**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 15 02:59:57 2010 Feb 15 06:30:06 does somebody have an example of a .config file for the kernel that has almost nothing in it? Feb 15 06:30:14 im looking to make the smalleset image possible Feb 15 07:10:43 http://www.flickr.com/photos/openfly/4358828140/sizes/o/ Feb 15 07:10:44 heh Feb 15 09:53:50 hi Feb 15 10:35:09 scripts/mod/sumversion.c: In function 'get_src_version': Feb 15 10:35:10 scripts/mod/sumversion.c:384: error: 'PATH_MAX' undeclared (first use in this function) Feb 15 10:35:13 ? Feb 15 10:37:48 Vyrus001: what tree is that? Feb 15 11:01:59 uhm Feb 15 11:02:14 trunk/openwrt the stock one Feb 15 11:11:37 hm ok seems adding #include to the file fixes it Feb 15 11:12:08 Hi, seems that Martin / Fon is in a some sort of "listening mode" since the months of radio silence (Fon SIMPLE is coming up) Feb 15 11:12:25 If you want to let your voice heard, please vistit http://english.martinvarsavsky.net/general/fonera-2-0n-quality-survey.html Feb 15 11:12:35 and give your opinion Feb 15 11:12:41 good luck! Feb 15 11:23:30 voorstad: hmmm Feb 15 11:23:33 I think it's a wrong conclussion Feb 15 11:23:52 I've always been in listening mode Feb 15 11:24:02 just had to much work to reply Feb 15 11:24:36 feel free to continue contacting me over irc or fonosfera Feb 15 11:24:47 now that the simpl has been announced Feb 15 11:30:35 I might have some more time to reply Feb 15 12:01:42 @ iurgi: wrong conclusion? I am sorry, I don't understand. Feb 15 12:02:08 I just want to make the irc aware of the poll **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 15 12:02:31 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 15 12:02:51 2010 Feb 15 14:06:56 Hi Iurgi, it seems the FON simpl will sport 4.0.1.1 as firmware version? Could you tell us if it's also Ralink based (1T1R 150mbps) and if it's based on FON-NG (once it's released will it be pushed in FON-NG source tree as is done when Fonera 2.0n got released?) Feb 15 14:49:21 @SkyNetbbs: I have read somewhere it's a Ralink. And that they would use this knowledge for 2.0N Feb 15 14:50:45 got it: "The new product is based on the same Ralink chipset family, so some of the fixed bugs and improvements we have done for the new device will also be present on the next firmware release for the Fonera 2.0n." Feb 15 14:50:51 (from the blog) Feb 15 15:00:16 would be nice... the first speed & stability tests on the SIMPL doesn't seem very promising yet... Feb 15 15:08:22 ohoh Feb 15 15:08:34 where doe you see these tests? Feb 15 15:09:58 http://blog.goo.ne.jp/jhiloshi/e/fa1ecd4b63da95787d62f3b2af2b3e40 Feb 15 15:10:16 and http://blog.goo.ne.jp/jhiloshi/e/8747d5aac6908be983edd06740b7139a Feb 15 15:12:14 and several others.... Feb 15 15:21:57 SkyNETbbs: it is ralink based Feb 15 15:22:16 the source code will be in the fonosfera, yes Feb 15 15:23:28 400.000 hotspots in a country I never visit.... :-( Feb 15 15:23:50 But thinking of all the Japanese visiting my Hotspot :-) Feb 15 15:24:25 I hope my Fonero 2.0N hotspot will be working by then..... Feb 15 15:29:31 voorstad: me too :) Feb 15 15:29:47 voorstad: what is your problem with the fonera 2.0n, the fonspot of 2.3.5.0? Feb 15 15:30:24 young Rudolph of course.... Feb 15 15:30:58 voorstad: ok, that should be easily fixed in the next release Feb 15 15:32:47 And connection will be 802.11n as well? Feb 15 15:33:05 so > 54Mbps as with young Rudoplh? Feb 15 15:39:53 2.3.0.0 : voip fix, ntp fix, wifi driver fix ; 2.3.5 : fon_free_internet fix and Dyndns fix Feb 15 15:40:56 "usb direct sharing" would perhaps be a nice