**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 08 02:59:56 2010
Apr 08 07:14:23 <blathijs> Hmm, too bad, my webcam isn't supported
Apr 08 08:04:21 <blathijs> iurgi: I found a bug in the music plugin, it fails to use the VOLUME and ALTPCM volume controls
Apr 08 08:04:31 <blathijs> iurgi: Patch is in #622
Apr 08 08:07:13 <blathijs> Hey, cool, the music plugin actually adds play buttons to the normal file browser as well :-)
Apr 08 08:18:38 <blathijs> iurgi: And the issue with the "close_a = false
Apr 08 08:18:54 <blathijs> iurgi: I talked about yesterday, there's a patch for that in #623
Apr 08 08:22:51 <blathijs> Is it me, or is the new (unreleased) firmware smaller than before? It has over 2MB of free space, while I remember only 1MB
Apr 08 08:23:18 <blathijs> Wait, that's probably because the 2.0n doesn't have the failsafe firmware
Apr 08 10:42:29 <SkyNETbbs> @blathijs that's because openvpn is not default selected in trunk... previous "public" development version contained openvpn/ushare ...
Apr 08 10:42:57 <SkyNETbbs> @blathijs : openvpn can not be installed as a plugin as it's >700kbyte...and the plugin system only allows <500kbyte ... you have 2,4mbyte space for plugins though
Apr 08 10:44:05 <SkyNETbbs> technically the plugins should be changed to "ipkg" like stuff... eg only be the "luci-" part and check their dependencys, calculate if there is place for them (or allready installed) and then grab them from eg the openwrt or fon servers
Apr 08 10:44:47 <SkyNETbbs> not put them inside .tar.gz (again?) or limit us to eg publish 2 plugins... one with the "base" and one with our real plugin like Neoserver had to do to get openssl installed
Apr 08 10:45:51 <blathijs> SkyNETbbs: Huh? THe music plugin is 700K or something, so that's >500K?
Apr 08 10:50:51 <SkyNETbbs> no OPENVPN plugin
Apr 08 10:51:12 <SkyNETbbs> if you check "plugins" you will see only "music, webcam, printer"-plugin...
Apr 08 10:51:25 <SkyNETbbs> no "ifunes" plugin yet (ldaap)...
Apr 08 10:51:53 <SkyNETbbs> openvpn has been moved to "development" firmware... but when you compile your own firmware you have to "*" the openvpn & lucivpn parts in make menuconfig...
Apr 08 10:52:16 <SkyNETbbs> if you do so the firmware compiled will be again as big as the last "public" development firmware found on fonosfera.org (september 2009)
Apr 08 10:53:54 <SkyNETbbs> I believe that "ushare" was not selected as well (upnp ?)  by default to allow xbox/playstation upnp from a "svn co trunk / ./install.sh /make menuconfig" when you make your own development plugin
Apr 08 10:55:01 <SkyNETbbs> so to answer your question about size : if you make your own firmware it will not contain the ushare/openvpn functionality... and they are too big to be added as a plugin (>500kbyte)... only the webcam/printer/music plugin are small enough
Apr 08 10:55:25 <blathijs> SkyNETbbs: I am mostly comparing with the older 2.0g firmwares though, which didn't have openvpn. I do think 2.0g has a bit less space available than 2.0n.
Apr 08 10:56:37 <SkyNETbbs> 2100/2200/2201 (+) has 16mbyte, 2.0g has 32mb (1.6mb for plugins) , 2.0n has 64mbyte (2,4mb for plugins)... ; i believe from memory
Apr 08 10:57:02 <blathijs> I think both 2.0g and 2.0n have 8MB
Apr 08 10:57:07 <blathijs> It's flash we're talking about, not RAM
Apr 08 10:59:21 <SkyNETbbs> G : 4.4mbyte, N : 5.1mbyte for enduser.image (v 2.3) in september... hmmm perhaps the ralink drivers (binary) are bigger than madwifi atheros?
Apr 08 10:59:32 <SkyNETbbs> or mips (little endian) is beter than mipsel (big endian) ?
