**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 19 02:59:59 2009 Oct 19 06:51:42 Buongiorno! Oct 19 06:57:59 buongiornoj Oct 19 06:58:01 *-j Oct 19 07:35:20 Hi guys, I have bought a Fonera 2.0n and I have flashed a developer mode firmware on it but I have problems opening ssh port on wan (9091 port opens succesfully). Someone can help me? Oct 19 07:37:55 Nmap says port were closed but I have opened them from Luci interface Oct 19 08:04:30 can anybody tell me what's the maximum of diskspace i can attatch to the fonera 2.0n? Oct 19 08:04:37 hmmm Oct 19 08:04:46 there hsould be no limit Oct 19 08:04:49 I mean Oct 19 08:04:55 there is but not in the market Oct 19 08:04:57 :) Oct 19 08:05:25 because i have an 320GB NTFS and now the fonera detects it but after a few seconds it's no more listet Oct 19 08:05:37 and i have no idea what i've done wrong Oct 19 08:06:46 dunno, maybe you set it to ignore mode Oct 19 08:06:47 mornind Oct 19 08:06:52 hi blogic Oct 19 08:09:21 before when it worked and the hdd went in standby mode i wasn't able to wake it up again. so i had to remove it and connect it again or restart the fonera :( Oct 19 08:15:08 Hi guys! Any news about a wifi mode into the F2n? :P Oct 19 08:16:07 alexsc: no Oct 19 08:16:09 tops Oct 19 08:16:10 Danicasti: no Oct 19 08:16:16 it won't happen in a short time Oct 19 08:16:38 alexsc: hmmm Oct 19 08:16:52 is it an HDD or a multimedia thingie? Oct 19 08:17:04 :( Oct 19 08:17:18 it's a normal seagate 2,5" external hdd Oct 19 08:21:51 strange Oct 19 08:22:00 does it work properly with other PCs? Oct 19 08:24:52 yes Oct 19 08:25:18 so i will try it this evening again. maybe i have set the ignore mode Oct 19 08:32:38 may be a USB problem? Oct 19 08:41:57 DreamOfMirrors: well, might be Oct 19 08:42:05 but haven't seen other cases yet Oct 19 08:42:11 or nobody described it the same way Oct 19 08:43:09 so i will try it this evening again wehn i'm at home and tell it more detailed Oct 19 08:53:40 thanks so far Oct 19 09:19:27 hi iurgi, I have a strange problem with developer firmware with ssh access Oct 19 09:19:33 I cannot access from WAN Oct 19 09:20:10 did you set the password *after* upgrading? Oct 19 09:22:11 uhm, I can access SSH from LAN and from Wifi Oct 19 09:22:33 the problem may be that ports were closed... Oct 19 09:22:52 with NMAP I can see that only 9091 is accessible from internet Oct 19 09:23:16 (because I have selected to be accessible from LUCI configuration panel) Oct 19 09:26:13 [I'm using an ADSL modem in bridged mode] Oct 19 09:27:09 did you set the password *after* upgrading? Oct 19 09:28:55 may be not Oct 19 09:29:20 when I return home I will try Oct 19 09:29:38 the thing is Oct 19 09:30:02 that the flag that says the password is secure for WAN access Oct 19 09:30:09 is not saved when reflashing Oct 19 09:30:12 so you lose it Oct 19 09:30:40 and you can only enable it by setting the password again Oct 19 09:31:36 but, I think that port 22 will be open anyway. Or not? Oct 19 09:32:35 no Oct 19 09:32:42 there is a flag that controls that Oct 19 09:32:50 if the flag is not set, it won't be open on the wan side Oct 19 09:33:07 perfect, thanks I will try! Oct 19 09:33:14 you're welcome! Oct 19 09:33:28 than another little problem with VPN Oct 19 09:36:04 there is a problem with certificates, they will be valid in the future (fonera date is always september 2009) Oct 19 09:36:32 I think I can solve the problem with NTP Oct 19 09:36:51 lol Oct 19 09:37:09 I see that it's enabled but, it seems it doesn't work Oct 19 09:40:09 