**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 11 02:59:57 2008
Dec 11 05:03:29 <rwhitby> blogic, iurgi: does asterisk14 fail to build for you?
Dec 11 09:01:43 <blogic> rwhitby: never tried it
Dec 11 09:12:01 <iurgi> hi
Dec 11 09:12:07 <iurgi> rwhitby: neither me
Dec 11 09:12:57 <rwhitby> it compiles for ixp4xx on openwrt 8.09 - dunno why it doesn't compile from fon package repo ...
Dec 11 09:13:28 <rwhitby> one reason why you guys shouldn't have copies of packages from openwrt in your repo that you've never compiled for fon2.
Dec 11 09:15:28 <rwhitby> I'll try compiling for 8.09 atheros to see if it's a fon-specific failure
Dec 11 09:18:09 <iurgi> ok, thanks
Dec 11 10:03:15 <rwhitby> iurgi: seems the bluetooth failure I was seeing is not confined to the fon2 - it occurs for 8.09 on ixp4xx too.
Dec 11 10:05:52 <iurgi> ok, thanks! :)
Dec 11 10:06:27 <blogic> rwhitby: which kernel version you running on fsg3
Dec 11 10:06:29 <blogic> ?
Dec 11 10:07:22 <rwhitby> current 8.09 branch
Dec 11 10:07:50 <rwhitby> 2.6.26.6
Dec 11 12:43:39 <kazwo> \o/
Dec 11 12:51:40 <blogic> lo kazwo
Dec 11 12:52:29 <kazwo> blogic : what happens if i connect more than one webcam?
Dec 11 12:54:16 <blogic> the fon explodes
Dec 11 12:54:21 <blogic> DONT DO IT
Dec 11 12:54:25 <blogic> PLEASE DONT !!!!
Dec 11 12:54:45 <kazwo> OMG OMG OMG *PANIC*
Dec 11 12:54:48 <iurgi> I got my eye popped out because of that
Dec 11 12:54:56 * kazwo runs in circles
Dec 11 12:55:52 <kazwo> iurgi: pirate style now?
Dec 11 12:56:06 <iurgi> no, I put it back in the hole
Dec 11 12:56:45 <kazwo> and it works like before?
Dec 11 12:57:05 <iurgi> no...
Dec 11 12:57:12 <iurgi> it's looking backwards
Dec 11 12:57:14 <iurgi> lol
Dec 11 12:57:48 <kazwo> strange :D
Dec 11 12:59:18 <blogic> kazwo: he is basque, they are starange
Dec 11 12:59:19 <blogic> :)
Dec 11 13:00:02 <iurgi> me: http://www.kccert.net/images/pictures/12/48.thumb.jpg
Dec 11 13:00:09 <iurgi> so...
Dec 11 13:00:15 <iurgi> don't connect more than 1 webcam
Dec 11 13:00:20 <iurgi> \o/
Dec 11 13:00:38 <kazwo> i think that hurts
Dec 11 14:16:13 <mib_9jz00x> hi guys
Dec 11 14:16:25 <blogic> lo
Dec 11 14:16:49 <mib_9jz00x> finally flasing alfred worked but it seems that the first flash destryed something on my fonera
Dec 11 14:17:13 <mib_9jz00x> the box does not restart any more after pulling the plug out
Dec 11 14:17:27 <mib_9jz00x> internet green light on and status led stays on orange
Dec 11 14:17:52 <mib_9jz00x> anyone a clue what can be done ybout t ?
Dec 11 14:19:15 <blogic> ok
Dec 11 14:19:25 <blogic> do a fis list please and tell me the output
Dec 11 14:21:55 <mib_9jz00x> ok one second
Dec 11 14:23:48 <mib_9jz00x> ok
Dec 11 14:23:55 <mib_9jz00x> I hav the following repsonse
Dec 11 14:24:22 <mib_9jz00x> Redboot/Image/ FIS directoty/ Redboot config
Dec 11 14:24:40 <mib_9jz00x> do you need mor info ?
Dec 11 14:25:37 <blogic> no
Dec 11 14:25:43 <blogic> pastebin.com
Dec 11 14:26:11 <mib_9jz00x> what is pastebin.com
Dec 11 14:26:22 <blogic> you can paste text and output there
Dec 11 14:26:29 <blogic> and send me the id, so i can look at it
Dec 11 14:26:34 <blogic> 1 sec
Dec 11 14:26:58 <mib_9jz00x> ah ok
Dec 11 14:26:59 <blogic> http://pastebin.com/m68ce78a2
Dec 11 14:28:52 <mib_9jz00x> just that my fonera is connected to the ethernet port of my pc and I do not have internet access on the machine while the fonera is connected ...
Dec 11 14:29:29 <mib_9jz00x> stop yes have internet thrugh wifi one second
Dec 11 14:30:41 <mib_9jz00x> ok how can do a cut and paste with putty ?
Dec 11 14:32:30 <mib_9jz00x> do I just have to push the send button once pasted in pastebin.com
Dec 11 14:35:21 <mib_9jz00x> have you got the screenshot ?
Dec 11 14:40:08 <mib_9jz00x> did you get the cut and paste ?
Dec 11 14:40:44 <mib_9jz00x> what do you think is wrong with the config ... ?
Dec 11 14:59:29 <iurgi> mib_9jz00x: does the fonera boot?
Dec 11 15:01:51 <mib_9jz00x> yes the fonera seems to boot in a first phase I get a green Internet blinking light an a ornage status light but I think the boot process is probably interupted ...
Dec 11 15:03:52 <mib_9jz00x> I reflashed the fonera with sylvester and the problem is the same with alfred ....
Dec 11 15:05:17 <iurgi> hmmm I don't understand what you mean
Dec 11 15:05:54 <mib_9jz00x> first I got the vonera 2.0 then flaseh it with sylvester no prob
Dec 11 15:06:10 <mib_9jz00x> then alfred 2.0 came out and I flashed the fonera
Dec 11 15:06:21 <mib_9jz00x> since then the fonera does not really boot anymore
Dec 11 15:06:35 <mib_9jz00x> I reflashed with redboot but this did not help
Dec 11 15:07:35 <mib_9jz00x> then I reinstalled sylvester to ceck whether the problem comes fro alfred or sylvester and I figured out that I have the same problem with sylvetser
Dec 11 15:07:53 <mib_9jz00x> maybe the boot layer has been screwed and I do not know how to fix this
Dec 11 15:10:43 <mib_9jz00x> did you hae this kind of issue already ...
Dec 11 15:12:14 <iurgi> no
Dec 11 15:12:19 <iurgi> I don't think you broke anything
Dec 11 15:12:30 <iurgi> still, we need the passtebin of your partition table
Dec 11 15:21:01 <mib_9jz00x> I posted it it did you get it ?
Dec 11 15:39:14 <mib_new> RedBoot> fis list
Dec 11 15:39:28 <mib_new> Name              FLASH addr  Mem addr    Length      Entry point
Dec 11 15:39:43 <mib_new> RedBoot           0xA8000000  0xA8000000  0x00030000  0x00000000
Dec 11 15:39:59 <mib_new> image             0xA8030000  0x80040400  0x00430004  0x80040400
Dec 11 15:40:14 <mib_new> FIS directory     0xA87E0000  0xA87E0000  0x0000F000  0x00000000
Dec 11 15:40:25 <mib_new> RedBoot config    0xA87EF000  0xA87EF000  0x00001000  0x00000000
Dec 11 15:40:36 <mib_new> RedBoot>
Dec 11 15:41:25 <iurgi> lol
Dec 11 15:41:29 <iurgi> there's no loade
Dec 11 15:41:29 <iurgi> r
Dec 11 15:41:33 <iurgi> why did you delete it?