Apr 08 11:00:11 <blathijs> SkyNETbbs: No, I think it's because the 2.0n doesn't have the failsafe firmware
Apr 08 11:00:29 <blathijs> Though I'm not sure where the other 2.9 MB are filled with :-)
Apr 08 11:02:50 <SkyNETbbs> http://trac.fonosfera.org/fon-ng/wiki/flashmap
Apr 08 11:03:21 <SkyNETbbs> 8 partitions on that 8mb on the G... .vs 6 partitions on that 8 mb of the N
Apr 08 11:07:51 <blathijs> Ah, nice
Apr 08 11:10:49 <blathijs> iurgi: The help text in the "internet" settings is out of date. It talks about the unavailable "wifi" mode, but doesn't discuss the "bridge" mode
Apr 08 11:11:23 <blathijs> Hmm, and it seems I can't use DHCP client combined with bridge mode?
Apr 08 11:11:33 <iurgi> blathijs: hi
Apr 08 11:11:35 <iurgi> hmmm
Apr 08 11:11:38 <iurgi> too late to change that
Apr 08 11:11:54 <blathijs> iurgi: What exactly? :-)
Apr 08 11:11:56 <iurgi> no, I think you can't use dhcp with the bridged mode
Apr 08 11:12:01 <iurgi> blathijs: the translations: too late
Apr 08 11:12:30 <blathijs> iurgi: Ah, right, translation needs time and a lot of people :-)
Apr 08 11:12:38 <iurgi> correct
Apr 08 11:12:41 <iurgi> and coordination
Apr 08 11:12:46 <blathijs> iurgi: Did you see my messages about #622 and #623?
Apr 08 11:12:50 <iurgi> we didn't notice that and now it would delay the release
Apr 08 11:12:55 <iurgi> blathijs: no, didn't see them
Apr 08 11:13:21 <blathijs> iurgi: Two patches for small bugs with the music plugin (one of which is really in the base firmware, but is exposed in the music plugin)
Apr 08 11:13:26 <iurgi> about bridged mode: if we alllowed DHCP, most users would never know what IP the fonera received, since they are not skilful enough and would lose connectivity to the device
Apr 08 11:13:50 <iurgi> blathijs: if they are in the plugins, we can fix them later
Apr 08 11:13:56 <iurgi> right?
Apr 08 11:14:11 <blathijs> iurgi: #623 is in the base firmware
Apr 08 11:14:54 <iurgi> hmm
Apr 08 11:14:55 <blathijs> But it's exposed through the music plugin. Just have a look at the report, you'll see what I mean. It's really a trivial fix.
Apr 08 11:14:56 <iurgi> let me check it
Apr 08 11:15:58 <blathijs> iurgi: So the DHCP / bridge thing is a policy decision, not a technical limitation :-) Hard to design a proper configuration interface that allows both options but makes the static ip case the default, I guess :-)
Apr 08 11:16:08 <barbon> 	Channel view for “#623” opened.
Apr 08 11:16:10 <barbon> 	-->|	YOU (barbon) have joined #623
Apr 08 11:16:12 <barbon> 	=-=	Mode #623 +ns by anthony.freenode.net
Apr 08 11:16:17 <barbon> lol?
Apr 08 11:16:20 <SkyNETbbs> shouldn't the avahi client (bonjour/co) be broadcasting the fonera ip/ports?
Apr 08 11:16:52 <blathijs> barbon: Heh :-)
Apr 08 11:17:07 <blathijs> SkyNETbbs: Is there avahi on the fonera?
Apr 08 11:17:34 <blathijs> Hey, there is! Cool :-)
Apr 08 11:18:00 <blathijs> Doesn't seem to work, though
Apr 08 11:18:00 <iurgi> blathijs: checking your patches
Apr 08 11:18:02 <iurgi> you wrote them?
Apr 08 11:18:05 <blathijs> Yes
Apr 08 11:18:24 <SkyNETbbs> sure do a logread :Fonera daemon.info avahi-daemon[1944]: Interface eth0.2.IPv4 no longer relevant for mDNS.
Apr 08 11:18:29 <iurgi> blathijs: yes about the bridge question: it is a policy
Apr 08 11:18:46 <blathijs> iurgi: And I've tested the patches as well :-)
Apr 08 11:18:59 <iurgi> cool
Apr 08 11:19:00 <iurgi> :)
Apr 08 11:19:06 <iurgi> we will include them then
Apr 08 11:19:37 <barbon> iurgi the fon simpl what connection will include?
Apr 08 11:19:37 <iurgi> what's up with avahi?
