**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 05 02:59:58 2008
Dec 05 04:25:52 <rwhitby> http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openwrt/fon-ng/ is now available.
Dec 05 04:26:56 <fon_> wt's in this image?
Dec 05 04:27:44 <rwhitby> nothing new
Dec 05 04:27:52 <rwhitby> default build from source release
Dec 05 04:28:00 <rwhitby> for those that want opkg, you can wget http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openwrt/fon-ng/mips/opkg_4564-1_mips.ipk
Dec 05 04:28:31 <rwhitby> then (cd /tmp ; tar zxvf opkg_4564-1_mips.ipk
Dec 05 04:28:31 <rwhitby>  ; cd / ; tar zxvf /tmp/data.tar.gz )
Dec 05 04:30:40 <rwhitby> That feed will be autobuild from the latest unstable fon-ng svn trunk
Dec 05 04:31:49 <fon_> ic. Thanks
Dec 05 04:32:02 <fon_> do you know if the ftp gonna work now?
Dec 05 04:36:51 <rwhitby> no idea, ftp is too insecure for me.  use sftp instead.
Dec 05 05:45:34 <fon_> ic
Dec 05 05:45:45 <fon_> so which features do you interested the most?
Dec 05 06:43:06 <fon_> After i change internet connection to wifi(repeater mode).  My wireless private is gone.
Dec 05 06:49:10 <fon_> i can see a hidden SSID broadcast from it, but i'm unable to connect to it
Dec 05 07:06:51 <rwhitby> fon_: I'm currently working on bluetooth connectivity to the Fon2 from mobile phones.
Dec 05 07:08:41 <fon_> is that mean fon2.0 will able to connect internet by using the mobile phone network via bluetooth?
Dec 05 07:13:08 <fon_> or its for sth else?
Dec 05 07:18:47 <chihchun> via 3g modem as well
Dec 05 07:20:39 <rwhitby> no, my work is so a phone can connect to the internet via bluetooth on the fon2.
Dec 05 07:20:48 <rwhitby> for bluetooth-only devices.
Dec 05 07:21:15 <rwhitby> (like a Treo650 where you don't want to incur GPRS data charges, but there is no wifi on the device you wish to connect to the internet)
Dec 05 07:22:16 <fon_> didn't know that mobile can connect internet via bluetooth.
Dec 05 07:23:27 <fon_> chihchun: what do u mean via 3g modem as well?
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 05 07:45:09 2008
Dec 05 09:07:18 <iurgi> hi rwhitby
Dec 05 09:07:22 <iurgi> therE?
Dec 05 09:08:54 <voorstad> Thanks to Skynetbbs I have beenn able to de-brick my Fonera! He's worth a million, and not for the dutch speakers only!
Dec 05 09:09:38 <iurgi> voorstad: good
Dec 05 09:09:49 <iurgi> but a fonera is worth 40€ ;)
Dec 05 09:10:37 <voorstad> Well, as long as it is full Openwrt + Fon add ons it's woth much more.
Dec 05 09:10:49 <iurgi> voorstad: XD
Dec 05 09:15:47 <voorstad> (Valor consignado a efectos estadísticos €18.00 por Router)
Dec 05 09:17:39 <RHarmsen> voorstad: De wat?
Dec 05 09:22:31 <voorstad> RHarmsen: dat ie 18 euro inkoop voor Fon is :-)
Dec 05 09:23:37 <RHarmsen> voorstad: ok, thanx... my spanish isn't that good ;)
Dec 05 09:23:49 <voorstad> denada
Dec 05 09:49:21 <kazwo> \o/
Dec 05 09:52:59 <iurgi> voorstad: what's that?
Dec 05 09:59:06 <barbon> hello!
Dec 05 09:59:39 <barbon> i have a question about dyds service of fonera
Dec 05 09:59:51 <barbon> this do the same work of dyds updater?
Dec 05 10:12:54 <barbon> somesone can able to reply? :)
Dec 05 10:16:09 <iurgi> hmmm
Dec 05 10:16:13 <iurgi> dunno what to answer
Dec 05 10:16:20 <iurgi> it's a standard dyndns client
Dec 05 10:17:47 <iurgi> but remember dyndns can only receive updates qhen your public IP changes
Dec 05 10:17:51 <iurgi> if not, it will ban you
Dec 05 10:20:42 <rwhitby> iurgi: hi
Dec 05 10:20:55 <iurgi> rwhitby: hi
Dec 05 10:21:12 <rwhitby> just sent you the error log from attempting a http checkin
Dec 05 10:21:41 <iurgi> ok
Dec 05 10:25:41 <rwhitby> iurgi: I thought that with the svn release you guys were going to merge back the openwrt changes so you didn't have a complete out-of-date copy of all openwrt code (including all the targets that are not related to fonera)?
Dec 05 10:27:09 <iurgi> no, we're using a snapshot of openwrt since we are doing a release soon
Dec 05 10:27:23 <rwhitby> oh, so after the release.  ok.
