**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 10 02:59:56 2009 Dec 10 07:38:58 goedemorgen! Dec 10 07:40:37 @ Danicasti: I won :-) Dec 10 07:54:55 Buongiorno! Dec 10 09:19:03 moaning Dec 10 09:19:11 giuseppeg88 ? Dec 10 09:23:11 oi Dec 10 10:52:19 blogic: "You obviously misconfigured your fonero" <-- Didn't fonero refer to the user? :-p Dec 10 10:52:54 yes Dec 10 10:53:00 it is supposed to be sarcastic Dec 10 10:53:10 steven leeman is a funny guy Dec 10 10:53:50 he has been very active in the community Dec 10 10:53:55 Ah, it was even intentional. I thought it a funny typo :-p Dec 10 10:53:58 however his technical skills lack the skill Dec 10 10:54:11 and he likes to make sure people see him Dec 10 10:54:16 Hehe, indeed Dec 10 10:54:27 so, i never meet him, but i imagine him to not be the sports type Dec 10 10:54:53 OTOH, the Fonera should be usable by non-techical people as well, of course (even those who _think_ they are technical...) Dec 10 10:55:02 lol Dec 10 10:55:03 yes Dec 10 10:55:14 problem with leeman is, that he is between a troll and a noob imho Dec 10 10:55:17 (i.e., there might be a usability problem hidden in his report) Dec 10 10:55:25 and to be honest some day he is really helpfull next day he is scary Dec 10 10:55:29 no Dec 10 10:55:38 to be honest leemans reports are quick shots Dec 10 10:55:55 and i got 8 reports of it working ootb and 1 from leeman saying it dont work Dec 10 10:56:12 Yeah, I see what you mean. It was only a small "might" :-) Dec 10 10:56:18 so, to be honest i filter leeman as we would need a kindergarden teacher employed fulltime to deal with him which we wnt do Dec 10 10:56:25 sure Dec 10 10:56:37 there might be a prolem, but based on a report from leeman i wont go hunting Dec 10 10:56:57 i just try to : Dec 10 10:57:04 \|||/ Dec 10 10:57:06 (o o) Dec 10 10:57:06 ,~~~ooO~~(_)~~~~~~~~~, Dec 10 10:57:06 | Please | Dec 10 10:57:06 | don't feed the | Dec 10 10:57:08 | TROLL! | Dec 10 10:57:11 '~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ooO~~~' Dec 10 10:57:13 |__|__| Dec 10 10:57:16 || || Dec 10 10:57:18 ooO Ooo Dec 10 10:57:25 there is another guy called texas or summin Dec 10 10:57:31 he trolls in martins blog Dec 10 10:57:33 it is funny Dec 10 10:57:39 Heh Dec 10 10:57:47 leeman and texas sit there trying to prove that we suck :) Dec 10 10:58:00 the funny thing is, if we suck so much, then why are they here ? Dec 10 10:58:09 must be some hidden need to get attention or summin Dec 10 10:58:10 dunno Dec 10 10:58:18 martin made fons position very clear Dec 10 10:59:46 http://english.martinvarsavsky.net/micro/adios-to-trolls.html Dec 10 11:00:03 see, leeman has done great work, he just has no clue how to work with other imho Dec 10 11:00:16 or let me rephrase that Dec 10 11:00:28 he has no clue how to make others wanna work with you Dec 10 11:00:29 :) Dec 10 11:00:45 and btw Dec 10 11:00:51 http://english.martinvarsavsky.net/general/fon-launches-the-peekfon-with-free-paneuropean-gprs-roaming.html <---- new product Dec 10 11:01:42 http://www.failfunnies.com/32/images/balloon-troll-fail.jpg Dec 10 11:09:06 blogic: Fancy. Does it have an open firmware as well, and/or is it really limited to email? Dec 10 11:09:34 I don't do a lot of traveling around Europe, but flat-fee roaming in Europe for EUR 12 is a pretty nice deal I guess. Dec 10 11:11:17 yes Dec 10 11:11:25 i saw a peek when i was in madrid 3 weeks ago Dec 10 11:11:32 no idea of the firmware is open Dec 10 11:11:44 i juszt mailed martin to get a technical contac with the manufacturer Dec 10 12:10:10 Ah cool, RC2 