Apr 08 11:19:40 <iurgi> it used to work
Apr 08 11:19:41 <barbon> same of fon 2.0g?
Apr 08 11:19:51 <iurgi> barbon: what do you mean?
Apr 08 11:19:53 <blathijs> Seems it broadcasts the SMB and SSH services ok, according to avahi-discover
Apr 08 11:20:00 <blathijs> Not sure why I can't ping Fonera.local, though
Apr 08 11:20:06 <barbon> the fisical connection
Apr 08 11:20:13 <barbon> like lan port, usb port
Apr 08 11:20:16 <barbon> bla bla
Apr 08 11:20:23 <SkyNETbbs> @blathijs : do you have 192.168.10.1 as dns server configured?
Apr 08 11:20:28 <iurgi> barbon: it's like the fonera+ but 11n
Apr 08 11:20:36 <iurgi> and a completely new re-factored firmware
Apr 08 11:20:56 <iurgi> blathijs: fonera.local works for me
Apr 08 11:21:07 <iurgi> maybe it doesn't work in bridged mode?
Apr 08 11:21:11 <iurgi> are you using bridged mode?
Apr 08 11:21:15 <blathijs> iurgi: I haven't enabled bridge mode yet :-)
Apr 08 11:21:16 <SkyNETbbs> @iurgi : Doesn't avahi broadcast itself to xp/vista/macosx/ubuntu with it's IP (you say bridging/dhcp can create issues.... but they just have to look at network neighbourhood and find the fonera)
Apr 08 11:21:20 <barbon> the price how is?
Apr 08 11:21:20 <iurgi> blathijs: ok
Apr 08 11:21:38 <iurgi> SkyNETbbs: not all users are as smart as you ;)
Apr 08 11:21:42 <blathijs> iurgi: I'll investigate what is happening here.
Apr 08 11:22:05 <iurgi> ok
Apr 08 11:22:08 <iurgi> tnx
Apr 08 11:22:18 <blathijs> Btw, avahi is only useful if you have a mdns client (like Apple Bonjour on Windows), windows doesn't support it out of the box
Apr 08 11:22:29 <SkyNETbbs> @barbon : and you can solder a usb port on the SIMPL as usb is within the ralink soc :-)
Apr 08 11:22:57 <iurgi> SkyNETbbs: correct
Apr 08 11:23:06 <iurgi> but you need more than the connector
Apr 08 11:23:08 <barbon> mmm
Apr 08 11:23:14 <SkyNETbbs> @baron : but i hope at least the pcb lines are present...and not directly on the soc like the tx/rx on the fonera 2.0n :-)
Apr 08 11:25:21 <SkyNETbbs> @iurgi: so not as easy as those adsl comtrend modems a spanish isp sold few years back? http://img54.imageshack.us/i/usb2comtrendnd5.gif/
Apr 08 11:26:00 <iurgi> no clue what that is
Apr 08 11:26:13 <blathijs> iurgi: Hm, now it works. Not sure why it didn't before...
Apr 08 11:26:24 <iurgi> blathijs: :o
Apr 08 11:26:32 <iurgi> anyway, we're including your patche
Apr 08 11:26:33 <iurgi> s
Apr 08 11:26:36 <iurgi> they seem safe
Apr 08 11:26:39 <iurgi> and you tested them
Apr 08 11:26:47 <iurgi> after that, I think we're ready for a release?
Apr 08 11:26:49 <iurgi> XD
Apr 08 11:26:54 <blathijs> They're pretty trivial anyway :-)
Apr 08 11:27:20 <iurgi> yes
Apr 08 11:27:23 <iurgi> well
Apr 08 11:27:46 <iurgi> many things are trivial, but the sum of all make things work the way they should
Apr 08 11:27:59 <iurgi> this is probably the first or second community contributed patch...
Apr 08 11:28:06 <SkyNETbbs> @iurgi : can you move #572 (dyndns) to 2.3.7 milestone? as it's not fixed in 2.3.0, 2.3.5 and 2.3.6; it might get forgetten (and if I add it again...deleted as a dupe :-)
Apr 08 11:28:08 <blathijs> iurgi: Hehe :-)
Apr 08 11:28:08 <iurgi> I'm really happy to add it and appreciate the help a lot
Apr 08 11:29:01 <SkyNETbbs> @iurgi : the problem is that the ez-ipupdate process doesn't keep running so if every 36h your ip get changed (adsl) ... the dyndns link won't get updated within 48h ....
