 <GodGinrai> the new view just hasn't been rendered yet
Dec 05 18:30:38 <GodGinrai> so then you call render
Dec 05 18:30:45 <GodGinrai> to display the new view
Dec 05 18:31:59 <DougReeder> I can see uses for that.
Dec 05 18:32:43 <GodGinrai> :)
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