already with some fixes :-) Dec 10 12:13:44 si Dec 10 12:19:15 only nee to fix a bug in ushare Dec 10 12:19:27 and add some translations to it :) Dec 10 12:33:43 cool Dec 10 12:34:22 there is a function to "pull the files upload" without re-stick the usb pen? Dec 10 14:03:36 Does the rc1 / rc2 include an update for the music plugin? (fonostream?) Dec 10 14:09:40 -silence- Dec 10 14:09:49 - i kill you! - Dec 10 14:18:41 ? Dec 10 14:24:48 I would like to get my Fonera+ working with a simyo connection in Spain for my friends Dec 10 14:25:01 is there a guide to do so? Dec 10 14:25:11 it can be done right? Dec 10 16:06:27 blogic are you there? Dec 10 16:09:41 Well, I guess it's time to test Dec 10 16:10:11 yes! Dec 10 16:12:10 there we go! Dec 10 16:14:45 hi Dec 10 16:15:59 I read that you sought me. Dec 10 16:16:07 have you read my messages? Dec 10 16:18:25 yes Dec 10 16:18:39 i had a question regarding 1 report you made Dec 10 16:18:44 cant remember Dec 10 16:18:57 2.3.5.0-RC2 is alive though and fixes the things you reported Dec 10 16:20:24 ok. I will try it tonight Dec 10 16:20:57 cool Dec 10 16:21:00 i will blog Dec 10 16:22:05 However now I'm in a hurry. I return to 19.00. Dec 10 16:22:18 bye bye (and thanks!) Dec 10 16:31:15 after power rangers emo-rangers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjmOK4TTvwg Dec 10 16:35:49 Well. 2.3.5.0 flashed Dec 10 16:36:06 Where's the transmission interface? Dec 10 16:38:28 already out? Dec 10 16:38:31 Decodecoding: trying to fix it just now :) Dec 10 16:38:40 Okay Dec 10 16:39:36 2.3.5 is without trasmission Dec 10 16:39:38 ? Dec 10 16:43:20 No, transmission is there but only with the luci interface Dec 10 16:43:42 oh Dec 10 16:44:07 I guess it'll be soon fixed Dec 10 16:45:31 he has already updated Dec 10 16:45:42 fonera2.0g-FON2202/ 21-abr-2009 17:56 Dec 10 16:45:50 wow, that's fast Dec 10 16:45:59 heha Dec 10 16:46:31 I'm with 2.0n Dec 10 17:05:12 Blogic, may I pont another bug? It's about ftp Dec 10 17:06:26 sure Dec 10 17:06:32 btw torrent is fixed Dec 10 17:06:40 anonymous ftp grants access to / intead of /mounts/USBDISK Dec 10 17:06:42 you need to delete the app form ur hdd and reinstall Dec 10 17:06:49 cooll Dec 10 17:06:54 ?! Dec 10 17:06:56 ? Dec 10 17:07:01 i fixed that earlier today Dec 10 17:07:04 ok, i will check Dec 10 17:07:08 it is a RC after all Dec 10 17:07:14 I know Dec 10 17:07:26 Anyway, I won't use anonyous... tho Dec 10 17:07:34 Those chineese robots... Dec 10 17:07:57 hehe Dec 10 17:08:53 lol Dec 10 17:17:09 Torrent reinstalled. OK and working Dec 10 17:17:18 cool ! Dec 10 17:20:02 good Dec 10 17:20:06 bridge working correct? Dec 10 17:20:16 Didn't test that Dec 10 17:20:50 test what ? Dec 10 17:21:08 bridge mode Dec 10 17:21:13 test :) Dec 10 17:21:46 I can't since my fonera 2.0n is my main router Dec 10 17:21:53 lol Dec 10 17:21:56 bridge the inet :) Dec 10 17:22:14 I hope Santa brings me another one... Dec 10 17:23:03 ÇI wish I could get one of the japaneese white ones... Dec 10 17:23:20 lol Dec 10 17:25:21 hmm why white in japan? isn't it the color of sadness there? Dec 10 17:26:05 So Apple devices are meant for funerals there... :-d Dec 10 17:26:44 Isn't white Fon's corporate colour? Dec 10 17:26:56 white/orange Dec 10 17:27:08 maybe I confused it with the chinese ppl Dec 10 17:31:43 Did anybody test using Google DNS servers on fonera DNS settings? Any remarkable improvement? I just set up 8.8.8.8 to see if it is better Dec 10 17:46:21 wtf is this Dec 10 17:46:21 http://blog.fonosfera.