**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 07 02:59:57 2010 Apr 07 08:38:20 Is today the great day? Apr 07 09:03:26 no release? :( Apr 07 09:53:42 Hi all. Is there a fixed date for Fon to start selling the new Fonera SIMPL? Apr 07 09:54:08 I'm looking forward to have one... Apr 07 10:09:59 lol Apr 07 11:46:53 hi Apr 07 11:47:47 hello Apr 07 12:13:07 Bonjour Apr 07 12:13:21 Y a-t-il un technicien par ici ? Apr 07 12:13:27 (should I speak english ?) Apr 07 12:13:37 mti131: English would work better, yes. Apr 07 12:14:01 mti131: Also, just ask your real question, don't ask if someone can answer it first. Apr 07 12:16:13 mti131: what's your question? Apr 07 12:17:09 Ok it's not easy for me, I'll try tu be understandable. The "help center" sent me here to find a technician... The problem is my fonera seems not forwarding correctly the traffic on some ports Apr 07 12:17:58 firmware version: 2.2.5.0 (fonera 2.0) Apr 07 12:18:43 mti131: 2.0g or 2.0n? Apr 07 12:18:45 my ip is 86.72.133.133, there are 3 computers behind it Apr 07 12:18:49 2.0g Apr 07 12:19:48 I know I have to try this from another computer so I used a proxy Apr 07 12:19:59 (surfease.com for instance) Apr 07 12:21:12 mti131: What port do you want to forward? Apr 07 12:21:23 when you try to access to 86.72.133.133:8080 you should see a web server on the first PC (static IP 192.168.10.10, port 80 as configured on the pannel) Apr 07 12:21:42 It seems you've properly forwarded 21, 80, 139, 445 and 8081 Apr 07 12:21:58 yes 8081 is for the second PC Apr 07 12:22:08 another web server Apr 07 12:22:31 Probably 5900 and 8082 as well, but it seems the machines forwarded to are not switched on or not configured properly Apr 07 12:23:15 mti131: I do get a authentication prompt on port 8080, btw Apr 07 12:23:22 I'm using PC1 right now, it has the IP .10 Apr 07 12:23:34 it seems to be running correctly Apr 07 12:23:44 mti131: So perhaps the forwarding is working ok, but your proxy testing doesn't? Apr 07 12:23:47 what is the message ? Apr 07 12:24:09 Something in french, "Bonjour, ..." Apr 07 12:24:14 (I can't copy it) Apr 07 12:24:28 ah ok so it's running correctly Apr 07 12:24:46 Ah, I can with firebug: "Bonjour, pour accéder à mon serveur, veuillez cliquer sur OK (il n'y a aucun login et aucun pass !!). Si votre navigateur exige un login et un mot de passe, mettez 'anonyme' comme login et 'anonyme' comme mot de passe (sans les apostrophes bien sûr!). Bonne visite." Apr 07 12:25:14 why some computers can't access my machine ? Apr 07 12:25:22 It should run everywhere Apr 07 12:25:40 People have complained that it didn't work for them? Apr 07 12:26:10 o.o Apr 07 12:26:57 the server is for my personnal use Apr 07 12:27:55 it's a bit strange that the proxy can't access to 8080 whereas it can on 8081 Apr 07 12:28:00 mti131: Did you just turn off the PC behind 8081? Apr 07 12:28:29 no Apr 07 12:28:48 and can you access to 8082 ? Apr 07 12:29:46 Hmm, then it seems something is intermittently wrong Apr 07 12:30:25 mti131: I think I have a possible explanation Apr 07 12:30:38 yes ? Apr 07 12:31:00 can you confirm that it doesn't work when you access to it using the public IP from BEHIND your DSL router? Apr 07 12:31:20 it is very common you can use the public IP address from the internet, but not from your own network Apr 07 12:31:26 iurgi: It doesn't work for me either, from the outside, so it is not a NAT issue Apr 07 12:31:37 blathijs: oh, I just read it worked for you Apr 07 12:31:43 iurgi: And it works sometimes, and it doesn't work the next moment Apr 07 12:31:44 did it stop working? Apr 07 12:31:49 I see Apr 07 12:31:49 if I use my public adress without a proxy I can't access to any server Apr 07 12:31:55 It does seem the forwarding always works at least partially: When it is not working, the