**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 20 02:59:56 2009 Aug 20 09:58:06 Bonjour a vous .. Aug 20 09:58:43 Buongiorno! Aug 20 10:41:45 hi Aug 20 11:36:04 hola Aug 20 11:36:12 HI Aug 20 11:46:44 Is there any method to switch to dev mode if there is no ssh access? Serial console only? Aug 20 11:51:42 uci set registered.fonreg.dev=1 && uci commit && /etc/fonstated/RestartSSH Aug 20 11:51:46 i think Aug 20 11:51:48 :) Aug 20 11:51:59 might be fon_reg and not fonreg Aug 20 11:52:11 so that's from serial console Aug 20 11:54:01 yes Aug 20 11:54:06 that will set the uci flag Aug 20 11:54:08 OK Aug 20 11:54:13 alternativley Aug 20 11:54:20 vi /etc/config/registered Aug 20 11:54:25 and remove the # in line 3 Aug 20 11:56:12 I'll do that Aug 20 11:57:02 and then reboot Aug 20 11:57:06 so it takes effect Aug 20 12:16:00 Blogic, the event notification (Twitter) for sistem startup reboot hasn't been included yet Aug 20 12:16:31 Is this event possible to be "twitted"? Aug 20 12:17:01 Decodecoding: yes Aug 20 12:17:05 Decodecoding: i willa dd it Aug 20 12:17:14 add a ticket on trac please and i will do it next week Aug 20 12:19:20 sure Aug 20 14:00:49 hi everyone Aug 20 14:00:56 hi Aug 20 14:01:07 hi Aug 20 14:11:36 Comet, did you get your problems solved? Aug 20 14:12:52 nah still have issues Aug 20 14:13:14 suspicious about your DSL router? Aug 20 14:13:45 don't think so ...i can get access with filezilla for instance Aug 20 14:13:55 ah Aug 20 14:14:06 but not with windows ftp Aug 20 14:14:42 putty doesnt work eighter but that may be because ive got the latest firmware and it is refusing connection Aug 20 14:15:17 it shuldn't refuse it Aug 20 14:22:47 its strange Aug 20 14:22:58 don't know what im doing wrong Aug 20 14:23:48 why not try a hard reset with the reset button and start configuring from scratch? Aug 20 14:24:21 setting up password agian, etcetera Aug 20 14:24:32 i would but im in spain Aug 20 14:24:34 fonera is in portugal Aug 20 14:24:43 shit! Aug 20 14:24:48 ;) Aug 20 14:25:10 I hope you have someone there for plugin/unplugin :-d Aug 20 14:25:20 lol Aug 20 14:25:28 its always on Aug 20 14:26:00 the only thing i worried about at the time was to get dyndns working Aug 20 14:26:17 the rest i did almost everything remotely Aug 20 14:27:36 i could ask for a fonera reset but i prefer to do it myself Aug 20 14:27:49 i don't trust them to that point Aug 20 14:27:52 :P Aug 20 14:28:44 maybe ill try that later Aug 20 14:28:53 and see how it goes Aug 20 14:29:27 what is your current firmware Deco? Aug 20 14:29:36 ask for a plug/unplug from the wallplug . Easy enough... :-p Aug 20 14:30:07 Main fonera RC5 and "Test Fonera" with an image compiled by myself (rev 1223) Aug 20 14:31:46 when first installing the fonera did you let it update to the latest firmware Aug 20 14:31:46 ? Aug 20 14:32:01 and after that installed the RC5 right? Aug 20 14:32:58 ill do that unplug/plug thing and see how it goes Aug 20 14:33:13 umm, I got my first fonera with the Fonera+ firmware and it passed through all released versions Aug 20 14:33:39 The second one (one I have borrowed) came from fon with 2.2.5 final Aug 20 14:33:48 same here Aug 20 14:33:59 i then updated it to RC5 Aug 20 14:34:21 only after updating to RC5 did i try ssh Aug 20 14:34:24 Yes, I updated it first to RC5 and yesterday to the image I compiled from SVN Aug 20 14:34:46 But ssh access is OK in