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/pantallazo.png Dec 10 17:47:03 a reindeer Dec 10 17:47:25 why is posted on fon downloader post? Dec 10 17:47:36 lol Dec 10 17:47:36 xMff: indeed Dec 10 17:47:50 http://blog.fonosfera.org/fonera-downloader-014/ Dec 10 17:47:51 xMff: it is called rudolph Dec 10 17:47:58 on 3 we start singing ok ? Dec 10 17:48:00 1,2,3 ... Dec 10 17:48:14 blogic: I know, the one with the glowing nose Dec 10 17:48:17 jingle bells jingle bells Dec 10 17:48:18 asd Dec 10 17:50:06 yeah Dec 10 17:53:45 im keeping my balls into a bag, so i can scrath them, ye! jingle balls jingle balls oh! Dec 10 17:54:03 hmm Dec 10 17:54:34 mmm Dec 10 17:54:49 i have asked to an guy an word in francaise Dec 10 17:54:53 he say "anal" Dec 10 17:54:54 lol Dec 10 18:05:26 mm there is no web-upgrade? Dec 10 18:06:23 mm there is no web-upgrade for 2.3.5 Dec 10 18:09:14 yes, there is Dec 10 18:09:27 where is that? Dec 10 18:09:58 http://download.fonosfera.org/LATEST/fonera2.0n-FON2305/20091210_FON2303_2.3.5.0_DEV-RC2.tgz Dec 10 18:10:26 ah is that? Dec 10 18:10:28 kk Dec 10 19:28:03 ciao a tutti! Dec 10 19:30:38 c'è qualcuno? Dec 10 19:51:38 I'm testing the RC2 Dec 10 19:54:21 the voip client (I try MO-Call Voip) now works and the fonera doesn't reboot! and transmission is ok. Dec 10 19:54:23 hi :) Dec 10 19:54:43 iurgi: does this new firmware fix the voip bug? Dec 10 19:54:50 oh... just read from giuseppeg88 ^_^ Dec 10 19:55:37 really can't wait to test :) Dec 10 19:56:20 I only test a voip client... why don't you try an other client? Dec 10 19:57:57 because I'm not at home :P my Fonera is :\ Dec 10 20:00:02 lol Dec 10 20:01:36 upgrading now Dec 10 20:01:38 brb Dec 10 20:01:40 :P Dec 10 20:06:23 re Dec 10 20:06:39 Andy80: i think so yes Dec 10 20:06:44 Andy80: it orks for me Dec 10 20:06:52 Andy80: we need to see if that was the only bug Dec 10 20:07:44 blogic: I'll ask my friend (he has ordered a F2.0n too) if it works now for him Dec 10 20:22:50 bridge mode work good :D Dec 10 20:26:44 guys what is UPnP Media Server? Dec 10 20:27:17 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPnP_AV_MediaServers Dec 10 20:28:18 basically a media server that integrates with certain client devices like game conaoles, handys etc. Dec 10 20:28:27 *consoles Dec 10 20:28:49 like xbox? Dec 10 20:28:52 yes Dec 10 20:29:00 xbox media center etc. Dec 10 20:29:03 unusefull for me :( Dec 10 20:29:12 i dont have xbox360 and similiar devices Dec 10 20:30:00 it is useful for software too, like vlc or jukebox programs Dec 10 20:30:34 mmm Dec 10 20:30:44 with bridge mode there is no ip assignement Dec 10 20:30:46 ? Dec 10 20:30:51 yeah Dec 10 20:31:02 in bridge mode your main router is supposed to do ip assignment Dec 10 20:31:11 not the fonera Dec 10 20:31:33 because it is a bridge that just relays traffic Dec 10 20:31:50 my stupid main router cant do it Dec 10 20:31:59 it have only 2 function Dec 10 20:32:01 NAT option Dec 10 20:32:06 and LAN option Dec 10 20:32:11 and change passworld Dec 10 20:32:13 ._. Dec 10 20:33:24 it have also dhcp server but i cant configurate it Dec 10 20:41:07 maybe can be enabled in future or there is no way? Dec 10 20:44:05 depends Dec 10 20:44:20 with ssh access it is surely possible to enable dnsmasq again Dec 10 20:55:35 it can be usefull for somesone Dec 10 20:55:50 for who have retarded router Dec 10 20:55:52 :D Dec 10 21:06:11 blogic: just my 2 cents: the media server idea is good, but... why don't you integrate a simple UPnP server, like the one supported by Rhythmbox in Linux? So I could keep all my mp3 at home and stream them when I'm away Dec 10 21:06:46 isn't