Dec 11 15:41:37 <iurgi> and no image2
Dec 11 15:41:40 <iurgi> XD
Dec 11 15:41:45 <mib_6xd2rb> what is image 2
Dec 11 15:41:50 <iurgi> the rescue image
Dec 11 15:41:53 <mib_6xd2rb> how can I put the loader ?
Dec 11 15:41:56 <iurgi> why did you delete loader and image2?
Dec 11 15:42:12 <iurgi> ok
Dec 11 15:42:15 <mib_6xd2rb> with the command load -r -r 0x80100000 loader.bin ?
Dec 11 15:42:16 <mib_new> Hi Iurgi I posted the cut and paste here maybe easier ... what do you think ?
Dec 11 15:42:32 <iurgi> ehr... who is who?
Dec 11 15:42:53 <iurgi> mib_new and mib_6xd2rb are the same person?
Dec 11 15:43:03 <mib_6xd2rb> how can I install the rescue image and the loader ??
Dec 11 15:43:16 <iurgi> mib_new and mib_6xd2rb are the same person?
Dec 11 15:43:24 <mib_6xd2rb> yes I am logged in two times
Dec 11 15:43:38 <iurgi> ah
Dec 11 15:43:40 <iurgi> ok
Dec 11 15:43:45 <mib_6xd2rb> because I am chatting on a separate machine than the one where the fonera is cnnnected
Dec 11 15:43:59 <mib_6xd2rb> sorry that I did not explain lol :-)
Dec 11 15:44:45 <mib_6xd2rb> I just followed the wiki but there was no explanation about the loader and the rescue image .... can I fin these commands somewhere ?
Dec 11 15:45:21 <iurgi> ok ok
Dec 11 15:45:52 <iurgi> at some point you deleted the loader and the image2
Dec 11 15:46:32 <mib_6xd2rb> I think it happened when I first installed alfred ....
Dec 11 15:46:40 <mib_6xd2rb> since then the fonera is stuck
Dec 11 15:46:46 <iurgi> something before that
Dec 11 15:46:49 <iurgi> let me read the wiki
Dec 11 15:47:19 <mib_6xd2rb> ok waiting for you
Dec 11 15:47:48 <mib_6xd2rb> I only did
Dec 11 15:47:52 <mib_6xd2rb> RedBoot> load -r -b %{FREEMEMLO} openwrt-fonera.image
Dec 11 15:47:56 <mib_6xd2rb> fis delete image
Dec 11 15:48:00 <mib_6xd2rb> fis create image
Dec 11 15:48:48 <iurgi> hmmm
Dec 11 15:48:48 <iurgi> nope
Dec 11 15:48:52 <iurgi> something else happened
Dec 11 15:48:57 <iurgi> but anyway, don't worry
Dec 11 15:49:02 <iurgi> it's not difficult to fix it
Dec 11 15:52:55 <mib_6xd2rb> ok interesting ...
Dec 11 15:53:05 <mib_6xd2rb> what else did you discover ...
Dec 11 15:55:29 <iurgi> nothing
Dec 11 15:55:30 <iurgi> :)
Dec 11 15:56:58 <mib_6xd2rb> is there a special command to restore ??
Dec 11 16:01:16 <iurgi> I'm working on the wiki
Dec 11 16:01:23 <iurgi> will have it ready in a few mins
Dec 11 16:03:28 <mib_6xd2rb> oki :-)
Dec 11 16:14:02 <kazwo> i plugged in 2 webcams and ....
Dec 11 16:15:09 <kazwo> it eat my refrigerator empty :(
Dec 11 16:19:28 <iurgi> wiki edition is crap
Dec 11 16:19:34 <iurgi> kazwo: lol
Dec 11 16:19:41 <iurgi> we warned you
Dec 11 16:20:22 <kazwo> losing an eye is ok .... no food is bad!
Dec 11 16:23:00 <iurgi> hehehe
Dec 11 16:25:17 <mib_6xd2rb> are you all working full time on fonera development ?
Dec 11 16:25:26 <iurgi> no
Dec 11 16:28:19 <mib_6xd2rb> pure fun :-)
Dec 11 16:28:49 <mib_6xd2rb> seems quite complex ... I am new to all this and I find it very cool
Dec 11 16:30:22 <iurgi> pure fun?
Dec 11 16:30:24 <iurgi> not at all
Dec 11 16:30:29 <iurgi> it's my full time job
Dec 11 16:30:34 <iurgi> but not only the fonera
Dec 11 16:30:39 <iurgi> I do other stuff as well
Dec 11 16:30:48 <iurgi> I'm no expert on this, unfortunately
Dec 11 16:30:53 <iurgi> but we have real experts around ;)
Dec 11 16:33:33 <blogic> where ?
Dec 11 16:35:27 <mib_6xd2rb> eheh
Dec 11 16:35:57 <mib_6xd2rb> what other stuff are you working on ?
Dec 11 16:36:01 <mib_6xd2rb> if I may ask ?
Dec 11 16:38:39 <iurgi> well I basically manage the firmware deparment
Dec 11 16:39:10 <iurgi> which is the foneras, the communications with the servers and assisting other manufacturers/ISPs to put fon in their devices
Dec 11 16:39:25 <iurgi> and then many other non firmware/tech related stuff
Dec 11 16:39:25 <mib_6xd2rb> ok understand interesting indeed ...
Dec 11 16:39:35 <mib_6xd2rb> what I find amazing with fonera
Dec 11 16:39:36 <iurgi> meetings and meetings and meetings
Dec 11 16:39:37 <iurgi> lol
Dec 11 16:40:02 <mib_6xd2rb> is that there is no other router the market which has all these features .... especially the 3G gateway
Dec 11 16:40:27 <mib_6xd2rb> meetings you have in all the jobs lol
Dec 11 16:40:31 <blogic> mib_6xd2rb: we have lots of new stuff coming up :)
Dec 11 16:40:34 <blogic> lo CyrusFF
Dec 11 16:40:39 <blogic> CyrusFF: nice stats :)
Dec 11 16:40:53 <CyrusFF> hehe thx
Dec 11 16:41:09 <mib_6xd2rb> I imagine ...
Dec 11 16:41:23 <mib_6xd2rb> will the new fonera be b/g and n wifi ?
Dec 11 16:42:02 <blogic>  /* no comment */
Dec 11 16:42:04 <mib_6xd2rb> I still don't understand why I blew up the loader but anyway ... learning by doing lol
Dec 11 16:42:12 <blogic> hehe
Dec 11 16:42:30 <iurgi> mib_6xd2rb: don't worry, it's ok
Dec 11 16:42:31 <mib_6xd2rb> no comment accepted LOL ;-)
Dec 11 16:42:33 <iurgi> wiki is updated
Dec 11 16:42:39 <iurgi> I only need to find the place to put the files
Dec 11 16:42:40 <iurgi> :D
Dec 11 16:42:43 <mib_6xd2rb> I am having a look
Dec 11 16:43:06 <CyrusFF> blogic: but I think we should change the color of the graph to one of the fon-colors
Dec 11 16:43:33 <iurgi> stats???