if I launch ntpclient by hand it works :) Oct 19 09:41:18 yeah... we should take a closer look at the NTP miplementation Oct 19 09:41:26 I think it's not very neat Oct 19 09:41:36 it's old... from the foneraplus Oct 19 09:42:30 ok, no problem I can solve it by hand Oct 19 09:43:59 it's very nice playing with those foneras 2.0n :) Oct 19 09:44:30 :) Oct 19 09:44:42 yeah, I enjoy it too Oct 19 09:44:51 but have not much time for playing around :( Oct 19 09:58:41 iurgi: do you know when the next firmware version will be ready to be released for the F2N? Oct 19 10:00:12 hmmm Oct 19 10:00:17 well, we're really busy now Oct 19 10:00:30 hopefully by november Oct 19 10:00:56 nice Oct 19 10:02:48 Good morning. Iurgi, what about the apps por 2.3.0.1 of 2.0g. I'd really like to have the "switch" to dev mode one... (A) Oct 19 11:03:37 ciao Oct 19 11:04:14 ciao Oct 19 11:04:44 I noticed that the internal time of the Fonera is not correct ... I fixed it with cron and ntpvlient: http://boards.fon.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=6253 Oct 19 11:05:03 *ntpclient Oct 19 11:05:42 was there a way to fix it faster? Oct 19 11:07:25 joseph: hmmm Oct 19 11:08:09 not for now... Oct 19 11:08:14 but that is permanent, right? Oct 19 11:08:19 yes Oct 19 11:08:21 I mean, you don't need to do it everytime Oct 19 11:08:30 we will fix this for all in the next release Oct 19 11:08:36 exact Oct 19 11:08:49 ok thanks Oct 19 11:09:14 I read that there will be the bridge mode ... is it true? Oct 19 11:10:23 hmmm Oct 19 11:10:26 not exactly Oct 19 11:10:38 some people suggested a work around for the bridge mode here Oct 19 11:10:46 but they never confirmed if it worked Oct 19 11:10:49 we are happy to add it Oct 19 11:10:56 but hav eno time right now to implement it Oct 19 11:11:10 so when they come back with any good results, we might make a plugin for that Oct 19 11:11:27 and if it is confirmed by more users as working good, then we might add it to the firmware Oct 19 11:11:46 but unless someone makes a usable patch, we won't hav emuch time to invest in it in the coming 1-2 months Oct 19 11:11:49 :( Oct 19 11:11:58 I was very happy to see some users started to test it by themselves Oct 19 11:12:11 it seemed like they would come up with an easy solution with our suggestions... Oct 19 11:12:14 but nothing :( Oct 19 11:12:26 use the 4-port of the Fonera 2.0 in bridge would be wonderful Oct 19 11:13:23 I read and test the patch of monossido: http://www.lorenzobraghetto.com/index.php/2009/09/08/fonera-2-0-bridge/ Oct 19 11:14:21 but once applied the public signal dhcp not working well Oct 19 11:16:23 I spoke with his creator and he said that in the coming days will try to fix it Oct 19 11:21:07 I regret that the bridge is not expected from you in the shortest time ... I think that this feature can do very well in sales of the Fonera 2.0 Oct 19 11:29:38 I wanted to congratulate you for the excellent work you are doing ... with the latest fw my fonera is working perfectly Oct 19 11:32:24 what is even meant by bridge mode? wifi bridge or lan-wan-bridge? Oct 19 11:33:29 we were talking about the lan-wan-bridge Oct 19 11:33:57 joseph: thanks a lot Oct 19 11:34:06 we really appreciate the good comments (as well as the bad ones ;D) Oct 19 11:34:28 xMff: there's a weird naming around this ;) Oct 19 11:34:43 iurgi:what is right is right! Oct 19 11:34:48 our users tend to name "reapeater" to the wifi-client mode and bridge to the lan-wan bridge Oct 19 11:34:57 joseph: :) Oct 19 11:35:11 joseph: monossido's patch is