ushare already one of those simple upnp servers? Dec 10 21:11:35 xMff: you mean we already have this? Dec 10 21:11:55 yes Dec 10 21:12:30 at least this was my understanding Dec 10 21:13:46 yes Dec 10 21:13:48 well Dec 10 21:13:57 we use upnp media av Dec 10 21:14:01 and the app is ushare Dec 10 21:14:11 ushare is dev only atm, until it is more tested Dec 10 21:14:19 it sort of works now in 80% of cases Dec 10 21:14:29 but the feature should be considered experimental Dec 10 21:16:09 i will buy a wd tv live tomorrow :) Dec 10 21:16:17 it does upnp Dec 10 21:18:06 however ushare still needs a lot of work imho Dec 10 21:42:22 Just updated my f20n but still I don't get my Nokia E65 into the net. Dec 10 21:42:36 But at last my Playstation does connect now. Dec 10 21:43:03 Imho the f20n just sucks. Dec 10 21:43:57 ok Dec 10 21:44:02 never tried a E56 Dec 10 21:45:09 grothesk: what else sucks ? Dec 10 21:47:28 'Firewall' sucks too. Dec 10 21:48:28 When scanning my ports everything is 'closed' and not 'stealth'. Dec 10 21:48:34 LOL Dec 10 21:49:16 It used to be 'stealth' with the previous router. Dec 10 21:51:40 you do know that stealth offers no security advantages? Dec 10 21:52:25 ?! Dec 10 21:52:30 ah yes Dec 10 21:52:33 grothesk: what else sucks ? Dec 10 21:52:44 from an attackers pov dropping traffic makes it just obvious that there is a firewall Dec 10 21:52:45 i want the "suck me" feature aswell :) Dec 10 21:53:02 xMff: but stealth dude, its a buzzword :) Dec 10 21:53:55 okay, sorry for my lol that is bad style, but I do not like how dropping is marketed as stealth feature Dec 10 21:54:07 it just compilcates network debugging for no added value Dec 10 21:54:53 OMG. That crappy garbage. Dec 10 21:55:18 When doing a 'online test' on my PS3, the wifi signal gets lost. Dec 10 21:57:43 I'm going to return that garbage. Dec 10 21:57:48 ok Dec 10 21:59:10 Why is there no possibility to enter TWO alternate DNS-Servers? Dec 10 22:08:26 how often has your dns failed ? Dec 10 22:08:34 and remeber it is not a linksys Dec 10 22:09:01 Atm the Fonera internal DNS fails quite often. Dec 10 22:09:13 At least when the PS3 tries to connect. Dec 10 22:09:19 hmmm Dec 10 22:09:20 weird Dec 10 22:09:25 ps3 is tested imho Dec 10 22:09:34 My mobile does not even get a connection. Dec 10 22:09:34 i will ask qa to male a test Dec 10 22:09:43 hmm Dec 10 22:09:45 strange Dec 10 22:09:54 Only device that works flawless is my laptop. Dec 10 22:10:11 ok Dec 10 22:10:18 well, you are free to send the unit back i guess Dec 10 22:10:38 It has a Intel PRO/Wireless 2915ABG Dec 10 22:11:19 Let qa have a test with Nokia mobiles (e.g. E65) and a PS3. Dec 10 22:11:29 ok Dec 10 22:11:37 ps3 over wireless or cable ? Dec 10 22:12:04 PS3 does connect, but when using the ps3 internal Connection Test it fails everytime. Dec 10 22:12:11 ps3 via wifi. Dec 10 22:12:30 so it works just the connex test fails ? Dec 10 22:12:57 Basically it does. But not in all applications and games. Dec 10 22:13:07 hmmm Dec 10 22:13:12 what games fail Dec 10 22:14:20 Vidzone fails. Dec 10 22:14:31 Not a game but a application. Dec 10 22:15:57 With my previous router I turned PS3 on and BAM... Internet connection. Dec 10 22:16:12 With Fonera I have to log in everytime by hand. Dec 10 22:16:15 did it actually make a bam sound ? Dec 10 22:16:20 if so that is a nice feature Dec 10 22:16:49 which firmware are you using btw ? Dec 10 22:17:03 No. But that fonera will do a BAM soon when it hits the concrete ground outside flat. Dec 10 22:17:04 2.3.5-RC2 has a new wifi driver that fixes apsd issues