ports are "filtered" according to nmap, not "closed" Apr 07 12:32:15 are you sure it's not an issue with the adsl router? Apr 07 12:32:38 have you tried the same thing having the PCs behind your ADSL router instead of behind the fonera? Apr 07 12:32:51 mti131: Is 8080 still not working for you (via the proxy)? Apr 07 12:33:39 From here, it seems 8080 and 8081 are working, but 8082 isn't Apr 07 12:33:42 no I didn't try without the fonera but when I had a simple connection with one PC I had no problem with my web server Apr 07 12:35:36 for the moment surfease.com seems to give no result, maybe should i try another one Apr 07 12:36:23 on 5hg.info 8080 runs correctly Apr 07 12:36:35 8081 too Apr 07 12:36:48 but not 8082 Apr 07 12:37:05 That's what I'm seeing as well Apr 07 12:37:16 Though it hasn't changed for a while now Apr 07 12:37:44 Is the PC behind 8082 turned on? Can you access it directly (e.g., using its internal IP)? Apr 07 12:38:55 indeed it's turned on but I can't access to it with his internal IP Apr 07 12:39:03 there is no firewall for the moment Apr 07 12:40:11 the server is running as I can see the homepage with "localhost" Apr 07 12:40:19 mti131: If you can't access it internally, I don't think it is a Fonera issue Apr 07 12:40:31 mti131: This particular one at least, perhaps there is another issue of course Apr 07 12:41:23 but the fonera manages the network Apr 07 12:41:53 and the server is working well, it's strange Apr 07 12:42:02 I should notice there is another problem on that PC Apr 07 12:42:05 mti131: But the internal IP doesn't go through the Fonera, right? Or are both clients connected to the Fonera with wireless? Apr 07 12:42:10 the ports for emule are not forwarded Apr 07 12:42:29 mti131: It sounds like an issue with the firewall on that PC. Are you sure there is none? Apr 07 12:42:34 yes there are 2 PC connecter with wireless Apr 07 12:43:19 mti131: Perhaps the webserver isn't listening on the wireless interface? What OS and webserver are running? Apr 07 12:43:43 mti131: Does it work if you use the webserver's internal IP from the webserver itself (instead of using "localhost") ? Apr 07 12:43:45 windows XP, Apache 2.2.4 Apr 07 12:44:17 yes it works when I type his own IP on it Apr 07 12:44:39 but not from any other PC in the same subnet? Apr 07 12:44:42 I can't find any firewall I had just the antiviruses Apr 07 12:44:49 yes iurgi Apr 07 12:46:02 the ports 7563 and 7573 aren't forwarded correctly on this PC (for a P2P program) Apr 07 12:46:55 do you want an hijackthis report to check the presence of a firewall ? Apr 07 12:49:45 here it is http://dldweb.info/hijackthis.log Apr 07 12:49:55 I don't really have much experience with debugging Windows, so I don't have many more suggestions :-) Apr 07 12:50:43 ah Apr 07 12:51:02 mti131: That log doesn't really show anything useful, I think Apr 07 12:52:20 mti131: You could perhaps use the "netstat" command on windows to find out if Apache is listening on "all addresses" (usually shown as 0.0.0.0) an not just on the loopback interface (127.0.0.1). Not sure how Windows netstat works though, so you'll have to find that out yourself (try running "netstat /?" in a command line prompt. Apr 07 12:55:00 http://dldweb.info/capture.PNG Apr 07 12:56:47 does it help ? Apr 07 12:58:14 hmmm Apr 07 12:58:21 not sure what netstat -a is in windows Apr 07 12:58:34 but I definitely not see any process listining on *:80 Apr 07 12:58:41 or 192.168.10.x:80 Apr 07 12:59:06 there is no more *:80 on the PC1 but it works Apr 07 12:59:10 so it looks like either that netstat might have wrong input params or there is no apache listening on any IP other than localhost Apr 07 12:59:26 then probably that netstat is incorrect Apr 07 12:59:36 you can use nmap Apr 07 12:59:40 I have to leave, will I find you later