**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 25 02:59:56 2009
Aug 25 06:47:19 <Danicasti> Buongiorno!
Aug 25 10:29:00 <DaW> hello
Aug 25 10:30:13 <blogic> hi
Aug 25 10:37:10 <DaW> tada galesi siust tik golden torrentus :)
Aug 25 10:37:12 <DaW> ops
Aug 25 10:37:15 <DaW> wrong chan
Aug 25 10:48:51 <DaW> hey guys
Aug 25 10:49:23 <DaW> im trying to update the router, and the webpage didnt load fully, but when i connect through ssh, and do uptime iut gives
Aug 25 10:49:24 <DaW> 04:32:27 up 17 min, load average: 0.00, 0.05, 0.14
Aug 25 10:49:29 <DaW> i dont think its updating
Aug 25 10:50:30 <DaW> last time i didnt an upgrade it gave me a timer
Aug 25 10:50:34 <DaW> now it just didnt load
Aug 25 10:56:10 <Andy80> hi
Aug 25 11:00:18 <blogic> lo
Aug 25 11:00:38 <blogic> DaW: you get a timer when you upgrade
Aug 25 11:00:52 <blogic> DaW: try to factoiry reset it and then upgrade
Aug 25 11:01:10 <DaW> but i didnt get a timer
Aug 25 11:01:14 <DaW> the page is styill loading
Aug 25 11:01:22 <DaW> when i pressed upgrade
Aug 25 11:01:22 <blogic> hmm
Aug 25 11:01:25 <blogic> ok
Aug 25 11:01:36 <blogic> do a "ps | grep mtd"
Aug 25 11:01:41 <blogic> in the sh shell
Aug 25 11:01:45 <blogic> in the ssh shell
Aug 25 11:01:57 <DaW> 103 root 0 SW< [mtdblockd]
Aug 25 11:01:58 <DaW> 349 root 0 SWN [jffs2_gcd_mtd4]
Aug 25 11:01:58 <DaW> 2243 root 1968 S grep mtd
Aug 25 11:02:24 <blogic> ok, it is not upgrading
Aug 25 11:02:55 <DaW> i guess i can restart it then
Aug 25 11:02:57 <DaW> and try again
Aug 25 11:03:07 <blogic> sure
Aug 25 11:13:48 <DaW> ok
Aug 25 11:13:49 <DaW> same thing
Aug 25 11:20:00 <blogic> hmm
Aug 25 11:20:08 <blogic> what file are you trying to flahs ?
Aug 25 11:22:03 <DaW> 20090713_FON2202_2.2.6.0_rc5_DEV.tar.gz
Aug 25 11:22:45 <blogic> hmmmm
Aug 25 11:22:47 <blogic> strange
Aug 25 11:22:51 <blogic> i will ask iurgi
Aug 25 11:23:04 <blogic> i cannot release images myself, only he is allowed to
Aug 25 11:23:06 <blogic> i am sorry
Aug 25 11:23:38 <DaW> ok
Aug 25 11:23:56 <DaW> whats the default password ?
Aug 25 11:24:00 <blogic> admin
Aug 25 11:24:26 <DaW> t.y.
Aug 25 11:24:56 <DaW> trying one more time
Aug 25 11:25:01 <DaW> with default settings
Aug 25 11:26:03 <DaW> woho
Aug 25 11:26:04 <DaW> !
Aug 25 11:26:07 <DaW> i has a timer
Aug 25 11:28:05 <blogic> lol
Aug 25 12:05:45 <Andy80> I tried to ask yesterday but I couldn't see the reply (if there was any): when 2.2.6.0 final image will be available?
Aug 25 12:06:36 <blogic> Andy80: 2.3.0.0 is in the internal testing
Aug 25 12:06:40 <blogic> i guess 1-2 weeks more
Aug 25 12:06:59 <blogic> we decided to skip 2.2.6.0. the many releases were too much
Aug 25 12:07:18 <blogic> Andy80: fon20n will ship with 2.3.0.0 and that is in 2 weeks :)
Aug 25 12:07:36 <blogic> and we will release a new set of plugins and so on and images etc etc
Aug 25 12:07:39 <blogic> there will be a new plugin
Aug 25 12:07:42 <blogic> openvpn
Aug 25 12:07:48 <blogic> and music is fixed
Aug 25 12:07:53 <blogic> and webcam has been rewritten
Aug 25 12:08:05 <Andy80> blogic, cool! it's important for me because I'll be at home in 1-2 week and if I can upgrade to 2.2.6.0, I'll be able to do all the other upgrades remotely, without loosing my settings, right?
