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Feb 03 17:34:43 <giuseppeg88> ciao
Feb 03 17:38:19 <giuseppeg88> iurgi: are you here?
Feb 03 17:47:04 <Andy80> hi all
Feb 03 17:49:07 <Andy80> I've a question... please excuse me if this can looks an annoying question for you, but... it's since the period before christmass that you promised a "new/updated/fixed version of Fonera 2.0n firmware avilable soon". It's february now and still no updates. We all bought a commercial product, not a vapor-promise...
Feb 03 17:49:44 <Andy80> so, when the new firmware will be released?
Feb 03 17:49:59 <Danicasti> XD
Feb 03 17:50:02 <Danicasti> Hi all!!!
Feb 03 17:50:30 <Danicasti> In Italian.... Aspetta e spera.... XD
Feb 03 17:51:36 <Andy80> please note that I'm not bothering with the poor only man working to the firmware (Iurgi, right?), I'm bothering with FON that trough its marketing and news says that they're selling lot of foneras ecc..... so please hire new developers to work to the project!!!
Feb 03 17:51:49 <Andy80> Danicasti: aspetta e spera sto c**** :)
Feb 03 17:51:55 <Andy80> Danicasti: :D
Feb 03 17:52:21 <Danicasti> XD!
Feb 03 17:52:26 <Andy80> Danicasti: first of all I've stopped suggesting to my friends to buy the Fonera
Feb 03 17:52:53 <Danicasti> Very bad.....
Feb 03 17:53:08 <Danicasti> Bye guys!
Feb 03 18:01:42 <Andy80> bah....
Feb 03 18:02:26 <iurgi> Andy80: it's not an annoying question
Feb 03 18:02:40 <iurgi> I am conscious of the complains and most of them are righteous
Feb 03 18:03:02 <iurgi> if I could, we would release the perfect firmware today, or better 5 months ago
Feb 03 18:04:07 <iurgi> we just are having some trouble and obvioulsy it's not the only thing we do, we're a small company and a lot of work. if we sell foneras, not only firmware team needs to grow
Feb 03 18:04:10 <iurgi> it's difficult to explain
Feb 03 18:04:19 <iurgi> especially for me, I'm a firmware guy
Feb 03 18:04:33 <iurgi> all I can say is we will release an improved firmware the soonest we can
Feb 03 18:04:59 <iurgi> 2.3.5.0_RC1 had many bugs because we wanted to deliver asap, and we will try not to do it that bad again
Feb 03 18:10:40 <Andy80> iurgi: I understand your point, don't worry :) it's just a pity not being able to spread fonera as much as I would because of its instable nature :\ all friends I suggested it to are bothering with me now because they say I suggested them a bad product to buy and almost all of them have sold it on ebay just after 1-2 weeks...
Feb 03 18:20:57 <iurgi> yeah, I can imagine :(
Feb 03 18:20:59 <iurgi> sorry about that
Feb 03 18:21:19 <iurgi> I hope we can deliver a version with all the wifi/router stable asap
Feb 03 18:21:34 <iurgi> the rest of the things work acceptably well when the system is stable and are not 'critical' after all
Feb 03 18:24:29 <ilvalle> iurgi:have you got any information  about the new driver?
Feb 03 18:25:54 <iurgi> ilvalle: for the iphones?
Feb 03 18:26:02 <iurgi> ipod/iphones?
Feb 03 18:26:16 <iurgi> well, I'd say that this will work for sure :)
Feb 03 18:26:29 <ilvalle> wireless
Feb 03 18:26:35 <iurgi> yes
Feb 03 18:26:43 <iurgi> what problems do you have with it?
Feb 03 18:26:49 <iurgi> iphone/ipod not working?
Feb 03 18:26:54 <iurgi> any other broadcom based device?
Feb 03 18:26:59 <ilvalle> no
Feb 03 18:27:12 <iurgi> this should already be fixed on 2.3.5.0_RC1 if you want to give it a try, at your own risk
Feb 03 18:27:18 <iurgi> ilvalle: what is it then?
Feb 03 18:27:22 <Carsten__> hi
Feb 03 18:28:03 <ilvalle> iurgi: the wireless driver makes the fonera very unstable
Feb 03 18:28:35 <ilvalle> I switch off the wireless and now the fonera is stable
Feb 03 18:28:45 <ilvalle> 1 week of uptime
Feb 03 18:28:58 <iurgi> ilvalle: hmmmm
Feb 03 18:29:00 <iurgi> that's strange
Feb 03 18:29:02 <ilvalle> before it reboot every day
Feb 03 18:29:05 <iurgi> what do you use over wifi?