Dec 11 16:43:35 <iurgi> uhhhh
Dec 11 16:43:37 <iurgi> sounds promising
Dec 11 16:43:38 <iurgi> XD
Dec 11 16:43:40 <blogic> CyrusFF: yes, i already added a patch and added it to trunk/luci/makefile
Dec 11 16:43:46 <blogic> iurgi: not for you :)
Dec 11 16:44:16 <blogic> hte is a "if user == "iurgi" then forward(www.pr0n.com)"
Dec 11 16:44:23 <iurgi> blogic: :'(
Dec 11 16:44:27 <blogic> haha
Dec 11 16:44:29 <iurgi> ah
Dec 11 16:44:31 <iurgi> pr0n
Dec 11 16:44:34 <iurgi> ok, fine with me
Dec 11 16:44:38 <CyrusFF> lol
Dec 11 16:45:55 <mib_6xd2rb> where are you based madrid or barcelona ??
Dec 11 16:46:11 <blogic> hamburg
Dec 11 16:47:59 * iurgi is in madrid
Dec 11 16:55:03 <mib_6xd2rb> madrid is cool
Dec 11 16:55:17 <iurgi> not bad
Dec 11 16:55:20 <mib_6xd2rb> hey you did a gret work n the wiki ... very professional
Dec 11 16:55:26 <iurgi> lol
Dec 11 16:55:35 <iurgi> I don't know wiki formatting, I don't enjoy it
Dec 11 16:55:37 <mib_6xd2rb> are you all spanish or from different nationalities
Dec 11 16:55:42 <iurgi> so I did it so fast
Dec 11 16:55:44 <iurgi> basque
Dec 11 16:56:09 <iurgi> born in the french state and living in Spain
Dec 11 16:56:56 <pm2036> basque is not a nationalities :p
Dec 11 16:57:14 <pm2036> s/nationalities/nationality
Dec 11 17:00:15 <mib_6xd2rb> ah ok so you speak french too ?
Dec 11 17:00:35 <mib_6xd2rb> next time I log in on irc I will lo in with my nick /gemelli
Dec 11 17:01:00 <mib_6xd2rb> you are very nice people to me ... must be fun to work with you
Dec 11 17:01:26 <mib_6xd2rb> by the way I am working for a media company and we also own Antena 3 and Onda Cero in spain
Dec 11 17:01:32 <kazwo> try /nick gemelli
Dec 11 17:05:53 <iurgi>  I can't speak french
Dec 11 17:06:14 <iurgi> well, basque is a nation, and a 'country' not a state
Dec 11 17:06:22 <iurgi> it's actually named "basque country" ;)
Dec 11 17:06:57 <iurgi> mib_6xd2rb: really? what company is that?
Dec 11 17:09:20 <mib_6xd2rb> ok so lets leave it with english then :-)
Dec 11 17:09:25 <mib_6xd2rb> RTL Group
Dec 11 17:09:32 <mib_6xd2rb> based in Luxembourg
Dec 11 17:10:06 <pm2036> yeah, les grosses têtes!
Dec 11 17:10:43 <pm2036> (it's a french radio program on RTL^^)
Dec 11 17:11:54 <mib_6xd2rb> yes les grosses tetes for instance :-)
Dec 11 17:12:13 <mib_6xd2rb> cauet on funradio too ... but he left us last year
Dec 11 17:13:03 <pm2036> cauet come from my department^^
Dec 11 17:13:18 <pm2036> but i'm not so happy!
Dec 11 17:15:24 <mib_6xd2rb> why are you not s happy ?
Dec 11 17:22:30 <pm2036> because he doesn't give a good image of the region ^^
Dec 11 17:25:44 <iurgi> what is your region?
Dec 11 17:27:03 <pm2036> iurgi: picardie
Dec 11 17:27:11 <pm2036> in the north of france
Dec 11 17:27:13 <iurgi> c'est ou?
Dec 11 17:27:15 <iurgi> ok
Dec 11 17:27:20 <pm2036> lol
Dec 11 17:27:23 <pm2036> au dessus de paris
Dec 11 17:27:37 <iurgi> okay, merci ;)
Dec 11 17:28:10 <mib_6xd2rb> yeah but he is a real nice guy also in real life ...
Dec 11 17:28:43 <pm2036> <mib_6xd2rb>: i don't doubt on it ;)
Dec 11 17:28:50 <mib_6xd2rb> f you see Dany Boon he really promoted his region by making fun of the Chti's
Dec 11 17:29:02 <sylvainzimmer> hi there
Dec 11 17:29:10 <mib_6xd2rb> hi
Dec 11 17:29:45 <mib_6xd2rb> but I don't want to monopoize the fnosfera irc with RTL stuff LOL :-)
Dec 11 17:30:27 <pm2036> mib_6xd2rb: not important until we will be kicked^^
Dec 11 17:44:34 <mib_6xd2rb> ok guys I will try to reflash my fonera tonight ... and leaving the office for now for un petit appertitif :-)) enjoy your evening cu soon
Dec 11 17:47:00 <iurgi> mib_6xd2rb: you can't you have no image2 or loader
Dec 11 17:47:06 <iurgi> well, you have loader, not image2
Dec 11 17:50:00 <pm2036> iurgi: when I plug a usb hub and a usb key on it, and the fonera doesn't do anything, I have got a problem?
Dec 11 17:50:17 <iurgi> ehr... maybe
Dec 11 17:50:19 <iurgi> dmesg?
Dec 11 17:50:22 <iurgi> nothing?
Dec 11 17:50:50 <pm2036> no nothing!
Dec 11 17:51:02 <iurgi> does the usb work on other computers?
Dec 11 17:51:10 <pm2036> yes ;)
Dec 11 17:53:18 <iurgi> the hub is 2.0?
Dec 11 17:54:03 <pm2036> yes
Dec 11 17:54:25 <pm2036> and this 2 devices work fine with sylvester
Dec 11 17:54:42 <pm2036> http://pastebin.ca/1282811
Dec 11 17:58:48 <sylvainzimmer> Is it possible to upload an Alfred .image file on a 2.0.1r1
Dec 11 17:59:31 <sylvainzimmer> ?
Dec 11 18:05:19 <mib_6xd2rb> yes I just noticd that the links on the wiki go to this page
Dec 11 18:05:21 <mib_6xd2rb> Editing Here From FON Wiki Beta Jump to: navigation, search You've followed a link to a page that doesn't exist yet.  To create the page, start typing in the box below (see the help page for more info). If you are here by mistake, just click your browser's back button.
Dec 11 18:06:25 <mib_6xd2rb> can I use sylvester as image2 ??
Dec 11 18:07:39 <iurgi> sylvainzimmer: yes, it's possible
Dec 11 18:07:46 <iurgi> use "ssh method" from wiki, please
Dec 11 18:07:48 <sylvainzimmer> because I get "this is not a FON upgrade image or hotfix"
Dec 11 18:07:51 <sylvainzimmer> ok
Dec 11 18:08:07 <iurgi> mib_6xd2rb: yes, I told you, I didn't have the files around
Dec 11 18:08:11 <iurgi> I'll add them asap
Dec 11 18:12:29 <mib_new> oki doki ... will check when I arrive home and will have some fun to get the fonera going again :-)
Dec 11 19:33:03 <sylvainzimmer> There seems to be a md5sum mismatch on the zlib package on fonera.be/rep/FON2202
Dec 11 19:33:13 <sylvainzimmer> anyone knows how to report/fix that?
Dec 11 19:44:44 <sylvainzimmer> iurgi: thanks btw, the upgrade worked fine with ssh
Dec 11 20:29:04 <pm2036> iurgi: after a total reflash, the usb works fine
Dec 11 21:23:06 <onofff> hi all
Dec 11 21:23:17 <onofff> need some help installing a ipkg package
Dec 11 21:23:40 <pm2036> tar xzvf my_package.ipk
Dec 11 21:23:51 <pm2036> tar xzvf data.tar.gz -C /
Dec 11 21:24:01 <onofff> :) lets try
Dec 11 21:24:08 <xMff> from within /tmp
Dec 11 21:24:13 <xMff> saves time and space ;)
Dec 11 21:24:15 <onofff> humm
Dec 11 21:24:17 <pm2036> of course :)
Dec 11 21:24:28 <onofff> i'm trying ind the usb flash drive
Dec 11 21:24:45 <onofff> so its /mounts/Disc-A1/folder
Dec 11 21:24:52 <onofff> could it be?
