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Sep 22 08:06:56 <voorstad> He Blathijs, how is bridging on 2.0g going? Did you unsnarl the code already?
Sep 22 08:19:07 <blathijs> voorstad: Still having mtu problems I don't completely understand yet
Sep 22 08:39:10 <voorstad> mmm, that is a pitty
Sep 22 08:42:09 <blogic> blathijs: have you tried a backfire image ?
Sep 22 08:43:58 <blathijs> blogic: Nope, though I did browse around OpenWRT's svn as you suggested, but there's no MTU related patch or fix there AFAICS
Sep 22 08:44:22 <blogic> ok
Sep 22 08:45:22 <blathijs> But it might very well be that this is fixed in newer kernels
Sep 22 08:45:45 <blathijs> I see references like "Let's hope the underlying ethernet driver supports the extra 4 bytes" in the vlan code :-)
Sep 22 08:46:27 <blathijs> But that would, I think, the VLAN to break entirely (and in particular that would not be fixed by changing the MTU of the ath1 device)
Sep 22 08:47:23 <Barbon> blathijs>	voorstad: Still having mtu problems I don't completely understand yet => what is MTU?
Sep 22 08:51:08 <voorstad> http://en.kioskea.net/faq/2093-introduction-to-mtu
Sep 22 08:52:54 <voorstad> @ blathijs: new kernel..... 3.0.0.1 becomes closer?
Sep 22 08:53:01 <voorstad> ;-)
Sep 22 08:53:11 <blathijs> voorstad: No, I don't expect a new kernel anytime soon, really
Sep 22 08:53:45 <voorstad> :-(
Sep 22 08:54:55 <blogic> why new kernel ?
Sep 22 08:55:37 <blathijs> blogic: I talked with Paolo this week, he has created a custom firmware with ipv6 support
Sep 22 08:56:07 <blathijs> blogic: He is using the 2.6.21.7 kernel, because of some ipv6 fix he needed
Sep 22 08:56:29 <blathijs> blogic: So I looked into the kernel changelog a bit, in case it would be useful to upgrade in general
Sep 22 08:56:54 <blathijs> And to have a place to record this info, I created a ticket for a possible kernel upgrade
Sep 22 08:57:19 <blathijs> (Paolo got the wifi driver working by stripping out the module version info entirely, I think)
Sep 22 08:57:29 <blogic> lol
Sep 22 08:57:35 <blogic> oh well
Sep 22 08:57:47 <blogic> that is an ugly hack imho but well ....
Sep 22 08:58:36 <blathijs> blogic: Did I remember correctly that you have access to the wifi driver sources?
Sep 22 08:58:42 <blogic> yes
Sep 22 08:58:48 <blogic> but i wont bump the kernel version of it
Sep 22 08:58:55 <blogic> and it breaks compile on newer versions
Sep 22 08:59:45 <blogic> basically you can get a wifi driver with basic support, but stuff like calibration is totally broken
Sep 22 09:00:15 <blathijs> Just going from 2.6.21 to 2.6.21.7 should be ok, right?
Sep 22 09:00:32 <blathijs> I didn't see any wifi related changes in the changelog I think
Sep 22 09:03:30 <blogic> ah ok
Sep 22 09:03:30 <blogic> yes
Sep 22 09:03:35 <blogic> we can do that i guess
Sep 22 09:04:51 <blathijs> I don't think it needs to happen real soon, but it's good to keep in mind
Sep 22 09:05:57 <blogic> well
Sep 22 09:06:13 <blogic> if i bump the wifi driver we could aswell bump kernel i guess
Sep 22 09:06:40 <blathijs> Ah, when upgrading the wifi driver itself you mean?
Sep 22 09:10:35 <blogic> yes
Sep 22 09:10:51 <blogic> fonosfera has 2.3.1.0 and i just got 2.5.0.0
Sep 22 09:54:30 <voorstad> Is there any roadmap on 2.0g / 2.0n / Simple firmware & plugins? What get's priority?
Sep 22 10:02:06 <Barbon> http://www.transformice.com/en/
Sep 22 10:02:08 <Barbon> wanna play?
Sep 22 10:02:19 <Barbon> :P
Sep 22 10:07:37 <blathijs> voorstad: There's a bit of a priority list in my head, but not as such
Sep 22 10:07:59 <blathijs> voorstad: The "roadmap" section on the trac should give an idea of what we'll try to get into the upcoming release
Sep 22 10:57:03 <voorstad> @ blathijs: ok, I'll have a look. It is good to see activity, what the FON future looks like is still a bit unclear to me.....
Sep 22 11:26:12 <voorstad> ok, so the roadmap is 2.3.7.0. That's it...?
Sep 22 11:30:51 <blogic> voorstad: not only unclear for oyu :)
Sep 22 11:43:04 <voorstad> mmmm... What about Simple, will it come out shortly?
Sep 22 11:46:59 <blogic> hehe
Sep 22 11:47:04 <blogic>  /* no comment */
Sep 22 11:47:06 <blogic> :D
Sep 22 11:51:47 <voorstad> ng2 then?
