**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 14 02:59:57 2009 Jul 14 06:37:54 Hi! Buongiorno! Jul 14 07:56:52 good morning Jul 14 07:57:57 6 of 10 torrents are completed, 4,19 gb from 6,13gb downloaded. no crash Jul 14 08:23:02 Fonera 2.0n! Jul 14 08:35:37 Decodecoding: ? Jul 14 08:35:48 Yes Jul 14 08:36:01 ya, give me one too ^^ Jul 14 08:39:49 hehe Jul 14 09:05:29 http://english.martinvarsavsky.net/general/we-launch-the-fonera-20n.html Jul 14 09:05:32 :) Jul 14 09:13:25 hm martin removed hi post Jul 14 09:39:34 http://spanish.martinvarsavsky.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/fonera2n.jpg Jul 14 09:40:07 yeah, it has a different look Jul 14 09:40:46 I wonder if it has more USB ports apart from that one on the front side Jul 14 09:41:01 Decodecoding: nope Jul 14 09:41:04 lo skynetbbs Jul 14 09:41:08 skynetbbs: :) Jul 14 09:41:13 i have been busy Jul 14 09:41:19 i am happy it is public Jul 14 09:41:43 and it has 4 LAN ports, good Jul 14 09:42:02 i'm curious about the cpu! Jul 14 09:42:12 in the press release they talk about "2.0 cpu"... Jul 14 09:42:37 and a switch to desactivate the wifi :) Jul 14 09:42:45 spanish blog article is still present: http://spanish.martinvarsavsky.net/general/%C2%A1lanzamos-la-fonera-20n.html Jul 14 09:43:00 skynetbbs: it is rt3052 Jul 14 09:43:21 deactivate? most have now some kind of WPS button... eg when pressed you have a few seconds to "connect" and be added to it's mac whitelist :-) Jul 14 09:43:31 and a 12V DC adaptator Jul 14 09:43:36 12Vdc Jul 14 09:43:43 the psu is compatible with wrt54g Jul 14 09:43:47 there is wps Jul 14 09:43:53 the firmare does not support it yet Jul 14 09:43:58 but it will come real soon Jul 14 09:43:59 400mhz Jul 14 09:44:02 64mb rsam Jul 14 09:44:06 8mb flash Jul 14 09:44:17 usb2.0 and 1.1 work flawless without a hub Jul 14 09:45:17 80mbit NAT lan->wan :) Jul 14 09:45:25 wifi->usb 8MB/s Jul 14 09:45:44 with a msi wind you notice no difference between ethernet and wifi Jul 14 09:46:54 and a small on/off switch so you can enable, wifi, usb .... Jul 14 09:47:25 any questions ? :) Jul 14 09:47:54 price and availability ?^^ Jul 14 09:48:02 79€ Jul 14 09:48:13 September 15th Jul 14 09:48:23 re Jul 14 09:48:41 pm2036: afaik the first batch is enroute already Jul 14 09:48:45 Decodecoding: hum of course, if I don't read the text ^^ Jul 14 09:48:48 kinde the first 100 units or so Jul 14 09:48:52 blogic: ok :) Jul 14 09:49:11 basically, the 20n is like the 20 but with much more power Jul 14 09:49:14 and of course, good work! Jul 14 09:49:22 75 euro (excl shipping/tax) on 15 september in Europe according to Martin? Jul 14 09:49:24 torrents do 700kb/s Jul 14 09:49:29 99$ for USA on 15 october? Jul 14 09:49:41 skynetbbs: phew no idea, that is martins terrain Jul 14 09:49:53 but the unit is lovely Jul 14 09:49:56 mine is still grey Jul 14 09:49:57 :) Jul 14 09:50:04 i have a shitty housing Jul 14 09:50:10 i am happy we used black in the end Jul 14 09:51:20 imho, I like the white case Jul 14 09:51:28 so finally Fon is becoming mainly an hardware supplier ? what do you think , This could be the turning point ? Ah regards to all BTW Jul 14 09:52:08 de_ma: nah Jul 14 09:52:23 if at all a software vendr Jul 14 09:52:36 I think although Fon might focus now moro on hardware, its strength come from a customized software Jul 14 09:52:40 will it do Wifi-n at 2,4ghz or also on 5ghz? Jul 14 09:52:41 but no, it is still the wifi router it used to be, martin just asked for some new features Jul 14 09:52:48 the fonera is online anyways Jul 14 09:52:58 so it can do stuff while it sits there Jul 14 09:53:10 i really like the concept of the newest member of the fonera family Jul 14 09:53:12 I guess only 2.4ghz : "Embedded 2.4G CMOS Radio" Jul 14 09:53:41 something to put on my Birthday wish list (18september) :-) Jul 14 09:53:53 it does a band Jul 14 09:53:55 but the rf