Dec 11 21:26:44 <sylvainzimmer_> I've copied ddns, azureus and youtube on my fonera2, restarted lucittpd, but only ddns shows up in the web interface. is there a reason for that?
Dec 11 22:04:38 <onofff> sorry again
Dec 11 22:04:47 <onofff> any one can tell me how to install ipkg on fonera?
Dec 11 22:07:30 <sylvainzimmer> Actually, my "azureus not showing issue" seems to be a display problem on the dashboard, because I can still access http://192.168.10.1/luci/azureus
Dec 11 22:07:43 <onofff> i don't :s
Dec 11 22:09:28 <onofff> i can't acess http://192.168.10.1/luci/azureus
Dec 11 22:09:32 <onofff> give me not found
Dec 11 22:09:42 <sylvainzimmer> try running my script
Dec 11 22:09:50 <onofff> where?
Dec 11 22:10:01 <onofff> where i can get it?
Dec 11 22:10:11 <sylvainzimmer> http://pastebin.com/m69ff257
Dec 11 22:10:17 <onofff> humm
Dec 11 22:11:59 <onofff>  /tmp ./1.sh: line 6: module: not found ./1.sh: line 8: syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting ")")
Dec 11 22:11:59 <onofff> error
Dec 11 22:12:21 <onofff> i saved your scritp as 1.sh
Dec 11 22:12:25 <onofff> and run ./1.sh
Dec 11 22:16:05 <sylvainzimmer> it's a python script
Dec 11 22:16:07 <sylvainzimmer> sorry
Dec 11 22:16:16 <onofff> how can i run it?
Dec 11 22:16:20 <sylvainzimmer> python xxx.py
Dec 11 22:16:27 <sylvainzimmer> python xxx.py luci-azureus actually
Dec 11 22:16:44 <sylvainzimmer> (cd luci/application ; python xxx.py luci-azureus)
Dec 11 22:18:55 <onofff> -ash: python: not found
Dec 11 22:19:59 <CyrusFF> sylvainzimmer: its not a display problem on a dashboard its a "you have copied the files but not registered the plugin"-plugin
Dec 11 22:20:07 <CyrusFF> *-problem
Dec 11 22:20:14 <sylvainzimmer> right! how to do that?
Dec 11 22:24:09 <sylvainzimmer> :(
Dec 11 22:24:26 <onofff> but does azureus runs naturally by http://192.168.10.1/luci/azureus ?
Dec 11 22:24:36 <onofff> did it works fine?
Dec 11 22:29:24 <sylvainzimmer> didn't test it
Dec 11 22:37:16 <pablo_bz> whats up guys
Dec 11 22:38:07 <sylvainzimmer> trying to write a fonera plugin ;-)
Dec 11 22:38:23 <sylvainzimmer> u?
Dec 11 22:38:35 <pablo_bz> sylvainzimmer: and how is it going? do you need any specific help?
Dec 11 22:38:48 <sylvainzimmer> oh yes I'd love that ;-)
Dec 11 22:39:05 <pablo_bz> tell me, what do you want the plugin do?
Dec 11 22:39:12 <sylvainzimmer> for instance, I've copied azureus on the fonera but I don't know how to register it as a plugin on the dashboard
Dec 11 22:39:23 <pablo_bz> ah, that's a LUCI issue
Dec 11 22:39:34 <pablo_bz> neither i know
Dec 11 22:39:54 <sylvainzimmer> ok!
Dec 11 22:40:02 <pablo_bz> but for the rest
Dec 11 22:40:10 <sylvainzimmer> not a severe problem, if I put mine in fon_services, it shows up
Dec 11 22:41:07 <pablo_bz> so, your plugin will be the azureus one? aren't we doing duplicate work here?
Dec 11 22:41:14 <sylvainzimmer> oh, no
Dec 11 22:41:22 <sylvainzimmer> I'm writing a prototype jamendo plugin
Dec 11 22:41:25 <pablo_bz> aaah
Dec 11 22:41:27 <pablo_bz> jamendo?
Dec 11 22:41:30 <sylvainzimmer> to stream webradios
Dec 11 22:41:43 <pablo_bz> i see
Dec 11 22:41:46 <pablo_bz> using what player?
Dec 11 22:42:03 <sylvainzimmer> well I got madplay to work
Dec 11 22:42:10 <sylvainzimmer> http://pm2036.francofon.fr/fonera2.0/audio/README
Dec 11 22:42:17 <pablo_bz> madplay, you succesfully cross-compiled it?
Dec 11 22:42:31 <sylvainzimmer> I don't have received my usb stick yet so I can't test the actual audio but madplay runs
Dec 11 22:42:37 <sylvainzimmer> I got it from fonera.be packages
Dec 11 22:42:51 <pablo_bz> great, great
Dec 11 22:43:03 <sylvainzimmer> now I'm into luci templating stuff
Dec 11 22:43:04 <pablo_bz> your usb stick?
Dec 11 22:43:10 <sylvainzimmer> usb audio interface
Dec 11 22:43:14 <pablo_bz> ah
Dec 11 22:43:19 <pablo_bz> we ordered some
Dec 11 22:43:21 <pablo_bz> also
Dec 11 22:43:27 <sylvainzimmer> nice. do you work at fon?
Dec 11 22:43:37 <pablo_bz> so i do
Dec 11 22:43:46 <sylvainzimmer> cool
Dec 11 22:44:02 <pablo_bz> not now, obviously, but this is the community part :)
Dec 11 22:44:47 <pablo_bz> i've been exposed to openwrt, but my work was somehow mainly on the server software and the client counterpart
Dec 11 22:45:00 <sylvainzimmer> okay.
Dec 11 22:45:17 <pablo_bz> that "fonsmcd" you have running wich send the heartbeats to our "Cthulhu" servers
Dec 11 22:45:22 <sylvainzimmer> I've found this reference which is quite handy http://dev.luci.freifunk-halle.net/luci-doc/modules/luci.sys.html
Dec 11 22:46:08 <sylvainzimmer> pablo_bz: in your opinion, what would be the best way to play a shoutcast stream on the fonera?
Dec 11 22:46:21 <pablo_bz> mplayer?
Dec 11 22:46:30 <pablo_bz> but it is a _big_ executable, isn't it?