Dec 05 10:27:28 <iurgi> I guess so
Dec 05 10:27:33 <iurgi> blogic: can help you better on that
Dec 05 10:27:43 <rwhitby> hmm - running /etc/init.d/bluez-utils start causes the fon2 to crash.
Dec 05 10:27:49 <iurgi> ops
Dec 05 10:27:52 <iurgi> how?
Dec 05 10:28:00 <rwhitby> Looks like I need to hook up the one with serial ...
Dec 05 10:28:22 <rwhitby> power light goes orange and wifi and ssh drop
Dec 05 10:28:41 <rwhitby> will flash the other device and see what happens on the console later tonight.
Dec 05 10:29:47 <iurgi> this description sounds like a reboot?
Dec 05 10:32:03 <rwhitby> looks like it happens immediately after /usr/bin/rfcomm bind all
Dec 05 10:39:05 <barbon> sorry i haved afk
Dec 05 10:39:17 <barbon> so i have to set the pubblic ip?
Dec 05 10:39:31 <barbon> and the dydns service costantly update it?
Dec 05 10:41:30 <iurgi> brabon, the way dyndns works is that the client should be aware of the public IP address of your internet ocnnection
Dec 05 10:41:45 <iurgi> when it changes, and only then, it should inform the server of the change
Dec 05 10:54:31 <barbon> ok ty
Dec 05 10:58:38 <chihchun> git-svn rocks
Dec 05 11:02:46 <barbon> what is the best funtionality firmwar for now?
Dec 05 11:02:54 <barbon> aka Evil Teddy?
Dec 05 11:03:29 <iurgi> I don't understand the question
Dec 05 11:03:40 <iurgi> chihchun: it does now that we don't have any externals
Dec 05 11:03:55 <iurgi> in our old internal repository, with svn:externals, git-svn was a nightmare
Dec 05 11:04:37 <chihchun> thanks god, we don't the old repository (?) :)
Dec 05 11:07:42 <chihchun> what's the openwrt version in fonosfera repository?
Dec 05 11:18:02 <TeigneuX> Hi all
Dec 05 11:18:38 <iurgi> hi
Dec 05 11:20:55 <barbon> what is the best beta firmware for now?
Dec 05 11:21:00 <iurgi> ah
Dec 05 11:21:01 <iurgi> alfred
Dec 05 11:21:07 <iurgi> blog.fonosfera.org
Dec 05 11:21:30 <iurgi> Evil Teddy is very old
Dec 05 11:21:41 <iurgi> after that we had Sylvester and now we have Alfred
Dec 05 11:21:42 <iurgi> :)
Dec 05 11:21:55 <TeigneuX> How you choose names ?
Dec 05 11:22:14 <iurgi> secret
Dec 05 11:22:19 <barbon> lol
Dec 05 11:22:28 <TeigneuX> lol
Dec 05 11:23:18 <TeigneuX> Even if it was a little buggy thanks for the image (with SSH) I have flashed with redboot and follow instructions, now it's ok !
Dec 05 11:24:22 <iurgi> TeigneuX: good
Dec 05 11:24:33 <iurgi> of course it was buggy, it's an RC1 not a release
Dec 05 11:24:47 <iurgi> and well, even the release might have bugs, do you know any software without bugs ;)
Dec 05 11:25:03 <iurgi> btw, any other bugs except for the minor's rwhitby found and the ssh one?
Dec 05 11:26:07 <voorstad> iurgi: why is fon blocking community add ons? I try to do the kolofonium hack now my fon2200 is de-bricked. But i am blocked and get "FON1 - Webserver 5" etc.?
Dec 05 11:26:24 <iurgi> ???
Dec 05 11:26:29 <iurgi> lol
Dec 05 11:26:36 <iurgi> how can we "block" community add ons?
Dec 05 11:26:37 <iurgi> haha
Dec 05 11:26:43 <iurgi> voorstad: that's a DNS problem
Dec 05 11:26:44 <voorstad> dunno
Dec 05 11:26:55 <iurgi> sounds like you tried to connect too early to the fonera
Dec 05 11:27:09 <iurgi> in this early state, the fonera 'fakes¡ DNS replies
Dec 05 11:27:17 <iurgi> to a fixed IP address (FOn''s IP addresS)
Dec 05 11:27:30 <iurgi> your browser chaches it
Dec 05 11:27:33 <voorstad> freewlan addon
Dec 05 11:27:36 <iurgi> try closing your browser
Dec 05 11:27:39 <iurgi> all instances
Dec 05 11:27:54 <voorstad> yup
Dec 05 11:28:42 <iurgi> works?
Dec 05 11:29:37 <voorstad> nope. I can ping 88.198.165.155
Dec 05 11:30:19 <iurgi> did you cclose the browser?
Dec 05 11:30:21 <iurgi> all isntances?
Dec 05 11:30:27 <voorstad> yep
Dec 05 11:30:35 <iurgi> and you still get the same page?
Dec 05 11:30:38 <iurgi> hummmm
Dec 05 11:30:40 <voorstad> 7.1r1 fon, made static ip
Dec 05 11:30:48 <iurgi> what's that?