in the afternoon ? Apr 07 12:59:44 there's proabbly a windows version for it Apr 07 12:59:51 yes Apr 07 12:59:53 iurgi: Could you try "netstat -an" ? Apr 07 13:00:00 look for nmap and run it on a different pc Apr 07 13:00:07 blathijs: I can, but won't help ;) Apr 07 13:00:13 blub Apr 07 13:00:15 you mean mti131? Apr 07 13:00:16 :P Apr 07 13:00:18 mti131: Could you try "netstat -an" ? Apr 07 13:00:27 yes Apr 07 13:00:42 actually Apr 07 13:00:46 iurgi: I'm not sure how the "listen on interface" concept works in windows anyway... Apr 07 13:00:48 I see on the first line TCP 0.0.0.0:80 Apr 07 13:00:50 you cann see a connection on your computer Apr 07 13:00:53 from yuour own computer Apr 07 13:00:59 the first line Apr 07 13:01:11 blathijs: true... Apr 07 13:01:12 mti131: That looks good Apr 07 13:01:19 yes, looks good Apr 07 13:01:34 then it's probably not apache Apr 07 13:01:37 mti131: try with nmap Apr 07 13:01:42 from a different PC on the lan Apr 07 13:01:44 scan port 80 Apr 07 13:01:55 and see if it rejetcs, times out or says it's open Apr 07 13:02:08 if it's not open, then you have a problem with your windows firewall/antivirus Apr 07 13:02:09 mti131: But feel free to do that later if you have to leave :-) Apr 07 13:02:20 many antiviruses have firewall features hidden... Apr 07 13:02:20 ;) Apr 07 13:02:36 iurgi: Technically, it could be caused by the Fonera if it is through wireless, but that seems unlikely Apr 07 13:02:59 when I try to access to the internal IP of the PC concerned from this one, like 15 minutes ago I have a timout Apr 07 13:03:25 but there is also a problem with other ports that I haven't on the others PC Apr 07 13:03:58 I have to leave now Apr 07 13:04:14 will you be here during the rest of the afternoon ? Apr 07 13:04:58 I will probably be here, if not, just be patient :-) Apr 07 13:05:57 ok, we'll try to resolve it later Apr 07 13:06:06 thanks for what you did Apr 07 13:06:38 blathijs and iurgi Apr 07 13:06:44 bye Apr 07 13:06:49 :-) Apr 07 13:08:00 mti131: Btw, compliments on your English, I had no problems following any of it :-) Apr 07 13:17:20 nice to listen to you, guys ;) Apr 07 13:25:35 :-) Apr 07 13:38:24 iurgi any ETA about fw? Apr 07 14:07:01 barbon: soon ;) Apr 07 14:07:20 you learned soon Apr 07 14:07:22 :P Apr 07 14:31:00 Iurgi... Apr 07 14:33:53 *Darth Vader Breath* I am your father Apr 07 14:35:51 absolutely Apr 07 14:35:57 (I'm back) Apr 07 14:39:38 back Apr 07 14:39:51 barbon: we'r checking th eupgrade process Apr 07 14:40:02 if all is ok, we will make the new firmware ready Apr 07 14:40:10 but it is already up in the svn... Apr 07 14:44:16 good to ear Apr 07 14:46:00 I tried to do a scan with nmap and I got the message "All 100 scanned ports on WIFI-MATAI-PORTABLE.lan (192.168.10.12) are filtered" Apr 07 14:46:18 does it mean there is a kind of firewall on this machine ? Apr 07 14:49:10 mti131: It does seem likely Apr 07 14:49:46 mti131: You could try restarting apache and rebooting the machine, perhaps that makes a difference Apr 07 14:50:00 mti131: Also, perhaps disabling the antivirus stuff could help? Apr 07 14:50:09 mti131: Are you sure the Windows firewall is disabled? Apr 07 14:50:14 yes Apr 07 14:50:19 and the antivirus too Apr 07 14:51:27 on another server that works, 80, 139, 445, and 3389 are opened but here there's no one Apr 07 14:51:41 I'm trying to reboot Apr 07 14:52:52 is there a risk to let these ports opened ? Apr 07 14:53:03 exept 80 of course Apr 07 14:56:24 You should always open up only ports that you need Apr 07 14:56:53 At least to the outside world, internally it's less of an issue (but still good practice to close up anything you don't need) Apr 07 14:59:36 ok Apr 07 15:00:07 I don't know what the port 3389 is for but it's not the question now Apr 07 15:00:16 the reboot didn't