Sep 22 11:52:19 <blogic> ?
Sep 22 11:52:24 <blogic> you lost me now
Sep 22 11:53:12 <voorstad> Sep 16 19:02:30 <blathijs> Something to port to ng2, perhaps? :-) Sep 16 19:02:39 <blogic> what is ng2 ? Sep 16 19:02:42 <blogic> never heard of it Sep 16 19:03:51 <blogic> lol Sep 16 19:03:52 <blogic> :D
Sep 22 11:55:51 <blogic> as i said, you lost me there
Sep 22 11:57:22 <voorstad> hehe
Sep 22 15:48:35 <blathijs> Hm, crap, burnt my USB -> serial convertor
Sep 22 15:48:54 <blathijs> Stupid linux giving me permission denied errors, distracting me from the smoke coming from the chip :-)
Sep 22 15:49:25 <blathijs> The fonera doesn't smell burnt, though
Sep 22 15:50:08 <blathijs> Hmm, this looked like an easy project, wonder what I screwed up, then
Sep 22 15:51:45 <blathijs> Ah, I think I read the picture on the trac wrong and assuming the black wire was going to be ground
Sep 22 15:51:48 <blathijs> crap
Sep 22 15:58:18 <blogic> ouch
Sep 22 15:58:27 <blogic> you need a replacement ?
Sep 22 15:58:38 <blogic> let me check if i can find one
Sep 22 15:59:09 <blogic> http://www.ic-board.de/product_info.php?info=p29_USB-A-UART-Bridge.html
Sep 22 15:59:19 <blogic> you should ask iurgi if you can get one of these
Sep 22 15:59:34 <blogic> they are what we use, solid as heel, bufefred, virtually unbreakable
Sep 22 15:59:41 <blogic> had mine for 2 1/2 years now
Sep 22 16:27:02 <blathijs> blogic: This was just a pl2303 that I got years back for my Nokia phone
Sep 22 16:27:36 <blogic> ok
Sep 22 16:27:40 <blathijs> thought I'd hook it up to my 2.0g, but I completely misinterpreted the pinout (the only docs on the trac is an image)
Sep 22 16:28:22 <blathijs> I'm slightly afraid that I blew up the serial port on my Fonera too, I've hooked up another USB -> serial converter now and it doesn't seem to work
Sep 22 16:28:52 <blogic> ouch
Sep 22 16:29:01 <blogic> this is 20g ?
Sep 22 16:29:29 <blathijs> yup
Sep 22 16:29:53 <blogic> hmkay
Sep 22 16:29:58 <blogic> you have only 1 unit ?
Sep 22 16:30:09 <blathijs> The problem with serial stuff is always that it's hard to debug until it actually works
Sep 22 16:30:13 <blathijs> yeah, just noe
Sep 22 16:30:15 <blathijs> s/noe/one/
Sep 22 16:30:16 <blogic> crap
Sep 22 16:30:22 <blogic> how long did it take to flash ?
Sep 22 16:30:37 <blogic> 25 minuts or was it one of the units that flashe din 4 minutes
Sep 22 16:30:51 <blathijs> I think mine needs 10 minutes or so
Sep 22 16:32:02 <blogic> ok
Sep 22 16:32:07 <blogic> its a fast flashing unit then
Sep 22 16:32:10 <blogic> well.....
Sep 22 16:32:19 <blogic> i need to go to the post office tomorrow
Sep 22 16:32:23 <blogic> i can send you a spare one
Sep 22 16:33:20 <blathijs> Hm, it might not be broken after all
Sep 22 16:33:32 <blogic> ok
Sep 22 16:33:54 <blathijs> Doing a cat /dev/zero > /dev/ttyS0 brings pin 3 down, which I thought was RX, but is probably TX then
Sep 22 16:34:11 <blathijs> And I can actually receive something now (though it's not what I sent :-)
Sep 22 16:35:52 <blogic> haha
Sep 22 16:35:57 <blogic> wrong baudrate ?
Sep 22 16:36:00 <blogic> its 9600 baud
Sep 22 16:36:08 <blathijs> I think I've set that
Sep 22 16:36:26 <blathijs> though I've yet to find a real good serial terminal program under linux
Sep 22 16:37:25 <blogic> minicom
Sep 22 16:37:57 <blogic> used it for years, i love it
Sep 22 16:38:07 <blathijs> I think I've used that, but I still find all of that modem crap funny
Sep 22 16:38:33 <blathijs> I was using cu for talking to switches, which worked fine as long as hardware flow control was available
Sep 22 16:38:55 <blathijs> it works somewhat now, but it seems my Fonera has stopped transmitting ("echo foo > /dev/ttyS0" blocks)
Sep 22 16:38:58 <blathijs> let's reboot it
Sep 22 17:21:57 <Barbon> blathijs
Sep 22 17:22:06 <Barbon> you know that windows xp have a code free?