RC5. I can confirm that Aug 20 14:34:56 from LAN and WAN Aug 20 14:35:35 i got it enable in the firewall Aug 20 14:35:39 probably a reset Aug 20 14:35:55 i enable ssh remotely and didn't restart the fonera Aug 20 14:36:02 so it could be that Aug 20 14:36:14 Reset is the universal problem solver :-d Aug 20 14:36:20 hehe Aug 20 14:36:46 the 1223 already comes with openvpn right? Aug 20 14:37:02 No, didn't see anything related to that Aug 20 14:37:18 Only twitter app Aug 20 14:37:26 what does it do? Aug 20 14:37:32 the twitter app? Aug 20 14:37:46 fonera notifier in twitter? Aug 20 14:38:13 You can set it up to tweet events happening in fonera such as completed download, youtube uploads, someone conecting to your hotspot... Aug 20 14:38:26 I'm still testing that now Aug 20 14:39:01 niiiceee Aug 20 14:39:17 tell blogic Aug 20 14:39:19 well if all fails i might give that a try Aug 20 14:39:38 but without putty i don't think i can upgrade the firmware right? Aug 20 14:39:47 no Aug 20 14:40:18 Moreover, updating remotely might be a high risk task... Aug 20 14:40:27 yeeep Aug 20 14:40:54 You can update with serial cable too Aug 20 14:41:10 That would grant access to the system console. Aug 20 14:41:25 thing is i "almost" got physical access Aug 20 14:41:29 Sure Aug 20 14:41:45 i can connect to my parents laptop and go from there Aug 20 14:42:15 Cool, a terminal server session would allow you to do things... Aug 20 14:42:40 yeah ..i already used it to get samba working there Aug 20 14:42:58 So, go ahead Aug 20 14:43:19 later when their home ill see what i can do Aug 20 14:43:32 If you fail, at least you'll have a good story to tell to your collegues... Aug 20 14:43:44 loool Aug 20 14:43:55 he he Aug 20 14:44:14 no story is interesting with some measure of failure Aug 20 14:44:25 without Aug 20 14:44:27 i mean Aug 20 14:44:28 :P Aug 20 14:44:33 he he Aug 20 14:45:10 have you ever used the torrent app? Aug 20 14:45:38 I use it every minute, he he Aug 20 14:45:50 you got it set to the default values? Aug 20 14:46:12 200 download 50 upload Aug 20 14:46:29 No, since my broadban connection is a little shitty, I linitited it to 50 dowm 5 up Aug 20 14:46:50 So it keeps usable for the rest of the users in the house Aug 20 14:47:12 If not, torrent eats all the bandwith Aug 20 14:47:35 my isp is having issues and right now i can only upload at 1Mbps Aug 20 14:48:13 You dare to tell ma that when I only have 150 Km for upload? :-o Aug 20 14:48:30 i know what you mean Aug 20 14:48:42 i got 3 mbps download and 128Kbps upload here in spain Aug 20 14:48:54 That's what I have Aug 20 14:49:03 Ono service Aug 20 14:49:18 Yes Aug 20 14:49:39 It was the cheapest service I could find Aug 20 14:50:11 that is why my company picked it up Aug 20 14:50:21 :P Aug 20 14:50:47 Well, honestly, it is enough for an average user... but you always want more... Aug 20 14:51:30 at the time i did speak with them for the 50 mbps service. i would pay for the surplus Aug 20 14:51:42 but since then we haven't talked much about it Aug 20 14:52:16 i do think if i stay here for a bit longer after i get my NIE ill open an account and get a new service Aug 20 14:52:28 Well, in this moment I prefer a lower montly rate... times are hard Aug 20 14:52:46 yeah ..the crysis Aug 20 14:53:00 the so called... Aug 20 14:53:23 the crysis can be sumed up in one phrase Aug 20 14:53:33 "we messed up...now you pay" Aug 20 