Dec 11 22:46:30 <sylvainzimmer> pm2036 uses wget | madplay, it works but I don't think it's rock solid ;)
Dec 11 22:46:35 <sylvainzimmer> yes I think
Dec 11 22:47:10 <pablo_bz> i foresee plugins running in loopback file devices mounted from unexpensive usb sticks
Dec 11 22:48:17 <pablo_bz> so you can make a 20 MB .tgz file with mplayer on it and a neat interface
Dec 11 22:48:38 <pablo_bz> and get it installed seamlessly in a usb stick you have always plugged into your usb hub
Dec 11 22:49:01 <pablo_bz> :) the plan is already laid :)
Dec 11 22:50:05 <pablo_bz> now you can do it yourself
Dec 11 22:50:28 <pablo_bz> compile mplayer with --prefix=/wherelafoneramountsyourusbstick
Dec 11 22:50:34 <pablo_bz> for example
Dec 11 22:50:37 <sylvainzimmer> yep
Dec 11 22:50:46 <pablo_bz> and put the executables on the stick
Dec 11 22:51:04 <sylvainzimmer> I don't know though if we need something as big as mplayer
Dec 11 22:51:16 <pablo_bz> in the near future the addons format will do that seamlessly, but your entire makefile work will work with it with no changes
Dec 11 22:51:30 <sylvainzimmer> just to pipe a couple of bytes to /dev/dsp ;-)
Dec 11 22:51:38 <pablo_bz> :)
Dec 11 22:51:45 <pablo_bz> it has good streaming capabilities
Dec 11 22:52:31 <pablo_bz> the question is if there are better solutions in terms of _RAM_ used
Dec 11 22:52:39 <pablo_bz> and of course
Dec 11 22:52:48 <sylvainzimmer> some control of the buffer would be nice
Dec 11 22:53:07 <pablo_bz> if you are doing a jamendo plugin and you find that some other lighter and nicer player will do, your plugin will sport it :)
Dec 11 22:53:26 <sylvainzimmer> :)
Dec 11 22:53:26 <pablo_bz> because people streaming from jamendo will not use other plugin-streamers :)
Dec 11 22:53:38 <pablo_bz> since they have only one brain at a time to hear music:)
Dec 11 22:53:46 <sylvainzimmer> any idea why this doesn't work : <option value="301" <% if jamendo_radioid == "301" then %> selected="selected" <% end %> >Lounge</option>
Dec 11 22:53:56 <sylvainzimmer> This outputs correctly : Selected radio : <%=jamendo_radioid%>
Dec 11 22:54:00 <pablo_bz> (will not use simultaneously)
Dec 11 22:54:12 <sylvainzimmer> yep that's one of the last things that are hard to multitask :)
Dec 11 22:54:33 <pablo_bz> :)
Dec 11 22:55:06 <rwhitby> iurgi, blogic: what is the long term plan for package installation larger than the inbuilt flash.  are you intending to (a) not support it and leave it to the community, (b) fully support opkg destinations other than root by default, or (c) support a pivot-root solution ?
Dec 11 22:55:24 <pablo_bz> if jamendo_radioid == "301" then end ?
Dec 11 22:55:36 <sylvainzimmer> so in my template I see "Selected radio : 301" but the "if" doesn't work
Dec 11 22:56:11 <sylvainzimmer> am I doing something wrong?
Dec 11 22:56:28 <pablo_bz> i guess it is because you are not putting something between the "then" and the "end" in the if clause
Dec 11 22:56:50 <sylvainzimmer> the HTML between the then and the end doesn't do it?
Dec 11 22:56:51 <pablo_bz> because selected="selected" is not into the lua part of the file :)
Dec 11 22:56:56 <pablo_bz> i guess not
Dec 11 22:56:58 <sylvainzimmer> ah ok
Dec 11 22:57:11 <pablo_bz> you will have to _print it conditionally_
Dec 11 22:57:52 <pablo_bz> so put the entire if clause between <% .... %>, printing the thing between the "then" and "else" and probably you will have better luck
Dec 11 22:58:33 <pablo_bz> i am guessing, since i have not used luci that way, but know about lua scripting and the PHP <% %> scape mode
Dec 11 22:59:56 <sylvainzimmer> yes
Dec 11 22:59:59 <pablo_bz> something like <option value="301" <%if jamendo_radioid == "301" then print "selected=\"selected\"" end %>
Dec 11 23:00:59 <pablo_bz> i don't know also if <% %> scaping will work inside a html <...> tag
Dec 11 23:01:08 <pablo_bz> but probably the preprocessor is smart enough :)
Dec 11 23:01:10 <pablo_bz> try that
Dec 11 23:02:32 <pablo_bz> rwhitby: i guess it will depend on time avaliable, the a) part will be the one if there is no time to standarize it from here, but of course even in case of standarization, you will have many things to say
Dec 11 23:02:54 <pablo_bz> because that particular choice is about developer's taste mostly, see
Dec 11 23:03:13 <pablo_bz> the thing that is more confortable for developers, and developers are you
Dec 11 23:03:37 <rwhitby> a) without (b) or (c) will mean many users trying to install packages and filling the internal flash
Dec 11 23:04:22 <pablo_bz> rwhitby: a mechanism to avoid installation without size in the flash is unavoidable
Dec 11 23:04:27 <rwhitby> pivot-root to a usb flash stick means that if you stuff something up, you just pull the flash stick and reboot and everything starts working with the base fon configuration again
Dec 11 23:04:41 <pablo_bz> yeah
Dec 11 23:04:53 <rwhitby> so you get a support-load-light solution
Dec 11 23:05:30 <pablo_bz> rebooting is not user-friendly, whatever micro$oft says :)
Dec 11 23:05:50 <pablo_bz> ideally, plugins will work exactly the same installed in flash or in the pendrive
Dec 11 23:05:51 <rwhitby> in nslu2 land, we replace the opkg binary in the internal flash with a script which says "to install packages, you need to do these steps to pivot-root to a usb stick".  then when they boot from the stick, the real opkg binary becomes available.
Dec 11 23:06:10 <rwhitby> plugins are going to be too large for the internal flash
Dec 11 23:06:26 <pablo_bz> rwhitby: i know, even for three of them
Dec 11 23:06:55 <pablo_bz> rwhitby: that's why i want to define a format in wich the plugin will be installed in whatever flashdrive the user chooses
Dec 11 23:07:01 <rwhitby> so I think you need to go to pivot-root just to support plugins.
Dec 11 23:07:05 <pablo_bz> by means of a .img loopback device file
Dec 11 23:07:45 <rwhitby> ah, but as soon as you change the install directory, then you add the burden on the packager to make the thing install to that directory (e.g. optware) and you can no longer support normal openwrt packages
Dec 11 23:07:47 <pablo_bz> rwhitby: do you think that pivot-root will be necessary? is not the entire system that not feet, but packages that can be compiled into their own directories
Dec 11 23:08:05 <pablo_bz> rwhitby: thats unavoidable
Dec 11 23:08:21 <rwhitby> I believe pivot-root is essential, and that without it the idea of user installation of plugins and/or openwrt packages will fail
Dec 11 23:08:23 <pablo_bz> rwhitby: the developer will have to make modifications or verify that it works anyway
Dec 11 23:08:43 <rwhitby> pablo_bz: most of the standard openwrt packages will work out of the box
Dec 11 23:09:04 <rwhitby> (because that is the whole reason for basing the firmware on openwrt)
Dec 11 23:09:14 <pablo_bz> hummmm :)
Dec 11 23:09:36 <pablo_bz> i agree that having openwrt ipkg packages running in la fonera is cool
Dec 11 23:09:49 <rwhitby> as soon as you move away from that, you isolate fon from openwrt developers and cut your developer base to such a small group that it will not be sustainable and therefore the only packages will be those that fon takes the expense to provide
Dec 11 23:10:12 <pablo_bz> for developers and integrators and people like sylvainzimmer who is basing his work in already existing openwrt packages
Dec 11 23:10:17 <pablo_bz> but
Dec 11 23:10:31 <pablo_bz> no, no
Dec 11 23:10:31 <rwhitby> and I doubt that fon will find a cost/benefit ratio that is attractive using their own staff and not getting stuff free from external developers
Dec 11 23:10:42 <pablo_bz> no, of course
Dec 11 23:11:05 <rwhitby> so to require repackaging using a different install prefix for packages from openwrt will be suicide for fon
Dec 11 23:11:21 <pablo_bz> what i am thinking about is in an easy way to take advantage of all the openwrt package work and make it easy for developers to build fonera-oriented packages that users will just plug
Dec 11 23:11:23 <rwhitby> (well, it will be the end of plentiful plugins)
Dec 11 23:11:25 <pablo_bz> and we just verify
Dec 11 23:12:02 <pablo_bz> if repackaging is easy enough
Dec 11 23:12:30 <pablo_bz> many people will do as sylvainzimmer and adapt the already exisiting packages into the big bundles we want users to check in for their foneras
Dec 11 23:12:54 <rwhitby> I think you are wrong there.  few people will do that, not many.