Feb 03 18:29:20 <ilvalle> I don't now, we are in 4 in house
Feb 03 18:29:53 <iurgi> what type of devices are you using?
Feb 03 18:30:05 <ilvalle> personally I use the cable
Feb 03 18:30:34 <ilvalle> my friends, I don't know
Feb 03 18:30:39 <Carsten__> iurgi: do you have any news on firmware 2.3.5, when I and all the others can expect a new release or activity on svn (there have been no changes sone weeks...)?
Feb 03 18:30:56 <Carsten__> sone=for some
Feb 03 18:31:43 <ilvalle> the firmware that I'm using is a custom firmware with the v6 support.
Feb 03 18:33:29 <ilvalle> you can try it, if you want
Feb 03 18:34:21 <ilvalle> http://www.cli.di.unipi.it/~valleri/fon/
Feb 03 18:35:11 <Carsten__> ilvalle: i just noticed your changelog - how did you replace openvpn with 2.1.0?
Feb 03 18:35:32 <iurgi> Carsten__: unfortunately I'm unable to give a date yet
Feb 03 18:35:45 <iurgi> I just said on the channel we are very busy and having some trouble
Feb 03 18:36:06 <iurgi> and of course we want to release asap, but aslo don't want to deliver something buggy like 2.3.5.0 that made most people unhappy
Feb 03 18:36:24 <iurgi> ilvalle: you are using IPv6?
Feb 03 18:36:32 <Carsten__> iurgi: but dev will continue? when you read the comments on fonosfera, most if the posters are really annoyed, and no word from fon...
Feb 03 18:36:54 <iurgi> I don't think the wifi unstability iss due to that... but might be related to a custom compilaiton? dunno
Feb 03 18:37:12 <iurgi> Carsten__: yeah, I've been to busy to give a poper answer to the blog
Feb 03 18:37:32 <iurgi> unfortunately, between working on other tasks or answering to the blog, I had no choice
Feb 03 18:37:42 <iurgi> I understand alll the annoyance it has created the silence
Feb 03 18:37:49 <Carsten__> iurgi: maybe you should before most of the foneros have thrown their fonera out of the windows...
Feb 03 18:37:55 <iurgi> but believe me, if I was too busy to answer, I really mean it
Feb 03 18:38:06 <iurgi> Carsten__: yeah, I'm thinking what's the best way to do it
Feb 03 18:38:18 <iurgi> whtever I say many people is gonna complain and attack me and fon
Feb 03 18:39:10 <OdyX> iurgi: stand strongly and give the most facts you can.
Feb 03 18:39:15 <OdyX> and this, asap.
Feb 03 18:40:33 <iurgi> OdyX: yes, probably the best
Feb 03 18:51:18 <cippo7585> @all: any news about the new firmware?
Feb 03 18:54:07 <blathijs>  Heh, you've just missed the discussion :-)
Feb 03 18:54:11 <blathijs> cippo7585: See http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/fonosfera.txt
Feb 03 18:54:36 <cippo7585> blathijs: thx
Feb 03 18:55:41 <ilvalle> yes
Feb 03 18:58:15 <ilvalle> iurgi: the wifi unstability was present with all the previus firmware also with the last rc2
Feb 03 20:05:26 <blathijs> Anyone else having problems with wiki.fon.com?
Feb 03 20:06:35 <blathijs> Sometimes when I go to a new page, I get a blank page. After a reload, everything is fine.
Feb 03 20:14:06 <blathijs> The response I get is just twenty dots (I checked with wireshark)
Feb 03 20:14:26 <blathijs> Uh, twenty NUL bytes, that is
Feb 03 20:18:48 <Carsten__> blathijs: i always get empty pages when i click on pictures (which should normally enlarge them), but the text pages seem to work fine here
Feb 03 20:22:00 <Carsten__> blathijs: i always get empty pages when i click on pictures (which should normally enlarge them), but the text pages seem to work fine here
Feb 03 20:41:11 <blathijs> Carsten__: Does reloading help for you?
Feb 03 20:42:02 <blathijs> I can't find anything funny in the request, and if I make firefox issue exactly the same request again, it also works...
Feb 03 21:59:13 <Barbon> la serata prima wotlk
Feb 03 21:59:14 <Barbon> lol
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