feature; most people I show the "printer sharing" immedeatly ask : we all have multifunctionals now...what with our scanner? Feb 15 15:43:37 at the moment I direct these people to http://www.routershop.nl/products/bekabelde-componenten/printservers/zyxel-mfp-multi-function-usb-print-server-bi-directional.htm Feb 15 15:44:52 SkyNETbbs: unfortunatelly, that's not the aim for now Feb 15 15:45:05 we don't want to take too many functionalities in the pipeline, as you can imaging Feb 15 15:45:09 we don't want to take too many functionalities in the pipeline, as you can imagine Feb 15 15:45:20 it's ok to help people and tell them to go there etc Feb 15 15:45:37 but we cna't add support to anything that is requested even if it sounds good :) Feb 15 15:49:22 no problem... last weekend I compared fon-ng with the status of openrouter (Netgear 3500l)... so yes they have gigabit ports; 64-128mb ram; can hold 300.000 simultaneous connections... but they don't yet support printer, music, 3g yet :-) Feb 15 15:50:15 3rd party compatibility sheet : http://www.myopenrouter.com/download/file/13889-76 Feb 15 15:52:34 SkyNETbbs: yeah, I can imagine Feb 15 15:52:43 it's a much powerful hw Feb 15 15:52:56 and well the ocmpany is much bigger too :D Feb 15 15:56:53 Don't look at size of company 1) the 3500l "purchase" page can not be found anywhere... you only find the non-linux (v1/v2) part in the websites they mention...and these don't even have usb Feb 15 15:57:28 and even if you can find one... they have 2 versions... one with serial pins and some without... and some early adopters have succeeded in a bad "dd-wrt" flash...and then noticed the serial cable could not be connected to fix it... Feb 15 15:57:30 "hahaha" :-) Feb 15 15:58:02 so fonosfera vs openrouter : 1-0 :-) Feb 15 15:58:22 SkyNETbbs: hehe, thanks Feb 15 15:58:26 however it's not easy Feb 15 15:58:31 also dd-wrt allready supports the netgear 3700 ... features "dual channel" as well so openrouter is allready behind... Feb 15 15:58:35 I guess we just overestimate our capacity Feb 15 15:59:20 But why can't FON work together with 3rd parties? eg Tomizone has linked up with Dlink; so it has a nice retail chain... FON's retail only seems to work in japan but nowhere else (Pc City in Spain perhaps?) Feb 15 16:04:23 Other usb routers seem to take "licences" to sell functionality... eg instead of ushare they take a licence on twonkymedia ...I don't know how expensive that might be for FON? or 3G licence from Paragon instead of ntfs-3g or ... Feb 15 16:04:48 paragon is ntfs sorry Feb 15 16:08:10 yes Feb 15 16:09:22 @ SkyNettbbs: Don't discuss to long with iurgi. We want new firmware don't we? Feb 15 16:10:14 "yes" on a why FON can't find 3rd party developers? http://www.fon.com/en/info/fonFriends#developers doesn't correspond with what we find on a fonera :( certainly no azureus client...) Feb 15 16:10:52 I'm curious if "fonera 2.0g" will be dropped on the next "svn co" ... fonera+ is allready removed (not enough ram to run luci) Feb 15 16:12:01 Martin has allready 'eol'-ed the device http://spanish.martinvarsavsky.net/general/la-calidad-de-la-fonera-2-0n-encuesta.html and will soon start sending new upgrade promotions to the 2.0n ... 