Aug 25 12:08:26 <Andy80> I don't have a Fonera 2.0n,what's the main difference?
Aug 25 12:08:40 <blogic> 802.11g vs 802.11n
Aug 25 12:08:45 <blogic> its a new more powerfull hw
Aug 25 12:09:49 <Andy80> ah ok... but I don't have any 802.11n device at home...
Aug 25 12:10:05 <blogic> hehe
Aug 25 12:10:06 <blogic> :)
Aug 25 12:10:08 <DaW> blogic will it support more webcams ?
Aug 25 12:10:13 <blogic> DaW: not yet
Aug 25 12:10:14 <blogic> BUT
Aug 25 12:10:20 <blogic> we have our own webcam app now
Aug 25 12:10:25 <blogic> befre we used 3rd party
Aug 25 12:10:31 <DaW> i see
Aug 25 12:10:31 <blogic> and adding new cams is now possible
Aug 25 12:10:35 <blogic> before it was not
Aug 25 12:10:56 <DaW> btw, i updated succesfully
Aug 25 12:12:16 <Andy80> blogic, anyway, even if Fonera let me save/upload settings I think I'll have a problem: suppose I'm in a remote place, I upgrade the firmware and let the Fonera reboot. When it boots, the default setting doesn't let me connect to the web panel from a remote location, even if I've forwarded ports on my router... so how can I solve this?
Aug 25 12:12:54 <blogic> ahhh
Aug 25 12:13:15 <blogic> the official images will keep your settings over a flash :)
Aug 25 12:14:03 <Andy80> ah cool :)
Aug 25 12:14:29 <Andy80> official images include the one with "developer mode" enabled?
Aug 25 12:14:55 <blogic> yes
Aug 25 12:14:56 <blogic> well
Aug 25 12:15:01 <blogic> yes
Aug 25 12:15:49 <Andy80> cool
Aug 25 12:16:21 <DaW> damn it
Aug 25 12:16:24 <DaW> iv lost my webcam
Aug 25 12:16:30 <Andy80> but... if I upgrade now (from remote location) from 2.2.5.0 to 2.2.6.0RC5 it won't keep my settings, right?
Aug 25 12:16:34 <DaW> its somehwre in my room
Aug 25 12:16:35 <DaW> just cant find it
Aug 25 12:17:36 <blogic> Andy80: no
Aug 25 12:17:42 <blogic> Andy80: only new updates will have it
Aug 25 12:17:48 <blogic> not sure if RC5 does it already
Aug 25 12:19:17 <DaW> blogic when will the new webcam plugin come out ?
Aug 25 12:19:19 <Andy80> blogic, here http://blog.fonosfera.org/here-it-is-the-long-awaited-rc3-ehr-rc4/ you write that RC4 has this function, but I don't understand if it's valid only if you do another upgrade after you already have the RC4 or if it works anyway just putting the RC4 or RC5
Aug 25 12:20:18 <blogic> RC5 update will always make the files restored
Aug 25 12:20:24 <blogic> i mean settings should be kept
Aug 25 12:22:32 <Andy80> blogic, maybe I don't express my self very well in english, sorry ;) I try to make the question more short and direct: I've 2.2.5.0 now. If I upgrade to 2.2.6.0 RC5 will my ACTUAL settings be kept?
Aug 25 12:24:31 <blogic> yes
Aug 25 12:27:16 <Andy80> ok... I try to upgrade now from remote... very remote (I'm in Spain and my Fonera2 is in Italy ) :D
Aug 25 12:28:22 <DaW> holy crap
Aug 25 12:28:24 <DaW> that is far
Aug 25 12:28:48 * Andy80 cross fingers...
Aug 25 12:30:59 <blogic> lol
Aug 25 12:31:15 <blogic> i wish you luck
Aug 25 12:37:57 <Andy80> upload of the new firmware is completed, now is upgrading the fonera2 (23 minutes left)
Aug 25 12:39:34 <blogic> ok
Aug 25 12:39:41 <blogic> lets hope for the best
Aug 25 12:42:46 <Andy80> yes.... anyway it's not a vital machine ;) if it works good, else I'll configure it in 2 weeks
Aug 25 12:43:08 <blogic> hehe
Aug 25 12:52:46 <Andy80> do you think is it possible to change the SSH listening port?