Dec 05 11:30:55 <voorstad> (accorodng to wiki.fon.com freewlan
Dec 05 11:31:15 <voorstad> http://wiki.fon.com/wiki/FreeWLAN
Dec 05 11:32:16 <iurgi> well
Dec 05 11:32:25 <iurgi> Skynetbbs created that page
Dec 05 11:32:26 <iurgi> ask him
Dec 05 11:32:32 <iurgi> I tend not to trust his sources
Dec 05 11:33:37 <iurgi> I have no clue about these plugins, what they work like where they come from...
Dec 05 11:33:44 <iurgi> I can't control all the info, sorry :(
Dec 05 11:33:49 <iurgi> I can help you debug
Dec 05 11:34:53 <iurgi> voorstad: additionaly, taht seems not to be for the fonera 2.0
Dec 05 11:35:06 <voorstad> there is something in the changelog of the fonera firmware about disabling klofonium dns bug
Dec 05 11:35:14 <voorstad> yep, ok
Dec 05 11:35:28 <iurgi> voorstad: no, you're wrong :)
Dec 05 11:35:37 <iurgi> the chage was not to disable kolofonium
Dec 05 11:35:42 <voorstad> but it's a bit strange to open up Fon2 and keeping fon"1" closed
Dec 05 11:36:18 <iurgi> obviously, at that point 1) not everybody at FON was as open as we're now (I finally won that battle :P) and 2) the communities tended to think a bit... self-centered
Dec 05 11:36:32 <iurgi> I did that change and it was for other reasons: dynamic whitelisting
Dec 05 11:36:38 <iurgi> If I recall properly
Dec 05 11:36:42 <iurgi> but I'm not sure
Dec 05 11:37:06 <iurgi> what I can tell you is I never took any steps to 'close' an specific hack
Dec 05 11:37:06 <voorstad> I just want some of the features of the freewlan addon
Dec 05 11:37:14 <iurgi> for the fonera 2.0?
Dec 05 11:38:17 <voorstad> but I am struggling for days, bricking my fonera. I feel more like istalling dd-wrt or open-wrt now....... Although I still like and want to support the FON idea.
Dec 05 11:38:33 <voorstad> that's all
Dec 05 11:39:00 <iurgi> fonera orf fonera 2.0?
Dec 05 11:39:12 <voorstad> no, i have a 2.0 and want to freewlan my classic fon2200
Dec 05 11:39:32 <iurgi> voorstad: regardin "keepiing fon1 closed": I tell you the same as others: things don't happen out of magic
Dec 05 11:39:58 <iurgi> making that change in about 100K active foneras 1.0 is not an overnight task
Dec 05 11:40:18 <iurgi> I wish one day we can have fon-ng firmware availabl for foneras 1.0
Dec 05 11:40:24 <iurgi> but it's a long task
Dec 05 11:40:41 <iurgi> and now we need to focus on making fon-ng good enough
Dec 05 11:40:49 <iurgi> we're focused on fonera 2.0
Dec 05 11:41:08 <iurgi> and if it's a success, maybe some day, we will backport to fonera+ and fonera
Dec 05 11:41:23 <iurgi> in any case, anyone is free to take fon-ng and try to port it to F1 and F+
Dec 05 11:41:27 <iurgi> the sourcecode is there
Dec 05 11:41:53 <iurgi> so, for now, FOn will officially improve fon-ng and focus in the fonera 2.0 and future devices
Dec 05 11:42:19 <iurgi> we will give support for fonera 1.0 and fonera + butwe have no resources to backport in the short term, sorry
Dec 05 11:45:28 <TeigneuX> iurgi: Haven't time to test but I have got a thing
Dec 05 11:45:43 <iurgi> what thing?
Dec 05 11:45:45 <TeigneuX> I have to port map a ftp service to another ip
Dec 05 11:45:53 <TeigneuX> which is on my wan side
Dec 05 11:46:01 <iurgi> hmmm you mean forwardÂ?
Dec 05 11:46:02 <iurgi> ?
Dec 05 11:46:03 <TeigneuX> and all opening port due to data transfer
Dec 05 11:46:13 <TeigneuX> aren't working
Dec 05 11:46:18 <TeigneuX> yes forward
Dec 05 11:46:18 <iurgi> what?
Dec 05 11:46:21 <iurgi> I do't understand
Dec 05 11:46:30 <TeigneuX> When you make an ftp session
Dec 05 11:46:35 <TeigneuX> there is port 21
Dec 05 11:46:40 <TeigneuX> to log in
Dec 05 11:46:42 <iurgi> yes
Dec 05 11:46:51 <TeigneuX> you make an LIST or upload
Dec 05 11:46:59 <iurgi> ?
Dec 05 11:47:10 <iurgi> inside the ftp ok
Dec 05 11:47:14 <TeigneuX> there are ports that are opened
Dec 05 11:47:16 <TeigneuX> yes
Dec 05 11:47:26 <iurgi> oh, that's active or passive mode, right?
Dec 05 11:47:29 <TeigneuX> and the data won't pass throug
Dec 05 11:47:30 <TeigneuX> yes
Dec 05 11:47:35 <iurgi> did you try both modes?