bit is for 2,4 Jul 14 09:53:57 so dont expect any amazing performance Jul 14 09:54:09 how fast is it 'flash'ing speed? Jul 14 09:54:11 I hope someone will ever make a 802.11N usb dongle work in fonera 2.0 Jul 14 09:54:12 will it still need 20 minutes? :-) Jul 14 09:54:31 3 including the reboot and jffs2 init Jul 14 09:54:41 there is a tftp upload functin in the bootloader Jul 14 09:54:50 the new failsafe if you wanna call it that Jul 14 09:55:07 and an embedded switch Jul 14 09:55:13 which is totally awesome Jul 14 09:55:23 the cpu has a switch embebeb Jul 14 09:55:36 IMO if the new fonera could meet the standards of big players , it should have a chance . Good HW combined with unique features firmware a plus for advanced users Jul 14 10:00:34 cool :) Jul 14 10:00:52 Any confirmation about a Fon-ng firmware for the F+ as well? Jul 14 10:01:16 skynetbbs: talk to iurgi Jul 14 10:01:30 de_ma: indeed Jul 14 10:01:42 de_ma: the thing is, the 20 is sometimes cubersome to use as it is slow Jul 14 10:01:50 the fon20n does not have this issue Jul 14 10:02:17 also, we are now at a point where we have pretty much finished the first full release of fon-ng Jul 14 10:02:24 and then we start on the pugins Jul 14 10:02:26 which will be fun Jul 14 10:02:39 i will fix audio first, then we do openvpn and pptp-mppe Jul 14 10:02:47 and then i want a fon2fon file exchange Jul 14 10:03:08 like a folder, called skynetbbs . if i dump files in it, the get transfered to his fon's hdd Jul 14 10:03:18 :D Jul 14 10:03:33 we would need a virus scanner :D Jul 14 10:03:46 ya! lets make skynetbbs's hdd full :D Jul 14 10:03:51 for linux? Jul 14 10:04:01 you can try... I have 9terabyte :-) Jul 14 10:04:16 using the current fon 2.0 it would take months to fill the first gigabyte Jul 14 10:04:31 yes linux has an antivirus... :-) Jul 14 10:05:12 oops Jul 14 10:05:59 google on "clam"... it has even a windows port... it's not as good as avast though :-) Jul 14 10:07:53 umm, I think I heard about it Jul 14 10:08:04 I use avast on PC Jul 14 10:09:24 antivirus on linux are for windows disks cleaning mainly . Check out trinity rescue live CD Jul 14 10:10:45 be aware for linux rootkits... luckily the openssh vulnerability was a hoax... I still remember the SSHv1 vulnerability in 2000 ... Jul 14 10:13:12 http://tcrn.ch/5nj : Fonera+ gets upgraded to 2.0 Jul 14 10:14:23 back to work , fellas I keep irssi in the background to read your conversations later on . C ya :) Jul 14 10:21:27 Is RC5 coming today or later this week? Jul 14 11:14:02 hola! hello! Jul 14 11:14:12 holas Jul 14 11:14:16 por fin tengo internet de nuevo! Jul 14 11:14:22 congrats Jul 14 11:14:31 aun ni conecté la fonera, ains Jul 14 11:14:36 se sabe algo de la rc5? Jul 14 11:14:43 tady Jul 14 11:14:45 today Jul 14 11:14:58 hi blogic, today later? Jul 14 11:15:04 thanks :) Jul 14 11:16:43 vengo ahora! Jul 14 11:16:44 brb Jul 14 11:53:32 uhm Jul 14 11:53:49 i've configured the private wifi as wep encryption and it seems to be open Jul 14 11:55:12 jorgesuarezdelis: try a different key Jul 14 12:00:50 eyy Jul 14 12:01:21 i've checked Jul 14 12:01:29 wep encryption on private network doesn't work Jul 14 12:02:08 it's broadcasted as open Jul 14 12:02:23 anyway, i try to connect and it doesn't work, even forcing wep Jul 14 12:03:01 iwconfig through ssh says Encryption key:off on ath1, i don't know if that's normal behavior Jul 14 13:12:17 hi there Jul 14 13:12:26 hi Jul 14 13:13:17 i have a problem with last RC4...i cant access to internet using the wifi signal.. Jul 14 13:13:19 jorgesuarezdelis: ath1 is the public Jul 14 13:13:29 jacobo: yes, rc5 is coming today Jul 14 13:13:35 ah Jul 14 13:13:41 okok Jul 14 13:13:44 many thanks Jul 14 13:42:17 blogic: i don't think so... Jul 14 13:42:24 blogic: ath1 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"BadgerBadgerBadger" Nickname:"" Jul 14 13:42:27 Encryption