Aug 25 12:53:56 <Andy80> the problem with my main router (netgear 834g) is that it doesn't let me forward to a different port. For example... I can set it to redirect all incoming connection to port 22, to a LAN ip on the port 22
Aug 25 12:54:16 <Andy80> but 22 is already used by another pc, so I'd like to use 2222 for example
Aug 25 13:01:43 <Andy80> an alert message box just told me that F2 has finished flashing.... I'll wait it for reboot...
Aug 25 13:04:58 <DaW> i wish u luck
Aug 25 13:07:12 <Andy80> uhm..... I need more than luck.... don't know if it's normal and how much time does it take to do the first reboot, but I'm connected to the admin panel of my Netgear router and in "Attached Devices" I cannot see it connected :P
Aug 25 13:13:16 <DaW> well, i rebooted my device after you said you restarted yours
Aug 25 13:13:21 <DaW> and mine is working fine
Aug 25 13:13:25 <blogic> hmm
Aug 25 13:14:01 <Andy80> maybe the first reboot takes more time... don't know...
Aug 25 13:14:35 <blogic> it does
Aug 25 13:14:39 <blogic> but not is much
Aug 25 13:14:46 <Andy80> I can wait 1 hour and call my parents and ask them to disconnect/reconnect the power cable to see if it comes back :\
Aug 25 13:15:38 <Andy80> blogic, in the howto you write it takes 45 minutes and it only took 28 minutes to flash it... maybe it's 30 + 15 ?
Aug 25 13:20:32 <blogic> hmm
Aug 25 13:25:35 <DaW> blogic your probably tired of us bothering you, but how do i go about installing opkg packaages ? ive done it before
Aug 25 13:25:38 <DaW> but forgot how to
Aug 25 13:25:50 <blogic> hmmm
Aug 25 13:25:54 <blogic> i think there is a wiki page
Aug 25 13:26:02 <blogic> i am not sure exactly myself how to do it
Aug 25 13:26:29 <DaW> irssi_0.8.10-1_mips. 100% |*******************************| 308k 00:00:00 ETA
Aug 25 13:26:29 <DaW> Installing irssi (0.8.10-1) to root...
Aug 25 13:26:29 <DaW> Collected errors:
Aug 25 13:26:30 <DaW> * Only have 0 available blocks on filesystem /, pkg irssi needs 883
Aug 25 13:26:36 <DaW> thats what i get when i try to do it
Aug 25 13:26:58 <DaW> maybe i should cd to a diff directory ?
Aug 25 13:28:03 <blogic> no
Aug 25 13:28:13 <blogic> there is a ---ignore-size or summin
Aug 25 13:28:26 <xMff> which doesnt work :)
Aug 25 13:28:34 <xMff> echo option force_space >> /etc/opkg.conf
Aug 25 13:29:55 <DaW> t.y.
Aug 25 13:29:58 <DaW> that worked
Aug 25 13:38:27 <Andy80> I just call my mother and asked her to disconnect power cable and to reconnect it: after few minutes all lights are on as expected and now I can see FONERA2 in the list of "Attached Devices" in the Netgear panel :)
Aug 25 13:38:49 <Andy80> well.... the web panel doesn't work anymore but could it be that settings have not been kept :(
Aug 25 13:49:58 <DaW> probably
Aug 25 13:50:00 <DaW> brb
Aug 25 13:50:03 <DaW> testing wake on lan
Aug 25 13:52:50 <Andy80> blogic, I'm inside my home PC with ssh, trying to ssh into the fonera2. It replyes to my ping's but I cannot ssh into it :(
Aug 25 14:03:22 <blogic> hmmm
Aug 25 14:03:38 <blogic> in that case i assume the ssh state was not preserved
Aug 25 14:03:39 <blogic> grml
Aug 25 14:03:44 <DaW> damn it
Aug 25 14:03:46 <DaW> i failed
Aug 25 14:13:07 <Andy80> blogic, nothing of the setup was saved I think :(
Aug 25 14:13:36 <DaW|> which ethernet socket on the back is for the pc ?
Aug 25 14:13:39 <DaW|> black or white ?
Aug 25 14:13:59 <Andy80> is there a way to manage it via command line or do I have to do it with a browser?
Aug 25 14:16:00 <skynetbbs> @andy80 : settings could be preserved yes... but you will have to go to applications and reexecute the "developer mode" and reboot once to let it create/enable the ssh access...