change anything Apr 07 15:05:01 mti131: 3389 is remote desktop Apr 07 15:07:05 ok that's normal I have a VNC server on it Apr 07 15:08:05 if there's a hacker there I think my computers won't resist much time with all the informations I gave :P Apr 07 15:08:45 hum, so any idea ? Apr 07 15:09:05 haha Apr 07 15:09:07 hmmm Apr 07 15:09:09 mti131: Did you try disabling the antivirus? Did you recheck the Windows firewall? Apr 07 15:09:22 mti131: I think there has to be a process doing firewall functions Apr 07 15:09:26 the firewall service is just nos launched... Apr 07 15:09:27 it is not easy to disable the firewall Apr 07 15:09:34 the antivirus is disabled, yes Apr 07 15:09:39 it is not easy to disable the antivirus Apr 07 15:09:42 how can I check ? Apr 07 15:09:48 some of them wouldn't even allow you Apr 07 15:09:56 ! Apr 07 15:10:51 I have kaspersky anti-virus, it says that it's disabled, even the "internet antivirus" Apr 07 15:11:54 mti131: Any chance you can connect the machine with a cable instead of using wireless? Just to rule out the Fonera completely? Apr 07 15:12:51 ok I'll try Apr 07 15:21:09 It's not working better Apr 07 15:21:25 my IP changed but there's no more opened ports Apr 07 15:21:49 mti131: "No more", meaning there are some open ports? Apr 07 15:21:57 and I can't access to the internal (new) IP since this PC Apr 07 15:22:18 no there's no port opened at all :) Apr 07 15:22:51 mti131: Can you ping the internal ip? Apr 07 15:23:26 Hmm, probably, otherwise nmap would have complained Apr 07 15:23:45 yes, it doesn't answer Apr 07 15:24:37 however when I'm on the PC3 (the one that we can reach since the web) I can't do a ping on the other PCs Apr 07 15:31:09 PC3 is also the only one that can't be reached by the windows file sharing network (probably owing to the password) Apr 07 15:34:42 are you busy or haven't you anymore idea ? Apr 07 15:40:29 mti131: I guess you should use "from" instead of "since", btw :-) Apr 07 15:41:13 mti131: "however when I'm on the PC3 (the one that we can reach since the web) <-- Don't you mean "can't reach" there? Apr 07 15:42:26 ah, yes Apr 07 15:42:37 yes I meant CAN'T Apr 07 15:43:21 In that case, I suspect the reason you can't reach it through file sharing is because it won't open the ports, not because of password issues Apr 07 15:44:20 It really seems some very restrictive firewall is active on PC3, though I don't have any more suggestions on finding it... Apr 07 15:44:42 I saw that on forums, I thought it was the reason because there's no other difference between this PC and the others Apr 07 15:45:52 so you think the issue doesn't come frome the fonera ? Apr 07 15:47:49 How can I check whether there is another firewall ? As you saw in the process list there's nothing special running on that PC... Apr 07 15:55:37 I just realized I made 2 mistakes in the sentence "however", because I CAN do a ping from PC3 to the others (but the contrary doesn't work) Apr 07 15:57:53 waht windows is it? Apr 07 15:57:54 XP? Apr 07 15:58:09 the default config for winXP was to deny pings to the box Apr 07 15:58:15 I have no clue about vista and seven Apr 07 15:58:20 but I guess they kept the same thing Apr 07 15:58:32 so, even without a firewall, that would probably not work Apr 07 15:59:50 XP home Apr 07 16:00:06 like the 2 other PCs Apr 07 16:09:44 iurgi: Are you sure? I don't remember XP screly (by denying pings by default) Apr 07 16:09:56 Hmm, where did those keystroks go? Apr 07 16:10:02 s/screly/screwing up so badly/ Apr 07 16:13:13 ok I lost my nickname Apr 07 16:13:38 lol Apr 07 16:15:53 ah Apr 07 16:16:10 (ouf) Apr 07 16:18:02 woof Apr 07 16:20:51 maybe should I connect the computer 3 direclty to the modem ? Apr 07 16:23:03 mti131: stupid question... Apr 07 16:23:15 are you sure about the private IP address of PC3? Apr 