Dec 11 23:13:09 <pablo_bz> the question is what the users will do
Dec 11 23:13:18 <sylvainzimmer> well the documentation is not so great right now
Dec 11 23:13:20 <sylvainzimmer> :)
Dec 11 23:13:30 <pablo_bz> normal users will not install chains of packages in their foneras as if they where debian machines
Dec 11 23:13:34 <pablo_bz> because they are users
Dec 11 23:13:35 <sylvainzimmer> but I think the fonera has a bigger reach than openwrt
Dec 11 23:13:54 <pablo_bz> they want smooth packages and everything like autoinstallers
Dec 11 23:14:12 <pablo_bz> they whant azureus, so click click put the url there and start downloading
Dec 11 23:14:13 <rwhitby> sylvainzimmer: that's a bold statement.  but you may be correct.  in which case openwrt should change to the fon packaging strategy.
Dec 11 23:14:45 <pablo_bz> and i am not saying only that we can arrange to do that with already existing packages (synaptic, anyone?)
Dec 11 23:14:51 <rwhitby> pablo_bz: is the fon strategy on this point your responsibility?
Dec 11 23:14:51 <sylvainzimmer> I mean, openwrt may have more installs
Dec 11 23:15:00 <sylvainzimmer> but people care more about their fonera than their openwrt I think
Dec 11 23:15:02 <pablo_bz> but that the different "profiles", and the different fonera installations
Dec 11 23:15:15 <pablo_bz> will have to be, if you think about it, a little discrete
Dec 11 23:15:28 <pablo_bz> since fon will give support to all the people installing all the plugins
Dec 11 23:15:54 <pablo_bz> rwhitby: of course is not my responsibilty, i am just a coder
Dec 11 23:16:05 <rwhitby> pablo_bz: oh, who's responsibility is it?
Dec 11 23:16:29 <pablo_bz> rwhitby: ?
Dec 11 23:16:40 <rwhitby> since before I spend more of my time on this, I want to know what the strategy is, so that I'm not wasting my precious developer time.
Dec 11 23:16:53 <pablo_bz> rwhitby: cmon!
Dec 11 23:17:01 <rwhitby> who's responsibility is it in Fon to make the decision between (a), (b) and (c) above?
Dec 11 23:17:14 <pablo_bz> rwhitby: we are discussing about it, not about people
Dec 11 23:17:55 <rwhitby> pablo_bz: I agree, but having dealt with Openmoko in the last year, I am more cautious about knowing who has the decision making power, and who is just talking :-)
Dec 11 23:18:20 <pablo_bz> rwhitby: if you reason whatever thing using objective means
Dec 11 23:18:21 <rwhitby> (no offense intended to anyone)
Dec 11 23:18:30 <pablo_bz> the weight of facts will do it alone
Dec 11 23:19:03 <pablo_bz> because we want the better way
Dec 11 23:19:05 <rwhitby> pablo_bz: as long as the facts include all the stakeholders.  there are more than just technical reasons to do things in companies.
Dec 11 23:19:28 <rwhitby> and usually, a weak business fact can be much stronger than many strong technical facts.
Dec 11 23:19:30 <pablo_bz> rwhitby: do you consider support and maintenance technical? i do
Dec 11 23:19:38 <rwhitby> I do too.
Dec 11 23:19:38 <pablo_bz> it is just one side of the solution to reach
Dec 11 23:19:41 <pablo_bz> ok
Dec 11 23:19:50 <pablo_bz> then we agree on the basis of the discussion :)
Dec 11 23:19:52 <pablo_bz> that is nice
Dec 11 23:19:59 <rwhitby> but there can also be such things as branding, etc.
Dec 11 23:20:04 <pablo_bz> bah
Dec 11 23:20:12 <pablo_bz> brands are drawings
Dec 11 23:21:05 <rwhitby> It is very possible that someone in Fon may be thinking that they simply don't want people to be able to install Openwrt packages, as-is, because that will dilute the brand-awareness of fon plugins.
Dec 11 23:21:07 <pablo_bz> we are talking about the easiest way to a) make it easy for developers to do packes b) make it easy for users to install/use them and c) make it easy for fon to keep track and give support to users so there is not a "idontknowwhatyoudidtoyourfonera" feeling
Dec 11 23:21:15 <pablo_bz> ah
Dec 11 23:21:20 <pablo_bz> rwhitby: not at all
Dec 11 23:21:26 <pablo_bz> if you are worring about that
Dec 11 23:21:57 <sylvainzimmer> anybody wanting to test my app ? http://code.google.com/p/jamendo/source/browse/trunk/3rdparty/fonera2/luci-jamendo
Dec 11 23:21:58 <pablo_bz> we actually _run_ openwrt and even our CEO is knowledgable of that
Dec 11 23:22:22 <rwhitby> I guess Fon is still a small company, so there is probably still good sense across the whole company :-)
Dec 11 23:22:54 <pablo_bz> we don't whant at all to work with propietary software, nor make the openwrt/gnu/linux stack our own
Dec 11 23:23:07 <pablo_bz> it is not our own, and we are using it, as many other companies do
Dec 11 23:23:09 <pablo_bz> of course
Dec 11 23:23:26 <rwhitby> yes, but as soon as you require people to repackage for fon, then that package becomes your own, for better or worse.
Dec 11 23:23:42 <pablo_bz> that was not my motivation
Dec 11 23:23:49 <rwhitby> (better because you then control it from a support point of view, worse because you then need to maintain it)
Dec 11 23:23:55 <pablo_bz> we will require to repackage if it is neede
Dec 11 23:23:55 <pablo_bz> d
Dec 11 23:24:00 <pablo_bz> but not to make it "fon"
Dec 11 23:24:09 <pablo_bz> but to make it useful for the users and for the architecture
Dec 11 23:24:36 <pablo_bz> and i am interested in knowing how that can be done just as a layer and not requiring to repackage things :)
Dec 11 23:24:51 <rwhitby> even a simple changing of $prefix with no other change (unless that is supported by the upstream OpenWrt build system) causes the package to then need to be maintained by you instead of the upstream OpenWrt developers.
Dec 11 23:25:00 <pablo_bz> rwhitby: we will have to maintain it even if it is running vanilla openwrt
Dec 11 23:25:21 <pablo_bz> rwhitby: we _dont_ want to do that
Dec 11 23:25:25 <rwhitby> by maintain, I mean things like continuously migrating packages to the latest release, etc.
Dec 11 23:25:46 <pablo_bz> we dont want to put that burden on our already strained shoulders
Dec 11 23:25:51 <rwhitby> responding to security problems in 10 upstream packages at the same time, etc.
Dec 11 23:26:07 <pablo_bz> we want the one who is making a package thing, hey it is cool to reach so many people, and just maintain it
Dec 11 23:26:30 <rwhitby> I agree - that's why I'm cautioning against changing $prefix and advising on a pivot-root solutions.