Dec 05 11:47:40 <TeigneuX> I have told this to blogic
Dec 05 11:47:42 <TeigneuX> yes
Dec 05 11:47:56 <iurgi> I see
Dec 05 11:47:56 <iurgi> ok
Dec 05 11:48:12 <TeigneuX> Should I add an entry to the trac ?
Dec 05 11:49:05 <iurgi> sure, please
Dec 05 11:49:06 <TeigneuX> btw this thing was working under F1
Dec 05 11:49:12 <iurgi> that's what it is for ;)
Dec 05 11:49:18 <iurgi> F! meaning fonera 1?
Dec 05 11:49:18 <TeigneuX> lol ok
Dec 05 11:49:21 <TeigneuX> yes
Dec 05 11:49:24 <iurgi> well, all the firmware is different
Dec 05 11:49:25 <iurgi> hehe
Dec 05 11:49:33 <iurgi> so, it's no use comparing
Dec 05 11:49:35 <TeigneuX> ftp> ls
Dec 05 11:49:35 <TeigneuX> 200 Command Okay.
Dec 05 11:49:35 <TeigneuX> 425 Can't open data connection.
Dec 05 11:49:45 <TeigneuX> Yes I saw it
Dec 05 11:49:56 <TeigneuX> big difference in the firewall
Dec 05 11:50:01 <iurgi> yes
Dec 05 11:52:21 <barbon> i have find another bug
Dec 05 11:52:28 <barbon> if you try to change the ip of fonera
Dec 05 11:52:33 <barbon> to 192.168.1.xxx
Dec 05 11:52:42 <barbon> it not able to connect to internet
Dec 05 11:53:01 <barbon> you have to use 192.168.10.xxx
Dec 05 11:57:43 <TeigneuX> ticket posted #12
Dec 05 12:03:53 <skynetbbs> Evil Teddy & Sylvester were successfully flashed & running on a F+ ... even Repeater mode "worked"... will have to test Alfred on a F+ soon :-)
Dec 05 12:04:47 <iurgi> barbon: I don't think so
Dec 05 12:04:54 <iurgi> what network is the cfonera connected to?
Dec 05 12:04:57 <blogic> lo
Dec 05 12:07:04 <TeigneuX> lo
Dec 05 12:16:20 <barbon> to a router
Dec 05 12:16:26 <barbon> 192.168.1.254
Dec 05 12:16:56 <barbon> if i change foner ip in 192.168.1.253 power led become orange
Dec 05 12:17:43 <iurgi> barbon: the fonera (and no NATting router in the world) can have the same subnet in 2 interfaces
Dec 05 12:17:56 <iurgi> it wouldn't know what to nat and what not and what to send where
Dec 05 12:18:11 <blogic> iurgi: :)
Dec 05 12:18:20 <iurgi> what you're trying to do, bridging lan and wan, does not work
Dec 05 12:18:23 <iurgi> it's not possible as is
Dec 05 12:18:39 <iurgi> it's the LAN-WAN bridge I told you the first day
Dec 05 12:18:41 <barbon> ok so i have to wait that fonera has the btridge?
Dec 05 12:18:44 <iurgi> so, it's not a bug
Dec 05 12:18:46 <iurgi> yes
Dec 05 12:18:50 <barbon> ok
Dec 05 12:18:58 <barbon> yea i dont have see XD
Dec 05 12:19:05 <iurgi> XD
Dec 05 12:21:04 <barbon> bridge mode can be added in next firmware update? :)
Dec 05 12:21:28 <iurgi> barbon: not yet
Dec 05 12:21:54 <iurgi> we will do it, but it's not easy and we need time because we have so many cool plugins in hands
Dec 05 12:22:25 <barbon> np, take all times that you need :)
Dec 05 12:22:48 <iurgi> barbon: :)
Dec 05 12:50:12 <iurgi> 7na
Dec 05 12:50:24 <iurgi> 28 people, record
Dec 05 12:50:25 <iurgi> :D
Dec 05 12:50:33 <iurgi> ops, 27
Dec 05 12:50:33 <iurgi> ;)
Dec 05 12:51:14 <barbon> =P
Dec 05 13:01:03 <rwhitby> we need CIA in here (see cia.vc)
Dec 05 13:01:39 <rwhitby> blogic: who can set up cia on the fon-ng svn repo?
Dec 05 13:02:09 <iurgi> what's cia?
Dec 05 13:02:41 <iurgi> version control format...
Dec 05 13:02:54 <iurgi> informant
Dec 05 13:03:16 <iurgi> oh
Dec 05 13:03:17 <iurgi> I see
Dec 05 13:03:19 <iurgi> interesting
Dec 05 13:03:27 <iurgi> yes, we should get that
Dec 05 13:04:47 <iurgi> I'll get that installed
Dec 05 13:08:06 <blogic> rwhitby: i will take care of it
Dec 05 13:08:20 <blogic> or iurgi will :)
Dec 05 13:08:47 <rwhitby> thx
Dec 05 13:09:04 <iurgi> already asked for it
Dec 05 13:09:11 <blogic> ok
Dec 05 13:09:12 <iurgi> let's see
Dec 05 13:14:56 * rwhitby starts a flash of the serial-enabled fon2, and goes to bed.