07 16:24:29 yes Apr 07 16:24:40 10.12 Apr 07 16:24:51 PC2 10.11, PC1 10.10 Apr 07 16:25:11 I can see it in the settings of the wireless connection Apr 07 16:25:15 the status, more precisely Apr 07 16:25:25 ok Apr 07 16:25:36 and not ocnnected through cable at the same time, right? Apr 07 16:25:45 no Apr 07 16:25:47 windows tends to give priority to the cable interface over the wifi one Apr 07 16:25:47 ok Apr 07 16:26:08 when I tried to connect the cable I stopped the wireless service Apr 07 16:34:52 I'm going to disconnect my fonera and try to connect the PC 3 directly on the modem and see what happens Apr 07 16:34:54 bye Apr 07 16:45:48 so when I put the modem only it works on PC3 Apr 07 16:47:11 with the fonera, fail again Apr 07 16:48:37 weird Apr 07 16:49:05 I can only think of the fonera having a bug after a 3nd device is configured for port forwarding Apr 07 16:49:11 but doesn't sound reasonable Apr 07 16:53:07 do these results eliminate the assumption of an issue with a firewall ? Apr 07 16:56:54 hmmm Apr 07 16:56:58 not 100%... Apr 07 16:57:00 but maybe Apr 07 16:57:07 I mean... try this Apr 07 16:57:17 connect PC1 and PC3 to the modemo/router Apr 07 16:57:26 and check if you can reach apache on PC3 from PC1 Apr 07 17:00:13 I don't understand Apr 07 17:00:17 the modem or the fonera Apr 07 17:00:24 modem Apr 07 17:00:30 the modem has just 1 ethernet port Apr 07 17:00:30 on the fonera you said it didn' twork Apr 07 17:00:36 ohhhhhh Apr 07 17:00:36 yes Apr 07 17:00:36 ok Apr 07 17:00:49 what connection type does the fonera use? Apr 07 17:00:52 pppoe? Apr 07 17:00:54 yes Apr 07 17:01:16 ok Apr 07 17:10:35 iurgi: I'm building SVN now, but it's a clean checkout so it will take a while Apr 07 17:13:37 blathijs: maybe the firmware is published before Apr 07 17:13:38 :o Apr 07 17:16:46 Heh :-) Apr 07 17:17:22 But then I'll at least have a working toolchain for 2.0n :-) Apr 07 17:22:26 I still have my problem, I don't know what to try Apr 07 17:22:31 :( Apr 07 17:22:40 Install linux ? :P Apr 07 17:23:33 yes!!!!! Apr 07 17:23:36 :) Apr 07 17:29:08 But I've been using windows for so long... I'm going to leave you, thanks for helping Apr 07 17:29:13 and the time you spent Apr 07 17:34:19 no prob! Apr 07 17:34:25 you're welcome to come and ask anytime Apr 07 17:36:04 ok, thanks again Apr 07 17:36:07 goodbye Apr 07 17:37:56 * barbon Fon attack now! Apr 07 17:47:25 what? Apr 07 17:53:06 http://www.tiggysribticklers.com/images/BunnySex2.jpg Apr 07 18:04:01 barbon: there? Apr 07 18:04:36 well any fonera 2.0n user out there? Apr 07 18:10:09 soon iurgi Apr 07 18:10:11 soon Apr 07 18:30:36 It's there Apr 07 18:30:42 :-) Apr 07 18:45:53 What's where? Apr 07 18:46:06 dunno Apr 07 19:16:28 Cool, SVN trunk is running :-) Apr 07 19:17:38 iurgi: Ah, you've even compiled a few plugins for the new version already, I see :-) Apr 07 19:21:20 What kind of internet radio urls does the music plugin play? Apr 07 19:22:39 one 2.0n user here! :) Apr 07 19:23:19 Here as well, since just now (my 2.0n was in a closet, but it's connected again :-) Apr 07 19:26:20 Ah, cool, music plugin is working Apr 07 19:26:36 With an http stream I picked up somewhere Apr 07 19:27:47 Hmm, wth, it seems I haven't even registered on boards.fon.com yet :-) Apr 07 19:41:30 iurgi: I'm seeing "close_a = false" before the icons of files when browsing the USB disc through the Music plugin. I guess that's not intended? :-) Apr 07 20:38:52 awesome, I even got the volume contol working on my cheap terratec USB audio thingy Apr 07 20:39:14 (y) Apr 07 20:39:34 Does require some manual fiddling in /proc :-) Apr 07 20:39:40 Or a newer kernel, I think Apr 07 20:39:47 oh well, time for bed now Apr 07 20:39:48 gn! Apr 07 20:39:56 bye **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Apr 08 02:59:56 2010