Apr 08 11:30:04 <iurgi> I don't understand a single word
Apr 08 11:30:11 <iurgi> of the report
Apr 08 11:31:12 <blathijs> iurgi: Cool, bridge mode seems to work for me as well :-)
Apr 08 11:31:47 <iurgi> blathijs: good
Apr 08 11:31:47 <iurgi> :)
Apr 08 11:32:16 <blathijs> So now I can even use my printer from behind the Fonera (I use mdns to connect to it :-)
Apr 08 11:32:25 <iurgi> good
Apr 08 11:33:33 <blathijs> Hmm, seems the webcam icon didn't disappear when I uninstalled the webcam application
Apr 08 11:33:41 <blathijs> So now I get an error when I click the icon...
Apr 08 11:33:45 <iurgi> yes, I think I had the same problem
Apr 08 11:33:54 <iurgi> it disappears after reboot I think
Apr 08 11:34:01 <iurgi> but this are only esthetic things
Apr 08 11:36:05 <blathijs> Hmm, now it seems the wireless connection is weird (I hadn't tested that part yet...)
Apr 08 11:36:34 <blathijs> I don't see the MyPlace signal, and I do see an "off" signal (which should be my FON_ signal, judging from the MAC)
Apr 08 11:38:04 <iurgi> bridged mode?
Apr 08 11:38:36 <iurgi> I've seen this issue a couple of times... but I can't remember wehn
Apr 08 11:38:48 <iurgi> maybe too short password on wpa or things like this?
Apr 08 11:39:13 <blathijs> Switching back to DHCP from bridge and rebooting seems to have helped
Apr 08 11:39:32 <iurgi> ok, so the problem happens in bridged mode?
Apr 08 11:39:33 <iurgi> hmmm
Apr 08 11:39:37 <blathijs> The MAC address of the MyPlace signal has also changed, I guess it's swapped with the WAN MAC address?
Apr 08 11:39:58 <blathijs> iurgi: Not sure, I'll switch back to bridge mode, see what happens
Apr 08 11:40:26 <iurgi> ok
Apr 08 11:40:27 <iurgi> thanks
Apr 08 11:40:41 <iurgi> yes, we changed the MAC address assignation
Apr 08 11:40:49 <iurgi> to merge it with that of the fonera SIMPL
Apr 08 11:45:59 <blathijs> Ah, right.
Apr 08 11:46:37 <blathijs> iurgi: It seems wireless breaks (MyPlace disappears, FON_ becomes "off") when switching to bridge mode, but comes back up after a reboot
Apr 08 11:46:54 <iurgi> even on bridged mode?
Apr 08 11:47:00 <iurgi> I mean, it's only on applying changes?
Apr 08 11:47:24 <blathijs> yes, it unbreaks after the next reboot
Apr 08 11:47:38 <blathijs> Though I'm not getting an IP from my ADSL modem through wireless now
Apr 08 11:47:50 <iurgi> ouch
Apr 08 11:47:53 <iurgi> wtf
Apr 08 11:48:04 <iurgi> the betatesters reported having tested the bridged mode, imo
Apr 08 11:48:23 <blathijs> s/imo/iirc/
Apr 08 11:48:24 <blathijs> :-)
Apr 08 11:48:30 <iurgi> yes!
Apr 08 11:48:30 <iurgi> hahaha
Apr 08 11:48:49 <blathijs> It might be my client setup, my wireless is always a bit weird. I'll look a bit closer
Apr 08 11:50:17 <iurgi> ok, thank
Apr 08 11:50:21 <iurgi> it works on cable?
Apr 08 11:50:29 <blathijs> Hmm, same behaviour when I run stuff manually
Apr 08 11:50:42 <blathijs> Let's try another laptop with Windows
Apr 08 11:50:47 <blathijs> iurgi: Yeah, cable works fine
Apr 08 11:50:59 <iurgi> blathijs: then I would guess it's the client
Apr 08 11:51:11 <iurgi> but maybe it's a problem with the bridge interfaces on the fonera
Apr 08 11:51:21 <iurgi> maybe the ra1 is not in the correct bridge interface
Apr 08 11:58:47 <blathijs> iurgi: It's not working from the other laptop either
Apr 08 11:59:22 <blathijs> iurgi: But I do see the DHCP discover packets on the wired LAN ports, so that suggests the wireless interface is in the same bridge group as the wired LAN ports
Apr 08 12:03:33 <blathijs> Hmm, and now it is working
Apr 08 12:04:38 <blathijs> iurgi: I think this was an issue with my ADSL modem. Stuff started working, either just before or just after I enlarged the DHCP pool size (though it didn't seem to be full...)
