**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 14 02:59:57 2010
Sep 14 06:32:42 <blathijs> voorstad: Weird stuf
Sep 14 06:33:08 <voorstad> Morning!
Sep 14 06:34:20 <voorstad> I found that this is the best description around to install MPD: http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/OpenWRT_FullInstall
Sep 14 06:34:41 <voorstad> It's for OpenWrt, so I need to know what is applicable for my Fon router
Sep 14 06:35:11 <voorstad> And sorry, I am a noob here....
Sep 14 06:35:25 <blathijs> voorstad: Btw, could you create a ticket about using mpd for the music plugin?
Sep 14 06:35:31 <voorstad> (but willing to learn)
Sep 14 06:35:43 <voorstad> sure!
Sep 14 06:40:11 <blathijs> voorstad: The page you linked is full of stuff that's not needed on the Fonera
Sep 14 06:43:02 <blathijs> And some stuff (installing php to get a php-based webgui) that's probably not the best approach for the Fonera
Sep 14 06:44:33 <jeroenimo> php webgui on a fonera.. uhm...
Sep 14 06:45:34 <voorstad> http://trac.fonosfera.org/fon-ng/ticket/919
Sep 14 06:47:31 <voorstad> I understand that there is a lot of stuff not necessary, but I need to determine the parts that are required on the FON
Sep 14 06:50:26 <blathijs> voorstad: I think just the mpd package
Sep 14 06:50:44 <blathijs> voorstad: But perhaps it is installing a lot of dependencies that are already installed (but opkg doesn't know that)
Sep 14 06:50:57 <blathijs> I'll have a quick try after breakfast
Sep 14 06:51:28 <voorstad> I did yesterday....
Sep 14 06:51:45 <blathijs> did what?
Sep 14 06:51:58 <voorstad> opkg install MPD
Sep 14 06:52:26 <voorstad> But I didn't know if and how it finished, as the WIFI signal dropped during the installation
Sep 14 06:53:06 <voorstad> But enjoy your Boterham met Pindakaas and I am really anxious to know the outcome!
Sep 14 07:03:28 <blogic> morning
Sep 14 07:05:26 <voorstad> ha blogic, finished with the SimpL firmware ;-) ?
Sep 14 07:05:35 <voorstad> long time no see
Sep 14 07:17:17 <voorstad> @ blathijs. After the wifi drop, I ran opkg upgrade MPD. this finished ok
Sep 14 07:17:47 <voorstad> then I checked /etc/mpd.conf but this was not created
Sep 14 08:04:05 <voorstad> @ Blathijs: did the MPD install finish correctly after breakfast?
Sep 14 08:11:19 <blathijs> voorstad: I'm about to try
Sep 14 08:11:50 <blathijs> I got distracted by my keychain not working, because of dbus not working, because I half-fixed some problem with env vars
Sep 14 08:13:53 <blogic> blathijs: sounds scary
Sep 14 08:14:18 <blathijs> blogic: Yeah, environment variables really aren't meant to pass along things like DBUS session addresses and SSH agent sockets
Sep 14 08:14:35 <blathijs> blogic: It breaks when you have a screen that runs longer than your X session
Sep 14 08:19:49 <blogic> hmm
Sep 14 08:20:09 <blogic> i know why i dont use things like dbus
Sep 14 08:20:17 <blogic> or netmowrk manager
Sep 14 08:20:28 <blogic> i have ifconfig, route, udhcpc and vi
Sep 14 08:20:29 <blogic> :)
Sep 14 08:20:38 <blogic> fite 95% of networking needs
Sep 14 08:20:47 <blathijs> I'd rather not, but more and more stuff needs it
Sep 14 08:20:54 <blogic> haha
Sep 14 08:21:02 <blathijs> (I'm not using n-m either, just ifup/ifdown)
Sep 14 08:21:03 <blogic> i use xterm, vi and gcc most of the time
Sep 14 08:21:13 <blogic> none of them require dbus *crossfingers*
Sep 14 08:21:24 <blogic> lol
Sep 14 08:21:26 <blathijs> Yeah, same here. But firefox, gnumeric, gnucash, need it...
Sep 14 08:22:48 <voorstad> first destracted by key chain, now by Blogic :-)
Sep 14 08:23:12 <Josemi> Good morning
Sep 14 08:24:07 <Josemi> Just two questions: What happened with the music plugin on 2.3.6.1? I didn´t see it on the Applicatios menu
Sep 14 08:24:50 <blathijs> Josemi: It got removed in 2.3.6.0 because it didn't work properly. I hope to bring it back for 2.3.7.0
Sep 14 08:25:10 <Josemi> Great
Sep 14 08:25:40 <Josemi> The second one, I have plugged a webcam, but the fonera doesn´t do anything
Sep 14 08:25:49 <Josemi> Can I do anything to make it work?
Sep 14 08:26:05 <blogic> Josemi: what cam is it ?
Sep 14 08:26:11 <blogic> Josemi: the cam needs to be a uvc cam
Sep 14 08:26:30 <Josemi> How can I know if it is a uvc cam?
Sep 14 08:26:44 <Josemi> http://www.ideasonboard.org/uvc/
Sep 14 08:26:45 <Josemi> ¿?
Sep 14 08:26:59 <blogic> yes
Sep 14 08:27:01 <blogic> that is the driver
Sep 14 08:27:20 <blogic> do you have linux on a laptop or simialr ?