Dec 05 13:15:06 <blogic> ok
Dec 05 13:15:21 <blogic> rwhitby: you have a sec on the weekend form me
Dec 05 13:15:22 <rwhitby> we'll find out what causes the rfcomm reboot tomorrow.
Dec 05 13:15:22 <blogic> ?
Dec 05 13:15:34 <rwhitby> blogic: sure - regarding fsg3?
Dec 05 13:15:39 <blogic> to get me started quicly with the fsg3
Dec 05 13:15:40 <blogic> yeah
Dec 05 13:15:53 <blogic> and i think i found someone with a nda for rtl8035
Dec 05 13:16:03 <rwhitby> 8.09 works out of the box
Dec 05 13:16:10 <blogic> so i will write the code and send it to him to send to -devl as a [PATCH]
Dec 05 13:16:20 <blogic> yeah, i mean the how to flash it thing
Dec 05 13:16:27 <blogic> i lost the link you sent me
Dec 05 13:16:31 <blogic> for the bootp thing
Dec 05 13:16:42 <rwhitby> do you have serial?
Dec 05 13:16:45 <blogic> yeah
Dec 05 13:16:47 <blogic> ok
Dec 05 13:16:48 <blogic> :)
Dec 05 13:17:17 <blogic> my idea in the long run is to provide the tftp an bootp as a winexe
Dec 05 13:17:22 <iurgi> brb
Dec 05 13:17:23 <rwhitby> right
Dec 05 13:17:28 <blogic> well
Dec 05 13:17:35 <blogic> there is the freecom trecovery tool
Dec 05 13:17:40 <blogic> i will look into it
Dec 05 13:17:44 <iurgi> there's another one, imho
Dec 05 13:17:51 <iurgi> I think freewlan or some used it
Dec 05 13:17:53 <rwhitby> blogic: here's the instructions:
Dec 05 13:17:57 <iurgi> brb
Dec 05 13:17:57 <rwhitby> 1) fis init
Dec 05 13:18:19 <rwhitby> 2) create an apex partition of 1 block size just before the RedBoot config
Dec 05 13:18:29 <rwhitby> 3) build fsg3 profile from 8.09
Dec 05 13:18:38 <rwhitby> 4) flash kernel to kern1 partition
Dec 05 13:18:46 <rwhitby> 5) flash squashfs to kern2 partition
Dec 05 13:19:04 <rwhitby> change fconfig to run "fis load apex ; boot"
Dec 05 13:19:09 <blogic> ok
Dec 05 13:19:11 <blogic> thx
Dec 05 13:19:15 <blogic> that should be easy
Dec 05 13:19:16 <rwhitby> (make apex load at same address as is already set in fis for kern1)
Dec 05 13:19:28 <rwhitby> 0x00700000 I think
Dec 05 13:19:29 <blogic> yeah
Dec 05 13:19:31 <blogic> ok
Dec 05 13:19:39 <rwhitby> then boot into squashfs
Dec 05 13:20:26 <rwhitby> you will need to format and untar the rootfs.tgz onto the disk.  ext3 is fine.
Dec 05 13:21:04 <rwhitby> if you don't want to take the disk out, then do that on a flash stick and boot from the flash stick next so you have enough space to install the utils to reformat and untar to the disk
Dec 05 13:21:32 <rwhitby> you will need /dev/zero, /dev/null, and /dev/console on the disk in addition to the normal 8.09 tar.gz contents
Dec 05 13:22:26 <rwhitby> once you've got that ready, then tell apex to boot from disk instead of squashfs.  To switch between the normal and -alt settings in apex you hold in the front big button during apex boot, but let it go immediately apex has started.
Dec 05 13:23:29 <rwhitby> I think I have apex set up to boot from disk by default, or from flash if you hold in the button.  Let me check that now in the source.
Dec 05 13:24:01 <rwhitby> CONFIG_ENV_DEFAULT_CMDLINE="root=/dev/sda1 rootdelay=10 console=ttyS0,115200 init=/etc/preinit noinitrd"
Dec 05 13:24:11 <rwhitby> CONFIG_ENV_DEFAULT_CMDLINE_ALT="root=/dev/mtdblock2 rootfstype=squashfs console=ttyS0,115200 init=/etc/preinit noinitrd"
Dec 05 13:24:48 <rwhitby> so by default it boots from disk.  hold in button to boot from internal squashfs flash.
Dec 05 13:25:17 <rwhitby> blogic: anything else you think you might need?
Dec 05 13:25:58 <rwhitby> apex stuff is in target/linux/ixp4xx/image/apex/...
Dec 05 13:26:39 <rwhitby> oh, and hold in the rear reset button on redboot boot to get networking available in redboot so you can tftp images across
Dec 05 13:29:29 <rwhitby> ok, I'm done.  ping me if you need anything else :-)
Dec 05 13:39:11 <blogic> nope
Dec 05 13:39:16 <blogic> ok
Dec 05 13:55:49 <iurgi> back
Dec 05 13:56:16 <iurgi> what is fsg3?