Aug 25 14:16:32 <skynetbbs> @andy80: so if you are able to connect to the webinterface...you can go to applications to enable "developer" mode and to settings->system for the reboot button :-)
Aug 25 14:16:49 <Andy80> skynetbbs, I can only use ssh :(
Aug 25 14:17:09 <Andy80> skynetbbs, I'm trying to setup x11vnc on my home pc....
Aug 25 14:18:55 <blogic> skynetbbs: do you eavesdrop over the log ?! :)
Aug 25 14:20:19 <skynetbbs> also the webgui is by default only open from the "lan"... not from the wan...
Aug 25 14:20:44 <skynetbbs> yeah I check the logs frequently... allready added xMff's tip to the wiki about the opkg space issue
Aug 25 14:22:24 <blogic> ah
Aug 25 14:22:26 <blogic> ok, cool
Aug 25 14:22:41 <blogic> i am busy makeing transmission work inside the fon webui
Aug 25 14:22:51 <blogic> so you do not need to use the transmisison one
Aug 25 14:22:58 <blogic> i will keep it in the image though to be compatible
Aug 25 14:23:17 <blogic> skynetbbs: i thought iurgi added sysupgrade to RC5
Aug 25 14:23:19 <blogic> hmm
Aug 25 14:23:22 <blogic> very strange
Aug 25 14:24:09 <skynetbbs> I haven't tested sysupgrade myself...but from the reactions from people trying it out... it didn't work as expected...settings were lost...
Aug 25 14:24:30 <skynetbbs> Personally I try Redboot upgrades...they don't keep sysupgrades
Aug 25 14:29:48 <blogic> i always use redboot
Aug 25 14:30:30 <skynetbbs> I found sysupgrade in the /sbin folder.... but not keen in running it at the moment(i'm also remote... :-)
Aug 25 14:33:25 <skynetbbs> root@Fonera:/sbin# ./sysupgrade -i dummy    gives Firmware upgrade is not implemented for this platform..... dunno where "platform_check_image" is done
Aug 25 14:33:59 <xMff> in /lib/upgrade/platform.sh
Aug 25 14:34:09 <xMff> which does not exist for atheros targets
Aug 25 14:34:39 <skynetbbs> indeed I checked that folder and it only contained common.sh and luci-add-conffiles.sh ... also checked /etc/functions.sh
Aug 25 14:40:33 <skynetbbs> gone again...worky work
Aug 25 14:40:36 <Andy80> skynetbbs, blogic I've successfully configured x11vnc on my home PC and I'm using my home browser :) the problem is that trying to open http://192.168.0.105 doesn't work... isn't it allowed even from inside the LAN?
Aug 25 14:41:13 <skynetbbs> no probably you have to get at 192.168.10.1 somehow... and reenable it under settings -> firewall -> policy (or whatever it's called)
Aug 25 14:41:31 <skynetbbs> enable "webgui & ssh" to wan
Aug 25 14:43:48 <Andy80> trying to open 192.168.10.1 too but it does nothing... uhm...
Aug 25 14:43:54 <Andy80> neither an error damn it
Aug 25 14:46:53 <Andy80> what is the default IP of the fonera2 the first time you flash it?
Aug 25 14:49:44 <Andy80> n.b: my LAN ip is 192.168.0.x
Aug 25 14:49:59 <Andy80> maybe I'm not able to communicate with 192.168.10.1 ?
Aug 25 14:50:20 <blogic> 192.168.10.1
Aug 25 14:50:24 <blogic> yes
Aug 25 14:50:28 <blogic> that is the case
Aug 25 14:50:50 <Andy80> and... how was possible to setup it the first time?
Aug 25 14:51:06 <Andy80> uhm..... is it mandatory to be connected to the wifi signal?
Aug 25 16:27:02 <DaW> hey guys, any news on bluetooth ?
Aug 25 18:55:06 <DaW> hey guys
Aug 25 18:55:12 <DaW> for some reason i cant install any plugins
Aug 25 19:12:59 <DaW> is there a way to install a plugin from the console ?
Aug 25 19:13:15 <DaW> i.e. from ssh
Aug 25 19:36:27 <Decodecoding> Hi. Can I format a USB stick connected to fonera from SSH console?
Aug 25 19:50:55 <blogic> not yet
Aug 25 19:51:50 <Decodecoding> I need to format it but it is 90 Km away. I guess it is the lack of mkfs...
Aug 25 19:54:18 <DaW|> if only there were robots to plug in another one...
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