Dec 11 23:26:31 <pablo_bz> and get credit from it
Dec 11 23:26:34 <sylvainzimmer> okay, have fun, I'm going. mail sylvain@jamendo.com if you have any feedback on the app
Dec 11 23:26:38 <pablo_bz> and support from it, of course
Dec 11 23:26:46 <sylvainzimmer> thanks for your help pablo_bz
Dec 11 23:27:00 <pablo_bz> sylvainzimmer: thank you
Dec 11 23:27:34 <rwhitby> pablo_bz: I think we are in agreement on the requirements and motivations for the solution, so that's a great start.
Dec 11 23:28:07 <pablo_bz> rwhitby: users, being able to reach endusers, just like ubuntu packagers do
Dec 11 23:29:16 <pablo_bz> and we don't care a dim about control, because the more features the community add to the device, the more users it will get to
Dec 11 23:30:44 <rwhitby> yeah, I have no doubts about fon's intentions.
Dec 11 23:30:58 <pablo_bz> rwhitby: if we tried to control everything out, people looking for features will have no other choice but reflashing without fon
Dec 11 23:31:15 <rwhitby> my concerns are purely about efficiency of support and maintenance of third-party packages
Dec 11 23:31:21 <pablo_bz> and we just want them to use their cool devices in whoever anything exist
Dec 11 23:31:41 <pablo_bz> and that not being incompatible with sharing some bandwith in their public signal
Dec 11 23:32:13 <pablo_bz> see
Dec 11 23:32:59 <pablo_bz> we don't want people who would be otherwise happy sharing being forced to not share because we get so anal-retentive with our cool device that they don't get what they want unless they wipe the entire thing out
Dec 11 23:33:32 <pablo_bz> so, tell me more about that layer
Dec 11 23:34:58 <pablo_bz> how can we base the addons installation on openwrt packages?
Dec 11 23:36:32 <pablo_bz> rwhitby: ?
Dec 11 23:36:37 <pablo_bz> ^^
Dec 11 23:36:37 <rwhitby> My proposal is a pivot-root solution, so a fon is either in "base fon configuration" state or "enabled for plugins" state, and the enabled for plugins state is running from usb stick.
Dec 11 23:37:04 <rwhitby> then you can treat / as a large filesystem instead of a small internal flash.
Dec 11 23:37:21 <rwhitby> and not need to jump through any hoops to install packages.
Dec 11 23:37:35 <pablo_bz> that filesystem will make the usb stick useful only for the extension, or it can be a loopback image?
Dec 11 23:38:12 <rwhitby> the usb stick would have multiple partitions, one of which is mounted as /, another of which can be swap.
Dec 11 23:38:32 <pablo_bz> but they need to be _real_ partitions, or they can be files?
Dec 11 23:38:34 <rwhitby> since you need a hub anyway, if you want to do FAT file transfers or something, then you use a second stick or hard drive for that.
Dec 11 23:38:45 <rwhitby> sure, they could be files.
Dec 11 23:38:50 <pablo_bz> yes, yes
Dec 11 23:39:03 <rwhitby> (I haven't tested that, but it should work)
Dec 11 23:39:05 <pablo_bz> and can it be hot-pluggable?
Dec 11 23:39:14 <pablo_bz> and hot-unpluggable
Dec 11 23:39:25 <pablo_bz> so when i don't use my plugins i can take it out
Dec 11 23:39:27 <rwhitby> nope, pivot-root requires the usb stick is permanently plugged in while the unit is running
Dec 11 23:39:37 <pablo_bz> ahm
Dec 11 23:39:44 <rwhitby> (since / is mounted from there)
Dec 11 23:39:53 <pablo_bz> yes, but see
Dec 11 23:40:03 <pablo_bz> we aready have a rom squashfs partition
Dec 11 23:40:15 <pablo_bz> overwrited seamlessly by a jffs partition writable
Dec 11 23:40:35 <pablo_bz> i guess if the pivoting could be made so things are overwritten only when the stick is plugged....
Dec 11 23:41:07 <pablo_bz> not overmounting /, but as a layer on top, just like the squashfs + jffs thing...
Dec 11 23:43:23 <pablo_bz> :)
Dec 11 23:43:57 <pablo_bz> anyway
Dec 11 23:44:59 <pablo_bz> i think i got your point on openwrt packages
Dec 11 23:46:09 <pablo_bz> being able to use them as they are will be the best way to make it easier for package makers/maintainers
Dec 11 23:46:43 <pablo_bz> since they only have to add the specific parts about the interface or whatsoever, and they can leverage easily all the work done already for openwrt packages
Dec 11 23:48:44 <rwhitby> pablo_bz: yes, it can be made such that / is only overwritten when the stick is plugged in, but it can't be hotplug.
Dec 11 23:49:46 <rwhitby> you effectively copy squashfs + current jffs2 onto the stick, and then run completely from the stick.
Dec 11 23:50:42 <rwhitby> you'd keep the jffs2 mounted also, and symlink to files in there for which you wanted updates on the stick configuration to be recorded in jffs2 for when the stick is not plugged in.
Dec 11 23:51:53 <pablo_bz> wich would be most of the configuration files
Dec 11 23:52:37 <pablo_bz> i was just wondering on a way to install openwrt packages as if there where only a / filesystem without all the breakage of pivot-root
Dec 11 23:53:04 <pablo_bz> but the entire idea is great
Dec 11 23:55:35 <rwhitby> what is the breakage of pivot-root?
Dec 11 23:56:00 <rwhitby> once you've pivoted on boot, you just install plugins and openwrt packages as normal
Dec 11 23:58:45 <pablo_bz> i don't know :)
Dec 11 23:59:09 <pablo_bz> i just liked it to not depend on the hub, the stick, the anything
Dec 12 00:00:21 <pablo_bz> rhitby, i am sure we will talk more about this, along with openwrt devs
Dec 12 00:00:49 <pablo_bz> now i am leaving
Dec 12 00:01:03 <mib_nu5zp4tp> bonsoir
Dec 12 00:01:11 <pablo_bz> it was great knowing about all this
Dec 12 00:01:13 <mib_nu5zp4tp> is iurgi still there ?
Dec 12 00:01:20 <pablo_bz> hahaha
Dec 12 00:01:30 <pablo_bz> iurgi must be anywhere but here :)
Dec 12 00:01:42 <mib_nu5zp4tp> good :-)
Dec 12 00:01:50 <mib_nu5zp4tp> need some advice
Dec 12 00:01:58 <mib_nu5zp4tp> I just did
Dec 12 00:02:03 <mib_nu5zp4tp> RedBoot> load -r -b %{FREEMEMLO} FON2202.image2
Dec 12 00:02:10 <mib_nu5zp4tp> worked fine
Dec 12 00:02:11 <mib_nu5zp4tp> then
Dec 12 00:02:25 <mib_nu5zp4tp> RedBoot> fis create -f 0xA8660000 image2
Dec 12 00:02:25 <pablo_bz> ah, you are installing the failsafe image?
Dec 12 00:02:39 <mib_nu5zp4tp> and got the following response
Dec 12 00:02:52 <mib_nu5zp4tp> no tried with sylvester
Dec 12 00:03:04 <pablo_bz> weird response!
Dec 12 00:03:30 <mib_nu5zp4tp> got the response invalid flash address 0xa8660000
Dec 12 00:03:38 <pablo_bz> humm
Dec 12 00:04:00 <mib_nu5zp4tp> valid range is 0xa80000000-0xa87effff
Dec 12 00:04:08 <mib_nu5zp4tp> what does that mean ?
Dec 12 00:04:31 <mib_nu5zp4tp> saw the failsafe image is still not available on the wiki for download
Dec 12 00:04:38 <pablo_bz> ah
Dec 12 00:04:44 <pablo_bz> then what are you installing with?