14:53:47 :P Aug 20 14:54:14 by the way Aug 20 14:54:22 you know that program "Hamachi"? Aug 20 14:54:29 (H) Aug 20 14:54:33 No Aug 20 14:54:35 it is a media app ? Aug 20 14:54:41 for movies ? Aug 20 14:54:48 or was that ahami Aug 20 14:54:49 no ...it builds a vpn Aug 20 14:54:52 ah ok Aug 20 14:55:00 2.3.0.0 has a openvpn plugin Aug 20 14:55:09 yeah Aug 20 14:55:13 incl client apps for linux, win32 Aug 20 14:55:29 osx we wll tell users to use an existing app called tunnelblick Aug 20 14:55:39 i have been using it for 3 weeks :) Aug 20 14:55:42 it is pretty cool Aug 20 14:55:47 there is a feature, wehre Aug 20 14:55:49 ... Aug 20 14:55:50 tunnelbblick Aug 20 14:55:50 ? Aug 20 14:56:02 it is a osx client for openvpn Aug 20 14:56:06 anyhow Aug 20 14:56:16 there is a feature called "safe surf" Aug 20 14:56:36 it means, when you connect from away to your fonera, the fon pushes a new default route Aug 20 14:56:39 so Aug 20 14:56:52 all you traffic goes through the tunnel and then over your dsl line :) Aug 20 14:57:02 wow Aug 20 14:57:03 nice Aug 20 14:57:12 if you are in a hostile enviroment you can safely go via your home dsl Aug 20 14:57:23 thats nice to use at work Aug 20 14:57:25 lol Aug 20 14:57:31 it is not the fatsets as your downstream and upstream nadwidth is mangled but it is safe Aug 20 14:57:33 or internet caffes Aug 20 14:57:35 hehe Aug 20 14:57:37 inddeed Aug 20 14:57:41 or on a fonspot :) Aug 20 14:57:46 yeah Aug 20 14:57:54 i use it all the time now Aug 20 14:58:07 when on umts i do it and tell fonera to do my donloads Aug 20 14:58:08 :) Aug 20 14:58:14 using the firefoxy plugin Aug 20 14:58:32 i can then connect via umts, do a download turn of the pc and when i am home the dl is done Aug 20 14:58:49 Blogic... I don't understand how you don't trust your UMTS carrier? :-d Aug 20 14:58:55 They're nice Aug 20 14:58:58 lol Aug 20 14:59:08 it is not trust but comfort Aug 20 14:59:20 doing this i am on the lan side not wan side of my network :) Aug 20 15:00:03 yeah Aug 20 15:00:08 safer Aug 20 15:00:21 and easier Aug 20 15:00:25 i can ping my local pcs Aug 20 15:00:26 :) Aug 20 15:00:38 can you connect to them? Aug 20 15:00:39 nice Aug 20 15:00:40 because openvpn pushes the routes for lan to the client Aug 20 15:00:42 yes Aug 20 15:00:49 i am in the same ip network :) Aug 20 15:01:00 it is a osi layer 3 tunnel Aug 20 15:01:02 :) Aug 20 15:01:04 AND Aug 20 15:01:07 nniiicceee Aug 20 15:01:09 the fon sets up a proper CA Aug 20 15:01:17 so, you have per user certificates Aug 20 15:01:20 that is just what the doctor ordered Aug 20 15:01:26 whcih you can disable/enable/revoces ..... Aug 20 15:01:30 indeed Aug 20 15:01:39 that is precisely what i'm looking for Aug 20 15:01:59 i'm doing just that with hamachi...but with the fonera always on that would be the best Aug 20 15:02:40 i installed that wake on lan plugin Aug 20 15:02:48 VPNs is a new world for me to explore Aug 20 15:03:06 it is very nice Aug 20 15:03:22 the fonerra already has upnp support Aug 20 15:03:29 for instance Aug 20 15:03:35 I'm investigating how to set it up on my Debian server Aug 20 15:03:47 and what i want to try is creat a vpn and access all my remote media on the fon Aug 20 15:03:56 and on the pcs Aug 20 15:04:31 right now i can only do that with hamachi...but fon isnt available since it is in a separate network Aug 20 15:05:23 because of the 1mbps upload one of the things