what I was talking about Oct 19 11:35:17 he never came back with results Oct 19 11:35:26 happy to see he posted something Oct 19 11:35:26 :) Oct 19 11:35:39 I will talk to him when he shows up around here Oct 19 11:35:43 iurgi: ah so the f2 should basically act as managed switch (for the ethernet) Oct 19 11:35:57 yes Oct 19 11:36:09 xMff: remember, you were helping monossido with some patches Oct 19 11:36:14 yes Oct 19 11:37:39 Look, I tell her that you want to talk ... maybe something good is born and running ... :-) Oct 19 11:37:39 her? Oct 19 11:37:39 haha Oct 19 11:37:42 his Oct 19 11:37:46 I guess lorenzo is a guy Oct 19 11:37:47 :P Oct 19 11:37:52 noooo lol Oct 19 11:38:04 I said guy, not gay ;) Oct 19 11:38:15 ahahah Oct 19 11:38:29 XD Oct 19 11:38:54 what are the next additions / fixes planned for the next update? Oct 19 11:39:55 pfff Oct 19 11:39:57 dunno Oct 19 11:39:58 XD Oct 19 11:40:02 many Oct 19 11:42:07 xd Oct 19 11:42:08 released soon? Oct 19 11:43:27 hmmm Oct 19 11:43:32 not in less than a month, probably Oct 19 11:43:33 :( Oct 19 11:46:45 understood ... I hope then in output of some plugins this month. Oct 19 11:46:47 Good work and congratulations again! Oct 19 11:48:57 hello and see you soon! Oct 19 11:52:22 thank you! Oct 19 11:52:23 see you Oct 19 11:52:32 you are welcome to come around and participate Oct 19 11:52:32 :) Oct 19 11:52:57 and what about dhcp forwarding? Oct 19 11:53:34 for? Oct 19 11:54:11 fonera 2.0n Oct 19 11:54:41 it is crucial for my network Oct 19 11:54:50 why? Oct 19 11:55:18 because i do not want to have the fonera acting as another dhcp server Oct 19 12:17:31 iurgi: I forgot to ask you something... Oct 19 12:17:40 sure Oct 19 12:17:54 with my old fonera (1.0) with FreeWLAN I can understand when someone connects, their e-mail and how long they have left. Oct 19 12:18:03 with the Fonera 2.0 I understand that someone connects through the wireless led turns orange and the message I get via twitter Oct 19 12:18:24 their email?!?!?! Oct 19 12:18:36 this freewlan guys are crazy Oct 19 12:18:40 yes Oct 19 12:18:43 you konw that's illegal, right? Oct 19 12:18:53 anyway Oct 19 12:19:12 is possible in Fonera 2.0 with logread Oct 19 12:19:13 hmm might not be illegal Oct 19 12:19:20 but not nice at all Oct 19 12:19:37 what do you want in logread? Oct 19 12:20:48 if someone connects to the public signal, the command in ssh logread tells you his e-mail Oct 19 12:22:21 was publicized a few months ago this feature Fonera 2.0: http://boards.fon.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=6202 Oct 19 12:23:21 sorry but I cannot help you get the email of the people that connect to fon Oct 19 12:23:22 :( Oct 19 12:23:29 why do you want that, anyway?? Oct 19 12:24:27 maybe I have explained badly ... Oct 19 12:24:58 haha Oct 19 12:24:59 maybe Oct 19 12:26:41 e-mail address is already now easily retrievable with a single command in ssh (logread) ... but this does not interest me. I just want to know whether it is an alien or Bill / Linus and how many minutes have available Oct 19 12:28:36 since it was promised in the blog of Italian fon, I thought it was near the exit of this feature Oct 19 12:35:49 iurgi, you're still online? Oct 19 12:37:24 yes Oct 19 12:37:32 no Oct 19 12:37:38 we won't have this feature, imo Oct 19 12:37:45 I don't know who promised that :o Oct 19 12:37:58 but he was wrong Oct 19 12:38:47 uao Oct 19 12:42:26 iurgi: Your doing the imo thing again :-p Oct 19 12:44:14 understood ... however, it would be nice to have at least the information