Dec 05 13:58:13 <iurgi> ah, the device you got, right, blogic?
Dec 05 13:58:18 <blogic> yeah
Dec 05 13:58:22 <iurgi> ok
Dec 05 14:30:32 <chihchun> ln -s ../../../target/fonera2 openwrt/target/linux/
Dec 05 14:30:32 <chihchun> fonera2?
Dec 05 14:30:57 <iurgi> ?
Dec 05 14:31:09 <iurgi> what's that chihchun
Dec 05 14:31:09 <iurgi> ?
Dec 05 14:31:35 <chihchun> oh, the target profile changed from fonera to fonera2
Dec 05 14:33:18 <iurgi> chihchun: want access to the svn?
Dec 05 14:33:25 <blogic> chihchun: yes
Dec 05 14:33:35 <blogic> chihchun: so we can add the others aswell :)
Dec 05 14:33:54 <chihchun> others means other platform?
Dec 05 14:33:57 <iurgi> some day
Dec 05 14:34:07 <blogic> iurgi: :)
Dec 05 14:34:15 <iurgi> blogic: :)
Dec 05 14:56:28 <pablo_bz> blogic
Dec 05 14:56:52 <pablo_bz> i remember you said something about wrong blank spaces appearing as red with a plugin in vim
Dec 05 14:57:09 <blogic> yes
Dec 05 14:57:11 <blogic> 1 sec
Dec 05 14:57:42 <blogic> hi link localWhitespaceError Error
Dec 05 14:57:42 <blogic> au Syntax * syn match localWhitespaceError /\(\zs\%#\|\s\)\+$/ display
Dec 05 14:57:42 <blogic> au Syntax * syn match localWhitespaceError / \+\ze\t/ display
Dec 05 14:57:42 <blogic> map <F5> ^ilog_printf("%s:%s[%d]\n", __FILE__, __func__, __LINE__);<CR><ESC>^
Dec 05 14:57:42 <blogic> map <F6> ^iprintk("%s:%s[%d]\n", __FILE__, __func__, __LINE__);<CR><ESC>^
Dec 05 14:57:44 <blogic> map <F7> ^isyslog(0, "%s:%s[%d]\n", __FILE__, __func__, __LINE__);<CR><ESC>^
Dec 05 15:13:44 <iurgi> wtf?
Dec 05 15:18:46 <blogic> iurgi: vim config
Dec 05 15:19:18 <blogic> pablo_bz: those commands are gold
Dec 05 15:21:21 <iurgi> blogic: yeah, but I wouldn't expect it to be so weird
Dec 05 15:21:58 <iurgi> all preceeded by : ?
Dec 05 15:22:25 <blogic> : =
Dec 05 15:22:29 <blogic> : ?
Dec 05 15:22:41 <iurgi> :map <F5> .....
Dec 05 15:22:49 <blogic> no
Dec 05 15:22:54 <blogic> ~/.vimrc
Dec 05 15:23:26 <blogic> so .....
Dec 05 15:23:35 <iurgi> ahhhhhh
Dec 05 15:23:35 <iurgi> ok
Dec 05 15:23:51 <iurgi> .... meant: I don't want to type the rest
Dec 05 15:23:58 <iurgi> :)
Dec 05 15:24:12 <blogic> i figured that out thx
Dec 05 15:24:15 <iurgi> I wasn't copy pasting
Dec 05 15:24:25 <blogic> hehe
Dec 05 15:47:55 <pablo_bz> hum
Dec 05 15:48:25 <iurgi> ham
Dec 05 15:49:11 <pablo_bz> you have mapped F5,F6,F7 for putting "i am a biscuit" statements in the code?
Dec 05 15:49:26 <pablo_bz> bummer
Dec 05 15:49:43 <pablo_bz> syslog(0, "%s:%s[%d]\n", __FILE__, __func__, __LINE__); <--- this is the german way
Dec 05 15:50:03 <blogic> ?
Dec 05 15:50:04 <blogic> ok
Dec 05 15:50:06 <pablo_bz> the spanish one is syslog(0, "i am a biscuit\n");
Dec 05 15:50:20 <blogic> but then you do not know the line
Dec 05 15:50:38 <pablo_bz> and after the shoot syslog(0, "i am a donut\n");
Dec 05 15:50:39 <blogic> f7 is for absolute emergency only
Dec 05 15:50:56 <merlin> Hi guys!
Dec 05 15:51:00 <blogic> lo merlin
Dec 05 15:51:00 <iurgi> hi
Dec 05 15:51:01 <pablo_bz> of course you can figure out the line. so much information dumb down yourself
Dec 05 15:51:04 <iurgi> long time no see
Dec 05 15:51:05 <merlin> Just received a mail from new firmware? =)
Dec 05 15:51:10 <iurgi> yes
Dec 05 15:51:14 <merlin> nice
Dec 05 15:51:19 <merlin> ye true, had some busy time...