key:off Jul 14 13:42:28 hm Jul 14 13:42:29 ok Jul 14 13:42:37 ath0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"" Nickname:"" Jul 14 13:42:42 :? Jul 14 13:44:19 someone try setting the encryption to wep Jul 14 13:44:39 i can't connect anymore using wifi, even after rebooting Jul 14 13:45:02 i have to connect it trough the lan cable and set it up again as wpa Jul 14 13:45:04 Maybe some driver issue. I used to have problems with Ubuntu Jul 14 13:45:11 with WPA Jul 14 13:45:14 no my problem Jul 14 13:45:33 vamos, que no es mi problema, mi tarjeta wifi funciona bien en ese sentido Jul 14 13:45:35 es cosa de la fonera Jul 14 13:45:56 OK. I'll try to reproduce the problem Jul 14 13:46:01 además un escaneo dice que la red está abierta Jul 14 13:46:07 no que está con wep :? Jul 14 13:46:18 gracias Decodecoding :) Jul 14 13:46:55 Lo que pasa es que si sacan la RC5 no me resistiré la tentacino de flashear :-d Jul 14 13:47:24 yo tampoco claro Jul 14 13:47:31 xD Jul 14 13:47:53 The power of flashing a device is hard to resist... It's like starting a brand new day... Jul 14 13:54:51 jorgesuarezdelis, hmm hace tiempo que no hemos probado wep voy a mirar eso gracia Jul 14 13:55:14 RC5 estara listo en un minuto Jul 14 13:55:41 es que me interesa ponerlo en wep porque así utilizo la wifi privada de la fonera para jugar a la ds y conectar dispositivos que no soporten wpa en general Jul 14 13:56:10 gracias por mirarlo Jul 14 13:56:25 entonces dejo la fonera aqui, ya no la muevo y asi la flasheo con el cable :) Jul 14 13:56:45 claro claro todavia puede sevir wep Jul 14 13:57:00 WEP is nice for "testing" security ;-) Jul 14 13:57:22 hihi Jul 14 13:58:05 anyway that would be nice if you guys upgrade from web interface this time Jul 14 13:58:25 and see if all your setting are correctly kept Jul 14 13:58:39 OK. Jul 14 14:03:04 wow Jul 14 14:03:08 a fonera 2.0 exploding Jul 14 14:03:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 Jul 14 14:03:17 :O Jul 14 14:05:29 What's wrong with Rick? He's part of my childhood :-d Jul 14 14:10:41 New suggestion: Fonera should be taught to search internet for funny things and tweet it inmediately; the FON-LOL plugin :-d Jul 14 14:14:28 http://blog.fonosfera.org/ Jul 14 14:15:01 inouk: nice Jul 14 14:15:06 crap the css of the blog is broken again :' Jul 14 14:15:49 oooh developer image, nice Jul 14 14:16:18 yeah Jul 14 14:16:44 And thanks for the thanks Jul 14 14:17:24 brb Jul 14 14:17:48 guys the post is from iurgi Jul 14 14:18:14 I'll have to pick my webcam from the drawer Jul 14 15:11:54 hi again! running rc5 now :) Jul 14 15:23:36 oh, lucky you Jul 14 15:23:39 tell us Jul 14 15:23:56 how was the webupdate? Jul 14 15:24:00 well... it's running xD Jul 14 15:24:16 the same as always, no progress bar :P Jul 14 15:24:41 also unnecessary waiting time, it flashed and rebooted after just some minutes Jul 14 15:25:00 what navigator are you using? Jul 14 15:25:05 firefox 3.5 Jul 14 15:25:18 i always got the progress bar Jul 14 15:25:46 i don't, and i also didn't get it on rc4 Jul 14 15:25:55 haven't tried other versions with firefox 3.5 though Jul 14 15:26:56 hmm actualy i'm using firefox 3 Jul 14 15:27:44 i'll update to check what happen during my next flash Jul 14 15:28:55 yeah! finally found what was wrong with the fonosfera blog! Jul 14 17:32:51 hello can not access the Windows network to access my USB disk installed the RC 5 Jul 14 17:34:28 I tried http://www.builderau.com.au/blogs/codemonkeybusiness/viewblogpost.htm?p=339270746 but nothing Jul 14 17:35:42 PTbig: Decodecoding is an expert, but he is offline just now Jul 14 17:36:09 :s Jul 14 17:39:06 I also think it is a bug in Settings update after installing Update RC 5 in dashbord states now RC4 Jul 14 17:39:26 excuse my bad English Jul 14 18:07:36 hello can not access the Windows network to access my USB disk installed the RC 5 Jul 14 18:07:59 it's bug?? Jul 