Sep 14 08:27:50 <Josemi> I am using Windows 7 right now, but I also use Ubuntu on other laptop
Sep 14 08:28:08 <blogic> hmm
Sep 14 08:28:12 <blogic> what cam is is t?
Sep 14 08:28:16 <blogic> what cam is it?
Sep 14 08:28:58 <Josemi> A genius webcam
Sep 14 08:29:12 <Josemi> don´t know the name
Sep 14 08:30:43 <Josemi> I got it
Sep 14 08:30:52 <Josemi> Is Genius Video Cam web http://www.genius.ru/i/ibb/VideoCamWeb.jpg
Sep 14 08:31:00 <blathijs> voorstad: All the packages installed by mpd are ~ 1MB compressed, so it's not unlikely that they fill up the available flash space after decompressing
Sep 14 08:31:00 <Josemi> very old
Sep 14 08:31:33 <voorstad> :-(
Sep 14 08:31:42 <blogic> Josemi: then it wont work
Sep 14 08:31:46 <blogic> uvc is the new standard
Sep 14 08:31:51 <blogic> most new cams support it
Sep 14 08:31:55 <Josemi> Oh, ok
Sep 14 08:31:59 <Josemi> Thanks anyway
Sep 14 08:32:12 <voorstad> @blathijs: so we need to install on HD?
Sep 14 08:33:00 <blathijs> voorstad: There are a few libraries that are redundant (since they are already present), so it might work out
Sep 14 08:33:08 <blathijs> Finding out which onese those are right now
Sep 14 08:33:55 <voorstad> It works on a WL500g
Sep 14 08:41:52 <voorstad> http://mightyohm.com/blog/2008/11/building-a-wifi-radio-part-5-lets-make-some-noise/
Sep 14 08:44:12 <blathijs> voorstad: I suspect that opkg tries to replace libpthread, and that doing that kills off the Fonera (probably because something is using pthread and crashes because the .so is replaced, which kills your SSH connection, which halts the replacement halfway)
Sep 14 08:44:16 <blathijs> something like that
Sep 14 08:44:56 <blathijs> when I let the Fonera know about the pre-installed packages, it skips libpthread and zlib and it installs mpd normally
Sep 14 08:45:13 <blathijs> but then it still misses libcurl and libasound ( for some reason it does not depend on these)
Sep 14 08:45:57 <blathijs> perhaps more, but I filled up my filesystem installing alsa-lib (which also pulled in kernel modules and a new kernel)
Sep 14 08:46:05 <blathijs> so I might need to do a reset now ;-)
Sep 14 08:46:43 <voorstad> Great Blathijs, tis is far beyond my skills....
Sep 14 08:47:26 <blathijs> At least we found that just installing mpd is not enough :-)
Sep 14 08:47:48 <blathijs> I guess we should recompile it for Fonera specifically and use OSS instead of alsa (IIRC that's what audiod does as well)
Sep 14 08:48:59 <blogic> use OSS and not alsa
Sep 14 08:49:00 <blogic> :)
Sep 14 08:49:09 <blogic> the kernel uses alsa and has a oss emulation layer
Sep 14 08:49:20 <blogic> mpd had trouble with alsa last time i tried
Sep 14 08:49:24 <blogic> which was 4-5 weeks ago
Sep 14 08:49:54 <blogic> using oss in the user apps saves lllooooooooootttttttttsssss of flash space
Sep 14 08:50:47 <blathijs> Yeah, libalso is 279K compressed...
Sep 14 08:50:56 <blathijs> s/also/alsa/
Sep 14 08:58:04 <blogic> indeed
Sep 14 08:58:09 <blogic> liboss is ... ah there is none
Sep 14 08:58:10 <blogic> :)
Sep 14 09:00:13 <voorstad> @ blathijs: and is recompiling for FON easy doable?
Sep 14 09:00:56 <blathijs> Shouldn't be too hard, but it might need a few configuration changes as well
Sep 14 09:02:15 <voorstad> I'll be happy to test
Sep 14 09:04:08 <voorstad> This really would be a great app to advertise with.....
Sep 14 09:49:52 <voorstad> @Blathijs: " a few configuration changes...." you have ideas on which ones?
Sep 14 09:50:23 <blathijs> voorstad: Things to make it smaller, if possible
Sep 14 09:50:27 <blathijs> and disabling libalsa
Sep 14 09:50:35 <blathijs> (so ./configure changes, that is)
Sep 14 09:53:12 <voorstad> And I guess that if we want a lua inteface in the future, MPC needs to be installes as well...?
Sep 14 09:54:51 <blogic> voorstad: we will need a lua plugin to handle mpc i think
Sep 14 09:55:15 <voorstad> No need to install MPC for that?
Sep 14 09:57:28 <blogic> well
Sep 14 09:57:39 <blogic> if you install mpc you can use it from the shell
Sep 14 09:58:21 <blathijs> some kind of libmpc might help, though, but that's perhaps something for later
Sep 14 09:58:55 <voorstad> ok. well, if you have a recompiled MPD for FON, i'd be happy to test
Sep 14 09:59:20 <blathijs> I'll keep that in mind. Might take a while though, I'd like to focus on the 2.3.7.0 beta first
Sep 14 10:00:06 <voorstad> :-(, back to installing the Music Plugin then and keep unplugging the USB audio stick :-(
Sep 14 10:03:21 <voorstad> 2.3.7.0 is for 2.0g right?
Sep 14 10:04:59 <blathijs> and 2.0n
Sep 14 10:06:40 <voorstad> both? ok, wow
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