i'm able to do with no issues Aug 20 15:05:35 is streaming mp3 directly in windows media player Aug 20 15:05:42 movies are a bit harder Aug 20 15:05:54 takes some buffering Aug 20 15:06:38 but with windows 7 upnp/dlna streaming is way improved Aug 20 15:06:59 Comet_: i am also adding dlna :) Aug 20 15:07:14 i am going to buy a dlna client today actually so i cna test my code Aug 20 15:07:22 niiicceeee Aug 20 15:07:28 i made a dlna server work, but due to lack of client i could not test it Aug 20 15:07:31 hehe Aug 20 15:07:32 so in the future the fonera can be a media server Aug 20 15:07:36 si Aug 20 15:07:42 the 20N will be Aug 20 15:07:50 for the 20 we have to see if the power is enough Aug 20 15:07:56 thats why it appears in the fonera plans Aug 20 15:07:56 Are there clients separete from TVs or other devices? Aug 20 15:08:12 the packages, once working on 20N will compile for 20 aswell and then it is a matter of testing it Aug 20 15:08:17 to tell you the truth i bought the 2.0 only to test what i can do Aug 20 15:08:24 hehe Aug 20 15:08:25 the 20n is what im aming for Aug 20 15:08:29 well Aug 20 15:08:33 it sells on 15th sept Aug 20 15:08:40 i have had the unit for 4 months now Aug 20 15:08:43 and i love it Aug 20 15:08:54 i got 5 of the firsat 100 mass produced units last week Aug 20 15:09:03 and gave them to family and friends for real life testing Aug 20 15:09:09 my father loves me even more now Aug 20 15:09:13 he he Aug 20 15:09:14 he has a nokia N800 Aug 20 15:09:30 he uses it to watch movies stored on the HDD connect to the fon, via wifi Aug 20 15:09:33 and it just works Aug 20 15:09:34 i think you guys will have tremendous sucess with the 20n Aug 20 15:09:46 i F***ing hope so Aug 20 15:09:56 i spent 12 months day and night hacking on it Aug 20 15:09:57 :) Aug 20 15:10:11 cyrusff and me are responsible for 95% of the code :) Aug 20 15:10:26 the best part of the 20N is the usb speed Aug 20 15:10:33 i managed to get to 8,5MB/s Aug 20 15:10:36 also Aug 20 15:10:42 that is good enough for HD Aug 20 15:10:55 transmission has been reported to run for 3 weeks with no reboot and make up to 1,5MB/s downstream Aug 20 15:11:18 i only have a 700KB dsl and i get 700KB at a system load of 0.64 Aug 20 15:11:21 yes, transmission seems solid rock in2.0g too Aug 20 15:11:27 good Aug 20 15:11:28 :) Aug 20 15:11:49 there is a bug still in the current release, which prevent sthe unmount even when transmission is stopped Aug 20 15:11:53 i fixed that already though Aug 20 15:12:01 i will make a new releas enext week i hope Aug 20 15:12:01 Hope the transmission guys povide a more complete version Aug 20 15:12:19 i sent a fon20n to the main developer of transmission last week :) Aug 20 15:12:33 you guys have any plans on download manager improvements? Aug 20 15:12:40 hmmm Aug 20 15:12:44 make a suggestion :) Aug 20 15:12:52 Blogic, you said you wanted to integrate the transmission gui in the fon-ng gui? Aug 20 15:12:55 jdownloader Aug 20 15:13:05 Decodecoding: yes Aug 20 15:13:09 Comet_: never heard of it Aug 20 15:13:17 Comet_: explain a bit please Aug 20 15:15:01 java based download manager Aug 20 15:15:33 ok Aug 20 15:15:44 popular for being small, low performance requirements integration with megaupload rapidshare and so on Aug 20 15:15:49 the download manager is made by Cyrus and javier makes the firefox plugin Aug 20 15:15:52 open source Aug 20 15:15:57 i will