2.0g is the only one where I successfully could use 3G on :( Feb 15 16:19:37 On twitter : "No luck, another disconnession. Bye Bye Netgear. Thinking about going the Fonera way..." www.twitter.com/signaleleven nice! Feb 15 16:23:12 SkyNETbbs: :) Feb 15 16:23:24 @Iurgi you could allways hire the developer behind gargoyle router...he's a freelancer I believe Feb 15 16:23:44 I am not sure what he does, but it's an option, yes Feb 15 16:23:58 as you stated you underestimated your dev-crew...perhaps you need another Blogic in your team :-) Feb 15 16:24:18 and he's very familiar with openwrt Feb 15 16:24:50 I don't think this guy is like blogic Feb 15 16:24:55 that's difficult to get Feb 15 16:25:02 but we are actually hiring more people in the team Feb 15 16:26:08 I don't think you will re-hire Brainslayer again (dd-wrt) ? :-) Feb 15 16:27:34 no, I don't think so Feb 15 16:30:16 But are you looking for "openwrt" developers or other kind? eg people like Florian Fainelli , Nicolas Thill, .... Feb 15 16:31:05 we're getting other roles for now Feb 15 16:31:41 can you give an insight on "roles"? Feb 15 16:32:16 hmm Feb 15 16:32:18 not sure Feb 15 16:32:20 I don't think so Feb 15 16:32:21 more project leaders, qa-team, .... instead of developers/programmers ? Feb 15 16:33:04 I don't know how things work so I better not disclose Feb 15 16:33:07 but it's different roles, yes Feb 15 16:36:41 I just noticed a new blog posting on fonosfera...so next firmware release would be mid-march .... will you keep your svn private till then as well? so we can't do some "qa" on our own compiled versions? :-) Feb 15 16:37:11 SkyNETbbs: you only saw it now? Feb 15 16:37:14 susprising Feb 15 16:37:42 I wasn't at home last weekend :-) Feb 15 16:38:02 some have allready started working with the public svn : http://boards.fon.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=7033 Feb 15 16:39:13 SkyNETbbs: we're happy that anyone with programming skills wants to work on the tree Feb 15 16:40:30 I do actually believe they should have their own branch if they have enough knowledge Feb 15 16:42:50 You could allways contact theM....that was "avenger"... you also noticed Ilvalle on the mailinglist that worked on upgrading the transmission client and worked out ipv6 : http://boards.fon.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=6996 Feb 15 16:45:02 Personally I don't like branches... eg FON-NG is a snapshot of an openwrt "beta" release of 2 years ago; Rwhitby allready noticed that and switched to openwrt-version to get Bluetooth working Feb 15 16:46:16 No idea when Inouk will find time to explain the FMG part better... would be great to add functionality in FMG's we can turn off/on in the gui instead of autostarting...it also helps with removing/keeping it from cluttering the space on fon ram Feb 15 16:46:36 as some are doing by just installing opkg packages Feb 15 16:46:54 SkyNETbbs: the problem is we cannot always be with the latest openwrt trunk Feb 15 16:47:13 since we cannot assure how much it is tested or even which changes that have been made affect our systems Feb 15 16:49:53 openwrt from "trunk" is instable... but 8.09.2, 8.09.1, .... where stable versions? Feb 15 18:33:08 Hi everyone Feb 15 18:33:28 anyone can tell me what is the last firmware for Fonera 2.0???? Feb 15 18:34:02 alguien puede decirme cual es la última versión del firmware para la fonera 2.0? Feb 15 18:34:13 la 2.0g Feb 15 18:42:25 Guest73040: stable - 2.3.0 Feb 15 18:42:40 Guest73040: not working dev - 2.3.5 Feb 15 18:43:22 *Xion has challenged you to a battle! Sending 'bhelp' will display commands. Feb 15 18:43:24 *go Mosconi Feb 15 18:43:25 *Xion sent forth MOSCONI! 460HP, 137ATK, 136DEF, 128SPC, 192SPE, DRAGON type. Feb 15 19:21:40 hay alguien Feb 15 19:21:41 ? Feb 15 19:21:48 anyone can help me? Feb 15 22:22:44 trunk/openwrt/build_dir/mipsel/ra_eth/raeth.ko': No such file or directory Feb 15 22:22:48 At revision 1631. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 16 02:59:57 2010