Apr 08 12:05:44 <iurgi> ok
Apr 08 12:05:53 <iurgi> could you test it again from scratch?
Apr 08 12:05:56 <iurgi> do you have the time?
Apr 08 12:06:14 <blathijs> iurgi: You mean, reflash it, switch to bridge mode, reboot, see if it works?
Apr 08 12:12:10 <iurgi> no no
Apr 08 12:12:22 <iurgi> reset it, switch to bridged mode and see if it works
Apr 08 12:12:25 <iurgi> no need to reflash
Apr 08 12:14:46 <blathijs> Yeah, I just realized that (and started doing it as well)
Apr 08 12:17:11 <blathijs> iurgi: Okay, that worked
Apr 08 12:17:59 <blathijs> iurgi: Still needed an extra reboot, due to the "off" SSID "issue", but after that, no more problems
Apr 08 12:18:04 <blathijs> iurgi: Sorry to have scared you :-)
Apr 08 12:19:19 <iurgi> ok
Apr 08 12:19:20 <iurgi> thanks
Apr 08 12:19:21 <iurgi> no prob
Apr 08 12:19:22 <iurgi> :)
Apr 08 12:20:32 <blathijs> The dashboard is very snappy in this release, btw, I remember it being so slow a few versions back :-D
Apr 08 12:21:52 <blathijs> Hmm, perhaps the "Applications" and "Port Forwarding" sections of the "Firewall" settings should be disabled in bridge mode?
Apr 08 12:22:09 <blathijs> And perhaps the "Policy" section should look a bit different as well.
Apr 08 12:23:00 <iurgi> blathijs: I guess so, but to be honest, we didn't pay much attention on those details
Apr 08 12:23:14 <iurgi> the main focus was making the routing part stable and reliable
Apr 08 12:23:17 <iurgi> let's hope we made it
Apr 08 12:23:18 <iurgi> :)
Apr 08 12:23:44 <blathijs> iurgi: Yeah, but perhaps for the next release :-)
Apr 08 12:23:58 <iurgi> blathijs: yes... if they are in the bug list ;)
Apr 08 12:25:45 <blathijs> iurgi: Anyway, except for those two patches, I have no other issues so far. I haven't tested all the youtube/facebook/whatever crap, since I don't use those, though.
Apr 08 12:26:59 <blathijs> I'll just leave it running for a bit. First, time for lunch :-)
Apr 08 12:27:29 <iurgi> the rest of the crap has not changed
Apr 08 12:55:03 <voorstad> Hi Blathijs, thanks for the music plugin fixes!
Apr 08 12:58:43 <blathijs> voorstad: Np :-)
Apr 08 13:10:05 <voorstad> No interest in creating a NTTPGrab plugin? Or do you qualify this as crap as wel ;-) ?
Apr 08 13:31:38 <blathijs> NTTP is news, right?
Apr 08 13:32:20 <blathijs> Hmm, that's NNTP, which is probably what you meant :-)
Apr 08 13:32:20 <voorstad> yep, usenet: http://boards.fon.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6643&hilit=usenet
Apr 08 13:32:40 <blathijs> I like using NNTP for news, not for downloading stuff :-p
Apr 08 13:33:11 <voorstad> exactly
Apr 08 13:48:20 <voorstad> Then I'll give you some dutch radio station links for the music plugin :-P
Apr 08 13:49:27 <voorstad> (for which a firefox plugin would be great. loging into the router just for changing radio station or volume........)
Apr 08 13:55:55 <blathijs> I'm still hoping to get pulseaudio running on the Fonera, but it's not exactly easy..
Apr 08 14:07:15 <voorstad> pulseaudio? what is that?
Apr 08 14:08:37 <barbon> alien tecnolgy for listen martians rock, hip-hop lunatic e more
Apr 08 14:37:38 <blathijs> voorstad: Audio server that is becoming standard on linux systems. It allows streaming over the network between two pulseaudio servers.