talk to them Aug 20 15:16:10 the firefox plugin is a great tool indeed Aug 20 15:16:10 dlmanager is one of the few things i have nothing to do woith :) Aug 20 15:16:23 Comet_: we are trying to make it detect youtube pages Aug 20 15:16:28 and then rip the video Aug 20 15:16:29 :) Aug 20 15:16:35 i want that feature Aug 20 15:16:37 wow Aug 20 15:16:37 hehe Aug 20 15:16:44 that would be great Aug 20 15:16:48 the fonera turned out to be an awesome device Aug 20 15:17:05 when i meat martin varsiavsky the first time we talked about 4 month Aug 20 15:17:21 no it took 12 and not 4 and we have ideas to spent anothe 20 month on Aug 20 15:17:22 haha Aug 20 15:17:48 what i would alos like is support for usb dvb-t dongles Aug 20 15:17:49 i've been watching you guys and i think you got potential Aug 20 15:17:53 so you can record tv -Y hss Aug 20 15:18:00 Comet_: thanky ou Aug 20 15:18:21 Be carefull, when he comes back from vacation, I could brin a lot more crazy ideas to implement... Aug 20 15:18:35 i am happy that next week i will continue hacking fon-ng Aug 20 15:18:51 i had some other projects to take care of last 2 weeks Aug 20 15:18:51 i can see that you guys are aiming for both the wifi sharing and router does it all market Aug 20 15:18:51 indeed Aug 20 15:18:59 we had the opportunity, so we took it Aug 20 15:19:07 good Aug 20 15:19:09 have you ever heard of xbmc? Aug 20 15:19:32 when 2.3.0.0 is ready, we will start an open discussion Aug 20 15:19:32 Comet_: yes Aug 20 15:19:32 the xbox thing Aug 20 15:19:41 Decodecoding: 2.3.0.0 will be very stable and full featured Aug 20 15:19:51 then we will make a open discussion as to what we will add next Aug 20 15:19:57 yeah ..started on the xbox and it is very popular Aug 20 15:20:03 so, the community can vote on plugins/features and we implement them Aug 20 15:20:14 Comet_: i have a friend he used it for a long time now Aug 20 15:20:30 it is very nice Aug 20 15:20:37 the xbox/ps3 might be a good way of reaching users Aug 20 15:20:40 i am buying a WD TV today Aug 20 15:20:52 and will install the hacked firmware, so usb ethernet and dlna works Aug 20 15:21:06 Decodecoding: indeed, that is what dlna will do Aug 20 15:21:18 dlna will integrate fon20(N) with all those devices Aug 20 15:21:40 the thing is ..we all have a router at home to access the web...we also all want free wifi. and now people want to access media everywhere Aug 20 15:21:49 if you can have it all in a small good priced box Aug 20 15:21:56 thats what people will pick Aug 20 15:22:35 one thing you guys need to think about is some kind of step up program Aug 20 15:22:37 blogic, and what about addind the DSL part to the router? Any conflict with ISPs? Aug 20 15:22:44 know what i mean? Aug 20 15:24:21 s Aug 20 15:25:19 isps are adding fon firmware right? Aug 20 15:25:23 i know zon did that Aug 20 15:25:28 part of your agreement Aug 20 15:26:44 Are Zon-Fon routers working yet? Aug 20 15:26:55 not yet Aug 20 15:27:02 i believe Aug 20 15:27:55 my area in portugal is quite good for fons Aug 20 15:28:10 all residential buildings Aug 20 15:28:14 aha Aug 20 15:28:22 middle class area Aug 20 15:28:34 lots of internet addicts Aug 20 15:28:55 i got the fonera last week and already have people accessing it Aug 20 15:29:33 problem is lots of people keep their fons turned off Aug 20 15:30:03 Many don't even have one Aug 20 15:30:25 i think the problem is people are