not be against the laws of privacy: the number of fonero connected, their type (bill or alien) and the time available to them. This not go against any law. Oct 19 12:45:44 iurgi: do you know the retail price of the 11n? Oct 19 12:46:16 without any rebate etc. Oct 19 12:47:44 blathijs: haha Oct 19 12:48:01 joseph: yes, I agree on that Oct 19 12:48:16 we have a plan for improving the "fonspot" page of the fonera Oct 19 12:48:22 some of these features will be there Oct 19 12:48:26 when we have the time ;) Oct 19 12:48:36 thank's a lot Oct 19 12:49:55 ah 79 Eur Oct 19 12:50:49 iurgi: congratulations for all! see you! Oct 19 12:51:14 thanks Oct 19 12:51:16 bye! Oct 19 15:44:08 beep Oct 19 15:53:16 hi@all ever seen this message? cannot read /tmp/luci-templatecache/0/fon%2fmaster_dashboard.lua: Input/output error stack traceback: [C]: in function '?' ?: in function '__init__' ?: in function 'Template' ?: in function 'render' ?: in function (tail call): ? ?: in function 'dispatch' ?: in function Oct 19 15:55:01 Input/Output error is the culprit, this usually happens if the underlying filesystem is damaged or if some block devices are having problems Oct 19 15:55:50 however, can you try to rm -rf /tmp/luci-templatecache and retry? Oct 19 15:56:09 and before you do that, run "free" to see how much ram is available on your device Oct 19 15:56:42 since /tmp is a ramdisk, it maybe ran out of space Oct 19 15:56:44 ok thanks Oct 19 15:56:50 i'll try Oct 19 17:42:30 http://download.fonosfera.org/RC/20090909_FON2303_2.3.0.1_RC2.tgz Oct 19 17:42:49 why it is marked as fon2303 and x.x.x.1? Oct 19 18:04:04 Lee-mon: 2303 is the hardware version number, it means the 2.0n hardware Oct 19 18:04:13 Lee-mon: 2202 is the 2.0g hardware Oct 19 18:04:32 Lee-mon: But now that you mention it, 2303 is awfully similar to 2.3.0.3 :-) Oct 19 18:04:39 i know but the x.x.x.1 is only for 2302 right? Oct 19 18:05:21 I think that that image version was a typo, it should be 2.3.0.0_RC2 IIRC Oct 19 18:05:25 I thought they fixed that Oct 19 18:05:42 hmm Oct 19 18:05:56 ok Oct 19 18:05:58 =) Oct 19 18:06:34 iurgi: I thought someone was going to fix the version number in http://download.fonosfera.org/RC/20090909_FON2303_2.3.0.1_RC2.tgz, it should be 2.3.0.0 AFAICS? Oct 19 18:06:37 transmission makes the web of fonera so slow Oct 19 18:07:49 whats up with that? Oct 19 18:59:47 oi Oct 19 18:59:56 what is the last firmware for fonera 2.0n? Oct 19 19:00:23 i have Fonera 20n Firmware (v2.2.6.0) Oct 19 19:01:45 2.3.0.0 Oct 19 19:02:06 go to the applications menu Oct 19 19:02:12 and install the firmware upgrade Oct 19 19:02:34 found it Oct 19 19:02:38 mmm Oct 19 19:02:47 the disk Oct 19 19:02:53 in what format must be? Oct 19 19:02:53 oi means that u are from brasil? Oct 19 19:02:54 xD Oct 19 19:03:06 i'm italian Oct 19 19:03:15 is an mode for say "hi" Oct 19 19:03:16 XD Oct 19 19:03:25 i know Oct 19 19:03:26 xD Oct 19 19:03:32 you? Oct 19 19:03:33 but only in portuguese Oct 19 19:03:37 Portuguese Oct 19 19:04:02 oh :) Oct 19 19:04:06 in brasil they use very very often 'oi' Oct 19 19:04:13 i love Portugese gals Oct 19 19:04:14 xD Oct 19 19:04:23 hehe Oct 19 19:04:30 mmm Oct 19 19:04:34 i have no complains... xD Oct 19 19:04:49 the usb pen in what format must be for be readed on fon? Oct 19 19:05:25 ive only tried with fat32... Oct 19 19:05:30 dunno more info Oct 19 19:05:35 barbon: FAT and Ext2/3 should work Oct 19 19:05:51 blathijs are u a dev? Oct 19 19:06:06 Depends on how you define dev :-) Oct 19 19:06:10 hehe Oct 19 19:06:23 i have