**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 14 02:59:58 2014 Dec 14 03:05:57 ok, that works. still don't understand why things in components block of Application don't work right though. but don't need it now. Dec 14 03:06:42 next thing i don't understand is why anything named like "x.y" doesn't work, unless "x" happens to be "app" Dec 14 03:07:30 i'm not sure if i'm expecting something that doesn't make sense Dec 14 04:02:48 oh.. lol. adding color animations while panel changes are happening kills the panel change animations on old webOS Dec 14 04:15:02 and oh jeez my layout acts totally different on android than on chrome, opera, or webos. :-S Dec 14 05:05:28 ok, so, my panels don't function at all on android 4.1 on a touchpad, and everything moves incredibly slow compared to webOS on same touchpad. my layout is completely broken on android 5.0. screw android. :-D Dec 14 05:06:23 i can see in android 4.1, all of my animations that are supposed to occur simultaneously, are happening extremely slowly, in serial. Dec 14 05:14:10 even after taking out all the animations 4.1 still has a huge lag in processing any data Dec 14 05:14:14 *input data Dec 14 05:15:10 still getting the ol "Miss a drag as we are waiting for WebCore's response" too Dec 14 07:08:41 ok, i'm giving up on this one. Anyone have any idea why doing setIndex on a panel would fail to do anything in Android 4.1 ? no errors in the log. Dec 14 07:09:56 i'm using a Panels with a CollapsingArranger , and that one's working, although I don't actually setIndex on it. Inside that, there's a Panels with a DockRightArranger .. that's the one that's not working Dec 14 07:11:05 oh. if I open then close the CollapsingArranger first, then I can see the DockRightArranger animation playing .. but the content doesn't come with it. Dec 14 07:11:16 and it only does it the first time. Dec 14 10:44:35 oh, that's interesting. i run deploy, and the panels are broken in a completely different way. :-S Dec 14 11:06:59 okay so 2.5.1. comes with yeoman support Dec 14 11:07:27 there is still not a easy way to have a clean repository without all the enyo crap :-/ Dec 14 11:15:42 Well, there's probably several ways to do that, depending on what your ultimate need/goal is Dec 14 11:20:37 For what I'm doing right now, I just cloned bootplate, deleted all the .git metadata, created a new repository, and added everything to it. That obviously doesn't fit your goal :-) But now that I'm thinking about it, a better way might've been to fork bootplate, clone that fork, and then add the app code as a submodule. Dec 14 11:33:53 I've created my own grunt / bower project: https://github.com/semanticfire/enyo-grunt-skeleton Dec 14 11:33:58 which allows exactly what I need Dec 14 11:38:35 i still need to figure out what all these new-fangled tools everyone is talking about are. Dec 14 11:41:24 yup I see what you mean Dec 14 11:43:23 if people named things in such a way that i could tell what they did by their name, i'd be more into checking things out. haha Dec 14 11:45:36 i'm guessing grunt is a tool for doing grunt work, but i have about zero clue as to what "bower" and "yeoman" might be. Guess it's time to re-calibrate my radar and get a wider set of input Dec 14 11:46:46 you'll have to, I suffered as well Dec 14 11:46:57 coming from a java world I've looked for a maven like tool Dec 14 13:38:08 re Dec 14 21:08:10 gm all Dec 14 21:46:40 hmm. Doesn't look like Enyo works when packaged as a Windows app .. "JavaScript runtime error: Unable to add dynamic content. ...using the innerHTML property to add script or malformed HTML will generate this exception. Use the toStaticHTML method to filter dynamic content, or explicitly create elements and attributes with a method such as createElement." Dec 14 22:06:39 looks like it's pretty easy to fix that up, although I think just blindly adding some calls may be doing some extra unnecessary processing Dec 14 22:17:32 got it to load the core up, and got my app running, but it eventually blew up somewhere in lang.js .. and debugging minified code is not in my job description, so it'll take me some more time to find a fix. Dec 14 22:36:16 @EricBlade You should read my revised book. It has some stuff on creating packaged apps. Dec 14 22:37:09 Anyhow... Check out AtomShell or node-webkit. Dec 14 22:37:30 I have a sample AtomShell app here: https://github.com/Enyo-UpAndRunning/atom-shell-sample Dec 14 22:38:12 For desktops Dec 14 22:58:59 Roy__: my current checkout of enyo (from about 2 weeks ago) totally blows up just starting up as a Windows packaged app, complaining that our usage of innerHtml is unsafe Dec 14 23:02:28 that part I've managed to fix pretty easily, but there's something going wrong in lang.js .. i'm travelling to the office tomorrow, so i probably won't have time to mess with it too much, but I think I can make it work. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 15 02:59:59 2014