Dec 05 15:51:24 <iurgi> well, looks like my marketing strategies work
Dec 05 15:51:25 <iurgi> lol
Dec 05 15:51:34 <merlin> hehe, yes they do!
Dec 05 15:51:35 <merlin> any translations yet? =P
Dec 05 15:51:43 <blogic> merlin: working on it this very moment
Dec 05 15:51:50 <merlin> cool =)
Dec 05 15:59:14 <merlin2> The SSH gives me an error, password incorrect (For root / admin)
Dec 05 16:00:03 <blogic> well
Dec 05 16:00:10 <blogic> what os ?
Dec 05 16:00:37 <merlin2> Windows
Dec 05 16:00:38 <merlin2> putty
Dec 05 16:00:45 <merlin2> connect 192.168.10.1
Dec 05 16:00:50 <merlin2> port 22 (SSH)
Dec 05 16:00:59 <merlin2> username: root / pass: admin
Dec 05 16:01:14 <iurgi> merlin, does it work via web?
Dec 05 16:01:29 <iurgi> merlin2, does it work via web?
Dec 05 16:01:45 <merlin2> lets see
Dec 05 16:02:05 <merlin2> nvm :')
Dec 05 16:02:11 <merlin2> the pass changed since I changed it xD
Dec 05 16:02:16 <iurgi> ;)
Dec 05 16:02:31 <merlin2> just blindly followed the instructions =P
Dec 05 16:02:31 <iurgi> ssh works now, then?
Dec 05 16:02:36 <merlin2> jups =)
Dec 05 16:02:38 <iurgi> cool
Dec 05 16:04:09 <merlin2> haha, that download bar in SSH is like uber cool =P
Dec 05 16:04:36 <iurgi> what download bar?
Dec 05 16:04:37 <iurgi> wget?
Dec 05 16:05:35 <inouk> who just got a mail here?
Dec 05 16:05:38 <merlin2> yeah =P
Dec 05 16:05:44 <merlin2> I did =)
Dec 05 16:05:52 <inouk> 1
Dec 05 16:06:39 <voorstad> Time for Sinterklaas, who comes every year from Madrid to the Netherlands...! bfn.
Dec 05 16:06:53 <iurgi> now?
Dec 05 16:06:58 <iurgi> I thought it was the 24th
Dec 05 16:07:06 <voorstad> yes, december 5!
Dec 05 16:07:10 <iurgi> wow
Dec 05 16:07:16 <iurgi> will you get any presents?
Dec 05 16:07:26 <voorstad> yep
Dec 05 16:07:31 <voorstad> unbricked fonera :-)
Dec 05 16:07:35 <iurgi> lucky you
Dec 05 16:07:37 <iurgi> hahahaha
Dec 05 16:09:10 <voorstad> http://www.thehollandring.com/sinterklaas.shtml
Dec 05 16:09:16 <voorstad> bye!
Dec 05 16:45:01 <merlin> Nice, flashing / upgrading worked =)
Dec 05 16:46:40 <iurgi> :)
Dec 05 16:50:47 <barbon> goodevening :)
Dec 05 16:51:25 <barbon> i have tryed to attach a printer usb to the fonera
Dec 05 16:51:34 <barbon> i can see the printer name on the page
Dec 05 16:51:53 <barbon> Printer Settings
Dec 05 16:51:55 <barbon> Most USB printers will work with the La Fonera. Please see the fon wiki for more detailed instructions.
Dec 05 16:51:57 <barbon> The following printers are currently attached Manufacturer	Device HP	Photosmart C5200 series
Dec 05 16:52:14 <barbon> but i cant see it on the network...
Dec 05 16:52:23 <barbon> so i cant use it ^^
Dec 05 16:53:29 <iurgi> you are not supposed to see it on the network
Dec 05 16:53:37 <iurgi> I thought the wiki had some info about this
Dec 05 16:56:36 <barbon> also if i try to connect to \\192.168.10.254\ it ask user and pass: i put user fonero and my pass
Dec 05 16:56:44 <barbon> but this dont work :/
Dec 05 16:57:19 <barbon> i try to see wiki
Dec 05 16:57:30 <iurgi> do you have samba enabled?
Dec 05 16:57:52 <iurgi> that \\192.168.10.254\ is for samba
Dec 05 16:58:41 <barbon> i have enabled Windows Network Shares
Dec 05 16:58:45 <barbon> service
Dec 05 16:58:51 <barbon> on fonera config
Dec 05 16:59:46 <iurgi> ok
Dec 05 16:59:56 <iurgi> do you have a pen drive attached to it?
Dec 05 17:00:07 <iurgi> because that's only for hard drive sharing
Dec 05 17:00:15 <iurgi> the network si not shared using samba
Dec 05 17:00:24 <iurgi> sorry
Dec 05 17:00:34 <iurgi> the printer is not shared using samba
Dec 05 17:00:37 <iurgi> for the printer
Dec 05 17:00:42 <barbon> so what i have to do?