a disk, with 4 partitions Oct 19 19:06:27 and one of them is ntfs Oct 19 19:06:31 ok i try Oct 19 19:06:33 I do some Fonera development in my spare time, every now and then Oct 19 19:06:44 and it does not appears on the hdd menus Oct 19 19:06:49 Lee-mon: I think NTFS is not supported, but I'm not completely sure Oct 19 19:06:55 btw, where disks are mounted? Oct 19 19:07:03 wrong Oct 19 19:07:03 the nfts was supported with old version Oct 19 19:07:07 of fon2 Oct 19 19:07:09 ntfs is supported of course Oct 19 19:07:14 o.o Oct 19 19:07:28 i am using a ntfs formated disk right now Oct 19 19:07:31 at 2.3.0.0 Oct 19 19:07:36 2.0n Oct 19 19:07:43 Lee-mon: Disks are mounted at /tmp/mounts or something Oct 19 19:08:25 at tmp, good call Oct 19 19:08:53 has the last folder were i look for Oct 19 19:08:53 xD Oct 19 19:12:35 mmm i have an problem Oct 19 19:12:43 i have an usb pen with 16 gb Oct 19 19:12:49 and windows say it as 16 mb Oct 19 19:12:52 o_o Oct 19 19:13:18 funky Oct 19 19:13:38 now is ok Oct 19 19:13:39 sounds like wrong partitioning Oct 19 19:13:40 i have formated Oct 19 19:13:44 what u have been doing iwith the pen Oct 19 19:13:48 yap Oct 19 19:13:53 what format i have to use? Oct 19 19:13:55 NFTS? Oct 19 19:14:06 go to the administrative settings or something like that Oct 19 19:14:27 some were in the device managment u have an partition editor Oct 19 19:14:45 i have solved it Oct 19 19:14:48 don't worry Oct 19 19:14:56 ok is NFTS with 15,3 gb Oct 19 19:15:03 ok Oct 19 19:15:05 i test now on fonera Oct 19 19:15:42 it don read it :/ Oct 19 19:16:01 the page say the usb pen is still disconected Oct 19 19:16:13 this pen worked with fonera 2 old firmware Oct 19 19:16:23 the new ones have fucked its :) Oct 19 19:16:43 the pen is a zen microwave 16gb Oct 19 19:17:43 what i can do? Oct 19 19:19:14 somesone? Oct 19 19:22:05 barbon: Perhaps you can try resetting your Fonera Oct 19 19:22:28 barbon: I've seen the USB device detection fail, which was solved by a reboot Oct 19 19:22:32 that was on a 2.0g, though Oct 19 19:22:41 ok i try Oct 19 19:23:55 i update also Oct 19 19:24:58 i have installed the upgrader Oct 19 19:24:59 no? Oct 19 19:25:01 now? Oct 19 19:25:21 ok found it Oct 19 19:28:00 nope dont work Oct 19 19:29:08 ç_ç Oct 19 19:29:35 i try fat32 Oct 19 19:29:46 barbon: Is there a partition table on the device? Oct 19 19:29:51 Or is the entire device formatted? Oct 19 19:30:01 entire formated Oct 19 19:30:04 i check now Oct 19 19:30:05 barbon: I've seen my Fonera reject a stick without partitions Oct 19 19:30:28 barbon: You can probably check that in the Disk Manager (or what's it called) in Windows Oct 19 19:31:10 it have only the main partittion Oct 19 19:31:25 partition Oct 19 19:31:46 barbon: Uh, how is that exactly? Oct 19 19:32:07 barbon: Is there a partition table with a single partition on there? Or is the entire disk formatted? Oct 19 19:32:32 On linux this is the difference between formatting /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda, I'm not sure how to tell on Windows Oct 19 19:33:06 sda is ur hole disk Oct 19 19:33:13 sda1 is a partition in the sda disk Oct 19 19:33:19 is the first one Oct 19 19:33:34 wait i send you a screen Oct 19 19:34:31 u can only format partitions Oct 19 19:34:45 Lee-mon: On linux, you can format entire devices as well Oct 19 19:35:04 Lee-mon: In fact, for USB devices this usually works (my LaCie iamakey even came like this) Oct 19 19:36:20 lool Oct 19 19:36:35 to format an entire disk named sda Oct 19 19:36:45 u got to have a partition