Apr 08 14:43:37 <voorstad> blathijs: yes, thanks. I checked wikipedia and saw it was already ubuntu standard
Apr 08 15:37:06 <Decodecoding> Hello. I see Hummingbird ready to be updated in my Fonera WebGui. Is this OK?
Apr 08 15:37:30 <Decodecoding> or is it a test?
Apr 08 15:48:35 <blathijs> Decodecoding: Seems like official images are there: http://download.fonosfera.org/Gari/
Apr 08 15:49:45 <blathijs> iurgi: Hmm, but my patches aren't in after all?
Apr 08 15:51:11 <barbon> fw is ready?
Apr 08 15:51:49 <Decodecoding> seems so
Apr 08 15:52:12 <barbon> mmm
Apr 08 15:52:17 <Decodecoding> Update option appears in the applications section. Unless it is an internal test
Apr 08 15:52:34 <barbon> i wait official announce in blog :V
Apr 08 15:53:05 <Decodecoding> yes. That is the wise choice ;-)
Apr 08 16:16:52 <inouk> it is on the blog guys ;)
Apr 08 16:17:42 <iurgi> blathijs: maybe not
Apr 08 16:17:58 <iurgi> we've been testing audioplugin and it didn't work fine on this release
Apr 08 16:17:58 <inouk> please note that upgrading from an older firmware will change WAN MAC address of the Fonera
Apr 08 16:18:06 <iurgi> oh, inoukk
Apr 08 16:18:07 <iurgi> true
Apr 08 16:18:11 <iurgi> need to say that!!
Apr 08 16:18:20 <inouk> iurgi: ;)
Apr 08 16:19:11 <iurgi> done
Apr 08 16:19:48 <iurgi> blathijs: but I thought your patch for the firmware part was IN
Apr 08 16:19:49 <iurgi> :o
Apr 08 16:20:16 <iurgi> http://blog.fonosfera.org/fly-baby-fly-gari-the-hummingbird-is-born/
Apr 08 16:22:29 * iurgi crosses fingers for the next 2 weeks
Apr 08 16:22:31 <iurgi> XD
Apr 08 16:26:46 <blathijs> iurgi: I think it isn't, according to SVN
Apr 08 16:32:51 <iurgi> blathijs: hmmm
Apr 08 16:33:08 <iurgi> sorry, I thought it was include in the end
Apr 08 16:33:10 <iurgi> :(
Apr 08 16:34:19 <inouk> blathijs: what does it do for firmware?
Apr 08 16:36:14 <inouk> blathijs: maybe you can send it over to fonosfera mailing list
Apr 08 17:18:38 <blathijs> inouk: It fixes a small display flaw in the file browser
Apr 08 17:19:15 <blathijs> inouk: See #623 on fonosfera.org
Apr 08 19:50:55 <voorstad> mmm, I am missing my music plugin
Apr 08 19:51:07 <voorstad> I thought it was in the latets fixes?
Apr 08 19:51:17 <voorstad> from blathijs.....
Apr 08 19:51:38 <voorstad> any way to include it?? It's silent around here now :-(
Apr 08 19:58:56 <blathijs> voorstad: Apparently, there were some other problems with it, or they wanted to do some extra testing before putting the music plugin up. Not sure what the deal is exactly...
Apr 08 20:01:10 <voorstad> mmmm, it was one of my fon show items: internetradio for $2,59....
Apr 08 20:03:30 <voorstad> By the way, do you all have >54Mbp connection speed?
Apr 08 20:03:52 <voorstad> (in case of 11N)
Apr 08 20:05:56 <blathijs> Dunno, I don't have any 11n clients :-)
Apr 08 20:54:09 <Barbon> dude
Apr 08 20:54:18 <Barbon> i have upgraded and put the fon in bridge mode
Apr 08 20:54:29 <Barbon> in application appaer "Internet not present"
Apr 08 20:54:36 <Barbon> in application page
Apr 08 21:37:03 <Henke> Hi! Someone else having trouble with the latest firmware? After flashing, the firmware remains to be the "Rudolph" one (2.3.5.0), nothing happends!
Apr 08 22:50:50 <Andy80> hi
Apr 08 22:51:15 <Andy80> I've a F2n but the upgrade isn't available in Applications.... and I've 2.3.5.0 fw
Apr 08 22:51:22 <Andy80> what do I've to do?
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