14 18:10:50 oops Jul 14 18:10:59 did i forget to update the rc humber on rc5 ? Jul 14 18:11:00 lol Jul 14 18:14:05 blogic: the fonera2n cpu frequency is 300Mhz or 400Mhz? Jul 14 18:14:14 384 Jul 14 18:14:16 imho Jul 14 18:14:26 the chip is ralink rt3052 Jul 14 18:15:00 yes, 4but not some informations on the web about it Jul 14 18:15:45 hum there is a table on ralink website :) Jul 14 18:15:52 http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Products.html Jul 14 18:16:22 hi all. Jul 14 18:16:33 hi Jul 14 18:16:36 hi Jul 14 18:16:54 blogic, iurgi: Martin needs to update his chart :) http://spanish.martinvarsavsky.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/comparativa-fonera-g-y-n-final.png Jul 14 18:17:33 hi had a question about a ticket i have open for enabling over ride of DNS server for 3G dongle. there's several related tickets. Jul 14 18:21:32 my ticket is #244 and ticket #273 seems similar, how do I over ride the DNS settings delivered by DHCP to the dongle to use the correct ones? Jul 14 18:30:36 hmmm, i guess no one can help. Jul 14 18:54:49 oh is ie allready gone Jul 14 18:55:42 who ? Jul 14 18:58:38 blogic: I have just updated my firmware and dashboard indicates to me 2.2.6 rc 5 so you haven't forgot to update :D Jul 14 19:00:11 pm2036: ok Jul 14 19:08:21 pm2036 you updated by WEB or SSH? Jul 14 19:08:42 I did update by WEB; the label is RC4... the firewall issue is solved Jul 14 19:09:06 Skynet, I see RC5 Jul 14 19:09:15 i've just installed printer/webcam plugins... i probably need a reboot as the devices are not yet recognized Jul 14 19:09:24 sure Jul 14 19:10:01 btw, transmission download can be resumed after flashing Jul 14 19:10:11 hehe Jul 14 19:10:19 he sysupgrade breaks the rc version Jul 14 19:10:21 sorry Jul 14 19:10:26 will lookinto that Jul 14 19:10:28 :) Jul 14 19:10:49 I like this new firewall Jul 14 19:11:11 hehe Jul 14 19:11:18 i have a mac filter ready aswell Jul 14 19:11:22 but it needs testing Jul 14 19:11:45 SkyNETbbs: by WEB Jul 14 19:13:19 Is it possivble to open the port transmission uses for its connections? Jul 14 19:16:55 macfilter? Jul 14 19:17:10 ready but not released probably :-) Jul 14 19:17:48 firewall settings checked... network settings checked ...laptop connected by wifi(wpa) and network : ok (would be great if hostname could be shown...currently have to check on mac) Jul 14 19:18:48 umm, the webcam app in now much lighter Jul 14 19:19:47 59kbyte Jul 14 19:20:21 the web upgrade even remembered installed "opkg" installations :-) Jul 14 19:21:38 Webcam: failed to connect to server (denied?) Maybe a reboot needed? Jul 14 19:26:17 hi after install RC5 and the urge to try connecter to my usb disk to my windowns says: The mapped network drive could not be created because the following error has occurred: A device attached to the system is not Jul 14 19:26:35 functioning Jul 14 19:27:36 I can do to solve this problem? Jul 14 19:32:10 webcam works Jul 14 19:32:17 (from lan) Jul 14 19:33:35 SkyNETbbs: should work from wan also Jul 14 19:37:56 yes works perfectly from wan Jul 14 19:40:57 nice Jul 14 19:42:16 samba size issue seems to be solved; no "disc full" when trying to copy paste a file >14mbyte via samba Jul 14 19:42:26 it even remembered the usb stick name... Jul 14 19:43:00 gateway ip is also shown now : OK Jul 14 19:43:08 dhcp/static/dns custom : OK Jul 14 19:43:18 printer plugin : OK Jul 14 19:43:37 web/ssh/webcam/samba from wan : ok Jul 14 19:43:41 fonspot by default enabled now : OK Jul 14 19:44:02 i notice ftp is now enabled .. I guess it remembered the setting from before? Jul 14 19:44:17 in RC4 it was disabled; i enabled it; i flashed...it's still enabled... ok Jul 14 19:45:03 it remmebered Jul 14 19:45:12 same as the rc4 for some people :) Jul 14 19:51:15 question of other nature; I compiled "lcd4linux" using make menuconfig; under customize I added "st2505a" driver Jul 14 19:51:22 i pscped installed Jul 14 19:51:41 the usb display is connected and "recognized" as /dev/sdc Jul 14 19:52:23 when I run lcd4linux -i : it mentions drv_init(st2205) failed: no such driver Jul 14 19:52:48 can I somehow filter out the buildlog of only this lcd4linux part? Jul 14 19:52:59 to find out if there is something not correctly build? Jul 14 19:56:16 no idea Jul 14 19:56:21 check at src level Jul 14 20:17:31 okay webcam does not work from natted wan... Jul 14 20:18:48 Eg i'm currently logged in @work; and try to acces ".....dyndns.org:8001" ...all works untill I choose webcam; it will give in the java window "can not connect to 192.168.1.72 (internal ip) and a popup : connection broken during connection with 192.168.1.72 Jul 14 20:19:06 on adsl router is a portforwarding : "8001 -> 192.168.1.72:80" Jul 14 20:20:21 8001 ? Jul 14 20:20:27 what is that for ? Jul 14 20:21:41 :8001 Jul 14 20:22:00 ports between 1-1024 are mostly closed at isp's so we can not run servers (web,mail,ftp,...) Jul 14 20:22:41 something to differentiate between enduser & office subscriptions... (that and "fixed ip") Jul 14 20:37:32 Isn't this expected? The java applet runs on the client side and wants to connect back to 192.168.... which obviously fails if one connects through wan Jul 14 20:38:05 xMff1: ? Jul 14 20:38:13 it is done from within luci Jul 14 20:38:26 connects to 192.168. ? Jul 14 20:38:27 oops Jul 14 20:38:41 should use the call env of the request there Jul 14 20:38:44 bummer Jul 14 20:39:29 the applet needs to check at which port and ip it was accessed and use that to connect back to the stream resource Jul 14 20:39:46 s/accessed/loaded from/ Jul 14 20:39:59 yes Jul 14 20:40:05 it is a applet param Jul 14 20:40:11 i messed it up in the lua code Jul 14 20:43:07 stream is served on :80 too? Jul 14 20:43:20 \o/ Jul 14 20:46:30 xMff1: yes Jul 14 20:46:39 xMff1: i made a lua uvc adapter Jul 14 20:46:46 and stream it in a view Jul 14 20:46:50 ah no Jul 14 20:46:59 its in a controller call() i used Jul 14 20:47:24 xMff1: i am preparig to move all the stuff over Jul 14 20:47:30 i was sick of having 2 trees Jul 14 20:47:43 and as 1 was for 20n i was not allowed to publish it until now Jul 14 20:47:45 muahaha Jul 14 20:52:23 ot: someone know what kind of vpn the ipredator.se is using? Jul 14 21:01:42 pptp iirc Jul 14 21:01:46 blogic: cool Jul 14 21:03:20 xMff1: thank you :) Jul 14 21:32:05 ummmm Jul 14 21:32:44 the fonera has transmitted 400MB of data just this afternoon Jul 14 21:39:09 i'll have to turn of my fonera :( Jul 14 21:39:46 too much connections, the ping goes too high, i can't even visit a website properly Jul 14 21:40:06 someone trying to use unlimited p2p? :( Jul 14 21:40:43 dont use unlimited then Jul 14 21:40:57 i don't Jul 14 21:41:06 i have it limited to 1Mb Jul 14 21:41:31 but there's no limit to number of connections Jul 14 21:41:47 i think they open too much connections and my router can't handle that Jul 14 21:42:30 you mean you real dsl router ? Jul 14 21:42:34 yes Jul 14 21:42:50 anyway, the limit is applied only to download? what about upload? Jul 14 21:43:08 we mostly have adsl, the upload is lower than the download Jul 14 21:43:24 can't we limit the upload acording to this? Jul 14 21:44:56 i usually have about 10000kbps of download and about 900kbps of upload Jul 14 21:45:18 i've made the speed test this afternoon and it gave me 8000kbps of download and 30kbps of upload Jul 14 21:45:40 they're flooding my upload Jul 14 21:56:35 jorgesuarezdeliz: I think that might be DSL router's problem. I used to have a D-Link with the same problem Jul 14 21:57:09 no Jul 14 21:57:27 if you try to use a p2p application with unlimited number of connections Jul 14 21:57:40 the router won't handle it, for sure Jul 14 21:57:51 I'll have to try **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 15 02:59:57 2009