worried about their download upload velocity Aug 20 15:30:44 right now i dont have any problems sharing because i got a huge surplus Aug 20 15:30:56 100Mbps download 6mbps upload Aug 20 15:31:07 no problem sharing 8mbps at all Aug 20 15:31:08 wow Aug 20 15:31:52 what im aiming is to have access to all media everywhere Aug 20 15:32:08 streaming movies and music from my home network to my mobile phone for instance Aug 20 15:32:30 and right now ..stream stuff from portugal to spain Aug 20 15:32:41 Comet_: me too Aug 20 15:32:52 we have a media serve in my afther cellar Aug 20 15:32:58 i currently rsync Aug 20 15:33:00 to give you an idea ...right now with 1mbps i can easly browse my portuguese computer Aug 20 15:33:03 but ideally we ave 1 sevrer Aug 20 15:33:09 hear music and get movies Aug 20 15:33:11 Comet_: i know Aug 20 15:33:19 4Mbit for HD Aug 20 15:33:21 :)I Aug 20 15:33:26 yeah it is enough Aug 20 15:33:40 i got orb setup in both my portugues and spanish pcs Aug 20 15:33:45 you know Orb? Aug 20 15:34:31 its a media everywhere web application... Martin has spoken of it on its blog one time Aug 20 15:35:05 yes Aug 20 15:35:28 one very nice thing is that it transcodes everything and in the web interface you can setup for adobe flash streaming asf real media or quick time Aug 20 15:35:45 my company network blocks asf Aug 20 15:35:48 but flash Aug 20 15:35:50 well Aug 20 15:36:02 everyone lets you stream flash :D Aug 20 15:36:21 hehe Aug 20 15:36:25 so at work im always streaming my music from my spanish pc Aug 20 15:36:32 with only a 128 kbps upload Aug 20 15:37:45 but anyway...i think you guys got a very sound strategy for your company Aug 20 15:38:21 Comet_: i hope so Aug 20 15:38:23 well Aug 20 15:38:30 i am only involved in the router part Aug 20 15:38:37 the wifi sharing is different people Aug 20 15:38:45 i consider the fonspot 1 of many features Aug 20 15:38:56 others at fon consider fon-ng a fonspot with some extras :) Aug 20 15:39:00 can i be honest with you? Aug 20 15:39:02 i think this is good Aug 20 15:39:04 sure Aug 20 15:39:11 i am only a subcontractor :) Aug 20 15:39:12 haha Aug 20 15:39:31 * blogic put on the helmet just in case :) Aug 20 15:39:31 i really don't know why the big shots didnt try what you guys have started some years ago Aug 20 15:39:39 hehe Aug 20 15:39:40 i know Aug 20 15:39:53 it is like the music industry that forgot about mp3 and internet i think Aug 20 15:39:59 exactly Aug 20 15:40:00 i never understood exactly that problem Aug 20 15:40:07 the thing is Aug 20 15:40:15 the technology is there, why not use it ? Aug 20 15:40:32 you guys see all those media servers around? Aug 20 15:40:40 HP Media Server with Windows Home Server Aug 20 15:40:44 and stuff like that? Aug 20 15:41:06 there is one piece of hardware that everyone has at home Aug 20 15:41:10 a router Aug 20 15:41:36 and in the future even if it wont be a router it will be a wireless ap Aug 20 15:41:45 or whatever Aug 20 15:42:09 but there will be always something that will be the "internet connector" so to speak Aug 20 15:42:37 if you can have that piece of hardware do everything an "internet connected person" wants Aug 20 15:42:47 you don't need hp media servers Aug 20 15:42:55 Comet_: :) really ? i never noticed :) Aug 20 15:42:57 haha Aug 20 15:43:04 >P Aug 20 15:43:08 :P Aug 20 15:43:09 Comet_: you kind of explained our model there :) Aug 20 15:43:10