Dec 12 00:04:45 <mib_nu5zp4tp> tricky tricky
Dec 12 00:04:50 <pablo_bz> :)
Dec 12 00:04:52 <mib_nu5zp4tp> sylvester
Dec 12 00:04:56 <mib_nu5zp4tp> thought that could work
Dec 12 00:05:15 <pablo_bz> aaah
Dec 12 00:05:17 <pablo_bz> ok
Dec 12 00:05:30 <pablo_bz> failsafe image is way smaller than regular image
Dec 12 00:05:36 <pablo_bz> you got out of the boundaries
Dec 12 00:05:46 <mib_nu5zp4tp> ok understand
Dec 12 00:06:06 <pablo_bz> the failsafe image contains just enough things to show a precarious console and be reflashed by means of a .tgz file
Dec 12 00:06:13 <mib_nu5zp4tp> do you know where I can download the safe image from now ?
Dec 12 00:06:35 <pablo_bz> from my machine since i finished the signed .tgz support for it
Dec 12 00:06:48 <pablo_bz> but unfortunately i removed the entire branch
Dec 12 00:06:57 <pablo_bz> (my local copy)
Dec 12 00:07:14 <pablo_bz> and i guess iurgi is recompiling the thing up tomorrwo
Dec 12 00:07:18 <mib_nu5zp4tp> really
Dec 12 00:07:20 <pablo_bz> so, just wait
Dec 12 00:07:28 <pablo_bz> yes
Dec 12 00:07:29 <mib_nu5zp4tp> oki oki no prob
Dec 12 00:07:35 <pablo_bz> we have just to checkout and compile
Dec 12 00:07:47 <pablo_bz> i proved it working
Dec 12 00:07:51 <mib_nu5zp4tp> you seem all really passionate about this developement and I can understand you
Dec 12 00:07:54 <pablo_bz> (but not tested it ;)
Dec 12 00:08:02 <pablo_bz> ahm
Dec 12 00:08:04 <pablo_bz> ...
Dec 12 00:08:08 <mib_nu5zp4tp> can install only loader an alfred to make the fonera work ?
Dec 12 00:08:17 <mib_nu5zp4tp> is image 2 absolutely necessary ??
Dec 12 00:08:50 <pablo_bz> see, the failsafe image is for endusers, for when the primary image stops booting (CRC chek fail) for some reason, and by that we have an easy way for him to reflash it
Dec 12 00:09:05 <pablo_bz> if you are able to reflash from redboot you don't need it :)
Dec 12 00:09:39 <pablo_bz> because you can reflash from redboot and you don't need some 1MB image for doing it from your browser :)
Dec 12 00:09:44 <mib_nu5zp4tp> ok so I will try and add image tomorrow ...
Dec 12 00:10:06 <mib_nu5zp4tp> ok understanf now what image 2 does
Dec 12 00:10:15 <pablo_bz> indeed, you are more passionate about this development than me :)
Dec 12 00:10:19 <mib_nu5zp4tp> it is more a tool in case dummies crash their box
Dec 12 00:10:22 <pablo_bz> yes
Dec 12 00:10:32 <mib_nu5zp4tp> so that they can still make it work again
Dec 12 00:10:36 <pablo_bz> yeah
Dec 12 00:10:44 <mib_nu5zp4tp> prefect
Dec 12 00:10:49 <pablo_bz> they can reflash their foneras without having to use redboot
Dec 12 00:10:54 <pablo_bz> :)
Dec 12 00:11:02 <mib_nu5zp4tp> so Ilet you work and will follow your developments through the wiki
Dec 12 00:11:28 <pablo_bz> but i would thank you to test it when we release image2
Dec 12 00:11:56 <pablo_bz> as you where already interested, you will want to know how it goes
Dec 12 00:11:57 <pablo_bz> :)
Dec 12 00:11:59 <mib_nu5zp4tp> of course I will do ... .-) I will update you about it too :-)
Dec 12 00:12:19 <pablo_bz> great, see? the pasionate one is you
Dec 12 00:12:42 <mib_nu5zp4tp> think spirit wise we are o the same level :-)
Dec 12 00:12:52 <mib_nu5zp4tp> god night enjoy
Dec 12 00:12:56 <mib_nu5zp4tp> good night
Dec 12 00:13:01 <pablo_bz> i am sleepy more than spirited
Dec 12 00:13:02 <mib_nu5zp4tp> see you soon
Dec 12 00:13:07 <mib_nu5zp4tp> lol :-)
Dec 12 00:13:10 <pablo_bz> good nigth
Dec 12 00:13:15 <mib_nu5zp4tp> yop :-)
Dec 12 00:13:20 <pablo_bz> see ya
Dec 12 00:13:56 <mib_nu5zp4tp> cu u
Dec 12 00:39:38 <onofff> anyone get ctorrent working on the fonera 2.0?
Dec 12 00:42:23 <onofff> "ctorrent: can't load library 'libcrypto.so.0.9.8' " e get this error
Dec 12 00:42:56 <xMff> run ls -l /lib
Dec 12 00:43:10 <xMff> maybe there's a libcrypto with another version
Dec 12 00:43:59 <onofff> libcrypt-0.9.29.so
Dec 12 00:44:00 <onofff> :S
Dec 12 00:44:11 <xMff> ic
Dec 12 00:44:17 <onofff> don't know where i can get the 0.9.8 :s
Dec 12 00:44:27 <xMff> cd /lib; ln -s libcrypt-0.9.29.so libcrypt-0.9.28.so
Dec 12 00:44:31 <xMff> then try again
Dec 12 00:44:41 <xMff> it's a hack but used to work with other apps in this case
Dec 12 00:45:53 <onofff> same error
Dec 12 00:46:09 <onofff> because is aasking for libcrypto.so.0.9.8
Dec 12 00:46:11 <xMff> make sure you spelled the names right
Dec 12 00:46:19 <xMff> ah ok
Dec 12 00:46:19 <onofff> yeah i do copy past
Dec 12 00:46:29 <xMff> I had a typo
Dec 12 00:46:59 <onofff> now it can't load library :s
Dec 12 00:47:09 <onofff> "ctorrent: can't load library 'libcrypto.so.0.9.8'"
Dec 12 00:48:02 <xMff> my command above was wrong, if you copied it verbatim it won't work
Dec 12 00:48:06 <xMff> filename misspelled
Dec 12 00:48:33 <onofff> i changed the 9.28 to 9.8 and it changed the library
Dec 12 00:49:44 <onofff>  17 Dec 12 00:46 libcrypt-0.9.8.so -> libcrypt-0.9.8.so
Dec 12 00:50:50 <xMff> do you see the errir
Dec 12 00:51:09 <xMff> libcrypt -> libcrypto  and version is the same
Dec 12 00:53:21 <onofff> yes
Dec 12 00:53:42 <onofff> 19 Dec 12 00:51 libcrypto-0.9.8.so -> libcrypto-0.9.29.so
Dec 12 00:54:47 <onofff> still can't load library
Dec 12 00:57:29 <xMff> okay, libcrypt*o* belongs to openssl
Dec 12 00:58:28 <onofff> :S
Dec 12 00:58:48 <onofff> where i can get openssl packaged? probably i'm using a old one?
Dec 12 01:04:17 <onofff> so gtg.
Dec 12 01:04:19 <onofff> thanks for all
Dec 12 01:59:25 <rwhitby> onofff: http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openwrt/fon-ng/mips/
Dec 12 01:59:30 <rwhitby> ah, he
Dec 12 01:59:33 <rwhitby> 's gone
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