Dec 10 22:17:19 but if you break it you cant get a refund Dec 10 22:17:22 2.3.5-RC2 I'm using. Dec 10 22:17:26 so, where would the point be ? Dec 10 22:17:43 breaking stuff seems aggro Dec 10 22:18:01 personal satisfaction Dec 10 22:18:24 ok Dec 10 22:18:28 personal preference Dec 10 22:20:36 -_- Dec 10 22:20:55 After serveral retries Vidzone loads a update now. Dec 10 22:21:16 that is still strange though Dec 10 22:21:20 does ps3 do 11n ? Dec 10 22:21:26 f20n is wav to shaky atm. Dec 10 22:21:30 lln? Dec 10 22:21:36 11n Dec 10 22:21:49 That is what? Dec 10 22:25:05 Sorry. 11G 'only' for the PS3. Dec 10 22:25:39 I set fonera to 'G only'. Dec 10 22:30:05 Scanning with my mobile I can see the foneras SSID, but when connect fails, the SSID has disappeared. Dec 10 22:40:34 I test the fonera with my nokia n81 Dec 10 22:41:20 it works well Dec 10 22:44:46 blogic? Dec 10 22:45:01 I have problem with ushare Dec 10 22:51:16 I had installed ushare in the 2.3.0.0 and it worked. But now the ushare installed in the 2.3.5.0 doesn't find me in the media files. Dec 10 22:55:24 hello Dec 10 22:55:56 I've got a issue with the fonera 2.0n Dec 10 22:56:07 a huaweu e220 Dec 10 22:56:11 huawie Dec 10 22:56:15 huawei Dec 10 22:56:22 and a usb hub Dec 10 22:56:38 anyone can help me? Dec 10 22:58:28 iurgi, there is a error on image of Rudolph Dec 10 23:04:16 http://www.webalice.it/giuseppeg88/fon/rudolph.jpg Dec 10 23:25:07 fixes wpa validation 8-63 chars with special chars are no supported - woot Dec 10 23:34:08 dasjoe: special char means control chars like nullbyte, record separator, escape, newline Dec 10 23:34:22 dasjoe: space, dollar sign etc. is okay Dec 10 23:34:45 Yes, I had problems with my WPA2 key being longer than 31 chars Dec 10 23:35:09 and in older versions the ui rejected various keys but they work fine when put directly into the config files Dec 10 23:37:45 dasjoe: :) Dec 10 23:38:29 Perhaps there is a problem in the file /etc/init.d/ushare Dec 10 23:38:47 giuseppeg88: ushare support is experimental Dec 10 23:38:50 is this RC2 ? Dec 10 23:38:54 yes Dec 10 23:38:57 ok Dec 10 23:39:03 i will look into it tomorrow Dec 10 23:39:14 also --> http://www.webalice.it/giuseppeg88/fon/rudolph.jpg Dec 10 23:39:19 i fixed it in svn already Dec 10 23:39:26 it has a tab in the banner file Dec 10 23:40:36 Can I say to you what I did to start properly ushare? Dec 10 23:41:57 yes Dec 10 23:41:59 please do Dec 10 23:44:29 I configured the file /etc/ushare.conf and I start ushare with ushare & Dec 10 23:44:50 Now it finds all the media file Dec 10 23:46:20 so I think that there is some small error in init.d/ushare Dec 10 23:49:48 Hooray, I forgot my Fonera's password Dec 10 23:51:18 I tested also the WPS ... is too strong! Dec 10 23:51:23 dasjoe: ok Dec 10 23:51:37 dasjoe: use the userzone to reset it ? Dec 10 23:51:45 that is why we have it Dec 10 23:56:17 I never registered the 2.0n with fon.com, but I just found out I didn't bother changing the default password Dec 10 23:57:11 Anyway, night :) Dec 10 23:59:21 a domandanother question: cippo7585 (a user of the forum) has found the solution at my problems on ftp server. It is the fault of a patch: http://boards.fon.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=6670&p=44301#p44301 ( http://trac.fonosfera.org/fon-ng/browser/trunk/fon/pure-ftpd/patches/100-fakechroot.patch ) Dec 11 00:00:18 ops... domandanother --> another Dec 11 00:00:59 Do you know what problems this patch fixes? Dec 11 00:37:53 I go to sleep, goodnight :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 11 02:59:56 2009