Dec 05 17:00:46 <iurgi> you need to go to your windows: add new printer
Dec 05 17:00:53 <iurgi> network printer
Dec 05 17:00:57 <barbon> tryed, cant see it
Dec 05 17:01:12 <iurgi> address: 192.168.10.1 (why 192.168.10.254??)
Dec 05 17:01:23 <iurgi> port 9100
Dec 05 17:01:34 <iurgi> or something like that
Dec 05 17:01:38 <iurgi> I think it's in the wiki
Dec 05 17:01:41 <iurgi> did you check it?
Dec 05 17:01:45 <barbon> yes
Dec 05 17:01:58 <barbon> i gonna to test now
Dec 05 17:02:01 <barbon> brb
Dec 05 17:02:59 <iurgi> http://wiki.fon.com/wiki/Fonera_2.0_Printer
Dec 05 17:03:04 <iurgi> please, check that
Dec 05 17:03:08 <iurgi> everything is explained there
Dec 05 18:34:33 <barbon> hi agai, iurgi you are here?
Dec 05 18:35:28 <barbon> i have installed the printer sucefull
Dec 05 18:35:39 <barbon> but when i print, it print blank pages XD
Dec 05 19:15:20 <barbon> iurgi when you are here read my message, ty :)
Dec 05 21:41:50 <barbon> somesone here? :)
Dec 05 21:42:13 <pablo_bz> barbon: blank pages?
Dec 05 21:42:21 <barbon> yea
Dec 05 21:42:24 <barbon> white pages
Dec 05 21:42:30 <barbon> at 100% white
Dec 05 21:42:36 <barbon> an 0% printed
Dec 05 21:43:15 <pablo_bz> that's the ecological feature
Dec 05 21:43:31 <pablo_bz> see, it saves ink, and you can print everything in the same page
Dec 05 21:48:22 <barbon> lol
Dec 05 21:48:39 <pablo_bz> you are using windows?
Dec 05 21:48:43 <barbon> yes
Dec 05 21:48:51 <barbon> the print is connected to fonera 2
Dec 05 21:48:54 <pablo_bz> did the printer work before specifying TCP port
Dec 05 21:49:17 <barbon> i installed the printer using the ip
Dec 05 21:49:27 <barbon> 192.168.10.1
Dec 05 21:49:41 <pablo_bz> i mean, are you sure that when connecting with the same settings and USB port from your machine you are getting non-blank pages?
Dec 05 21:49:52 <barbon> ah
Dec 05 21:49:58 <barbon> it work
Dec 05 21:50:02 <barbon> if i connect by usb ^^
Dec 05 21:50:07 <pablo_bz> aha
Dec 05 21:50:20 <pablo_bz> then it is really weird
Dec 05 21:54:55 <barbon> maybe firmware bug?
Dec 05 21:56:27 <pablo_bz> if you try to print 5 pages you get 5 blank pages, or just one?
Dec 05 21:57:24 <barbon> 5 blank pages
Dec 05 21:58:34 <pablo_bz> and the printer head moves as if when it prints?
Dec 05 21:59:10 <pablo_bz> i mean, the same movements? you get 5 pages and the printer spends the time doing the same as when the document is actually being printed (i.e. you connect through USB port)?
Dec 05 22:08:24 <rwhitby> We really need a way to pivot-root to rootfs on a usb stick.  internal flash is way to small and slow.
Dec 05 22:08:24 <barbon> yea
Dec 05 22:08:31 <barbon> ah
Dec 05 22:08:41 <barbon> the testin dont move when printed in wireless
Dec 05 22:08:57 <barbon> they make some mechanical sound
Dec 05 22:17:41 <barbon> i use hp hotosmart
Dec 05 22:23:04 <pablo_bz> rwhitby: what we need is a way to seamlessly mount external filesystem images (for plugins)
Dec 05 22:36:36 <kazwo> iam so drunk *loud singingÜ*
Dec 05 22:38:34 <rwhitby> pablo_bz: but they need to mount on / or /usr, so installed packages have enough room for the programs themselves.
Dec 05 22:38:41 <rwhitby> which means pivot-root.
Dec 05 22:40:58 <rwhitby> unless a scheme like optware is used, where all installable packages have all files under a mountable /opt or something ...
Dec 05 23:11:40 <pablo_bz> rwhitby: indeed
Dec 05 23:12:24 <pablo_bz> rwhitby: packages have to be made on purpouse for la fonera anyway, and all things you find out there accept a configure --prefix=/whateve
Dec 05 23:15:55 <merlin> Dudes, I have a very unique picture =P
Dec 05 23:16:08 <merlin> You can only make it once ! http://merlinstoll.nl/imgdump/Fon/fonflash.jpg
Dec 05 23:16:10 <merlin> =P
Dec 05 23:53:26 <rwhitby> pablo_bz: I don't think I'll be recompiling all the openwrt packages with a different prefix thanks.
Dec 05 23:53:37 <rwhitby> I'll work out how to pivot-root to a large flash stick instead.
Dec 05 23:54:12 <rwhitby> (I maintain the optware repository, so I know all about --prefix)
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