Oct 19 19:36:51 and that partiton will be sda1 Oct 19 19:36:52 so Oct 19 19:37:02 it remains like i said Oct 19 19:37:07 ok Oct 19 19:37:08 sda cannot be formated Oct 19 19:37:08 http://lh4.ggpht.com/_3LPtjBvyrZA/Sty_zHZjWtI/AAAAAAAAAGY/cqE3rI0oMVI/s800/Immagine.jpg Oct 19 19:39:20 Lee-mon: On linx, you can Oct 19 19:39:28 Lee-mon: mkfst.ext2 /dev/sda Oct 19 19:39:33 Blathijs can you take an look on screen? Oct 19 19:39:41 Lee-mon: Works like a charm (but not on a Fonera :-) Oct 19 19:40:15 barbon: AFAICS it looks okay Oct 19 19:40:17 u are not formatting the sda... u are erasing all sda partitions and creating a sda1 formatted as ext2 Oct 19 19:40:20 barbon: not 100% sure Oct 19 19:40:28 =) Oct 19 19:40:30 Lee-mon: No, you're not Oct 19 19:40:41 no? Oct 19 19:40:43 Lee-mon: I'm pretty sure that mkfs really doesn't do anything with partition tables Oct 19 19:40:50 Lee-mon: You should try it Oct 19 19:41:03 hmm Oct 19 19:41:18 Lee-mon: Aftwards, the partition table contains random junk (fdisk -l shows a bunch of partitions with inconsistent sizes and all kinds of types) Oct 19 19:42:08 oh, now i get it Oct 19 19:42:11 sorry Oct 19 19:42:18 blathijs when i buyed this pen it has E3 software Oct 19 19:42:25 and i have unistalled it Oct 19 19:42:39 barbon: I don't that should affect it Oct 19 19:42:53 i try with other format? Oct 19 19:42:58 barbon: Did you try with an USB hub? On 2.0g this is required I think Oct 19 19:43:07 Not sure about 2.0n Oct 19 19:43:13 barbon: Yeah, you could try that Oct 19 19:43:45 Enabling developer mode and running "dmesg" through SSH might give a clue as well Oct 19 19:43:53 Lee-mon: No problem :-) Oct 19 19:43:54 But I'm off now Oct 19 19:43:57 so blathijs, u say that sdX is managed by the partition table? Oct 19 19:44:12 Lee-mon: Uh, I don't understand what you're saying Oct 19 19:44:52 Lee-mon: But tha sdX device is the entire disk. The first 512 bytes are the MBR, after that is the partition table IIRC Oct 19 19:45:04 and after that are the actual partitions Oct 19 19:45:15 (which is why the first partition never starts at the start of the disk) Oct 19 19:45:29 sorry, i mean sdaX Oct 19 19:45:37 but if you just ignore that, you'll get the start of the filesystem in the place where the partition table should be Oct 19 19:46:07 Ah, well which sdaX devices will be created depends on the partition table, yes Oct 19 19:46:58 On connect, the Linux kernel reads the partition table and udev creates the corresponding device files Oct 19 19:47:34 but that means u cannot mkfs a sdaX ? Oct 19 19:47:55 Why not? Oct 19 19:48:08 ive used mkfs before, to format partitions, but i dont remeber if they were mounted already Oct 19 19:48:09 sdaX is just a device that points to a subset of sda Oct 19 19:48:25 Creating the device files is not mounting Oct 19 19:48:56 just ignore my confusing Oct 19 19:49:05 jus what i was thinking about Oct 19 19:49:06 xD Oct 19 19:49:17 Confusion cleared now ? :-) Oct 19 19:49:28 but look Oct 19 19:49:39 wen u mkfs por example Oct 19 19:49:40 sda Oct 19 19:50:03 the result would not be, sda1 partition? Oct 19 19:51:50 Nope, since mkfs doesn't know about partitions Oct 19 19:52:13 Afterwards, you would have to actuall mount /dev/sda as well, not /dev/sda1 Oct 19 19:52:29 Which might not be handled gracefully by all automounters I guess Oct 19 19:52:36 i think there is a miss understand perhaps Oct 19 19:52:44 I think early Windows XP versions didn't like this either Oct 19 19:52:46 if i make mkfs in sda Oct 19 19:52:49 and then Oct 19 19:52:52