Sep 22 17:22:53 <blathijs> Uh, what?
Sep 22 17:23:52 <Barbon> wait
Sep 22 17:24:24 <Barbon> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31029568&id=1443112504&oid=93774036155
Sep 22 17:24:26 <Barbon> sec xD
Sep 22 17:24:33 <Barbon> http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs454.ash1/24998_378840513773_671608773_3603674_5975323_n.jpg
Sep 22 17:24:43 <Barbon> the second link is the correct one
Sep 22 17:24:54 <Barbon> read the code :D
Sep 22 17:27:09 <blathijs> heh
Sep 22 17:28:28 <Barbon> if (still_not_crashed)
Sep 22 17:28:29 <Barbon> lol
Sep 22 18:14:29 <tgh> Hi
Sep 22 18:15:08 <tgh> I can't upload the fonera2.0n firmware I get a invalid image with all files I try it, can anybody help me???
Sep 22 18:16:28 <blathijs> tgh: You should use a .tgz file through the webinterface
Sep 22 18:16:36 <blathijs> tgh: What version are you trying to flash?
Sep 22 18:18:11 <tgh> I try with 2.3.6.1 and 2.3.6.0
Sep 22 18:18:31 <tgh> in web page are img and tar files there isn't tgz
Sep 22 18:18:49 <blathijs> Ah, another one
Sep 22 18:19:03 <tgh> what?
Sep 22 18:19:17 <blathijs> tgh: I think your browser automatically unpacks thet .tgz (which is really a .tar.gz, so it might be stripping the .gz part)
Sep 22 18:19:49 <blathijs> tgh: On this page, I do think you see a .tgz file listed, right? http://download.fonosfera.org/LATEST/fonera2.0n-FON2300/
Sep 22 18:20:04 <tgh> yes it is
Sep 22 18:20:12 <tgh> may be the browser unpacks it
Sep 22 18:20:22 <blathijs> But if you click it and save it you get a .tar file?
Sep 22 18:20:27 <blathijs> What browser are you using?
Sep 22 18:21:04 <tgh> i try with safari with the included in a feedreader
Sep 22 18:21:29 <tgh> safari and the included in netnewswire (feedreader)
Sep 22 18:22:25 <blathijs> Hmm, I don't have that here to test
Sep 22 18:22:30 <blathijs> tgh: Do you have another browser to use?
Sep 22 18:22:36 <tgh> i'm trying now with firefox
Sep 22 18:23:13 <blathijs> Let me know the result
Sep 22 18:24:32 <tgh> ok, I tell you in few moments
Sep 22 18:24:46 <blathijs> (I might be away for a bit, but tell me anyway)
Sep 22 18:25:19 <tgh> ok, now it is upgrading
Sep 22 18:25:22 <tgh> thanks a lot
Sep 22 18:25:28 <tgh> and f..ck me
Sep 22 18:25:29 <tgh> :s
Sep 22 18:26:13 <tgh> i don't check that it is the same extension, I see that it is a compressed file
Sep 22 18:26:24 <tgh> and i dont check if it is tar or tgz
Sep 22 18:26:26 <tgh> :s
Sep 22 18:26:56 <tgh> i'm feeling like a nerd :s
Sep 22 18:27:34 <tgh> after that, the ssh password is the same that the password to enter in luci configuration ????
Sep 22 18:31:05 <tgh> --------  Fonera 20n Firmware (v2.3.6.1) -----------       * Based on OpenWrt - http://openwrt.org              * Powered by FON - http://www.fon.com          ----------------------------------------------------
Sep 22 18:31:09 <tgh> all is ok
Sep 22 18:31:18 <tgh> blathijs thanks a lot
Sep 22 18:32:07 <tgh> i'm going to try some things ;)
Sep 22 18:38:51 <blathijs> tgh: Heh, it's silly that your browser unpacks things for you, I guess
Sep 22 18:39:03 <blathijs> I wonder if we can fix this on the server, though
Sep 22 18:39:11 <blathijs> tgh: Have fun playing around
Sep 22 18:39:23 <blathijs> If you have questions, or want to share things, this is the right place :-)
Sep 22 19:32:00 <blogic> meep
Sep 22 19:52:23 <inouk> blop :)
Sep 22 19:53:26 <barbon> prrrot
Sep 22 20:48:47 <Tas> hi
Sep 22 21:18:30 <barbon> CONGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!||||||||||||||||||||
Sep 22 21:18:34 <barbon> CONGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!||||||||||||||||||||
Sep 22 21:18:35 <barbon> CONGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!||||||||||||||||||||
Sep 22 22:32:24 <tgh> hi
Sep 22 22:32:46 <tgh> i'm trying to put the fonera in wireless repeater mode
Sep 22 22:33:02 <tgh> i'm editing wireless and network files
Sep 22 22:33:36 <tgh> but I can't see any change in ifconfig and iwconfig
Sep 22 22:33:57 <tgh> there is any other file or the good files are /etc/config/     network and wireless
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