**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 09 02:59:59 2013 Jan 09 15:37:28 hello Jan 09 15:38:21 during a flash upgrade I must have accidentally deleted the redboot partition, so I bricked a fon 2202 router... Jan 09 15:38:32 do you have any sugestion to recover it? Jan 09 15:39:44 How did you flash it? Using the "mtd" command? Jan 09 15:41:45 devnull_: If you really thrashed the redboot partition, you might not be able to recover easily (might need JTAG if that's even possible, or attaching an external serial programmer to the flash chip) Jan 09 15:42:09 Most recovery methods (via telnet and through the serial port) rely on redboot to do the flashing IIRC Jan 09 15:42:14 I think I used the mtd command yes... Jan 09 15:42:33 however, I don't you you can actually kill redboot with the mtd command Jan 09 15:42:55 something went wrong.. now nothing shows up un the internal serial port Jan 09 15:43:21 at least not from the official Fon firmwares (the kernel has hardcoded partition protection), if you used stock OpenWRT, I'm not sure Jan 09 15:43:35 devnull_: That's weird, nothing on the serial port would suggest redboot is broken Jan 09 15:43:50 devnull_: Are you sure you got the settings and connections right? Did the serial port work before? Jan 09 15:43:59 blathijs: yes. that's what I thought. I must have overwritten it... Jan 09 15:45:26 i was testing different firmwares... and I tried to flash it from inside openwrt... Jan 09 15:45:46 with "mtd write ..." Jan 09 15:46:43 anyway, is there any way to enable a failsafe fw (as in asus routers) by shorting a pin on the flash chip? (or anywhere else) Jan 09 15:46:58 has anyone tried reflashing redboot with JTAG ? Jan 09 15:49:47 The 2.0g has a failsafe firmware that can be triggered by holding the reset button during poweron (IIRC), but that's triggered by redboot as well Jan 09 15:50:54 Here's some instructions for flashing using redboot: http://trac.fonosfera.org/fon-ng/wiki/redboot http://trac.fonosfera.org/fon-ng/wiki/serial#FlashingviaRedboot (network / serial) Jan 09 15:51:17 I haven't actually used JTAG on the 2.0g before Jan 09 15:52:23 This page suggests the 2.0g does not have JTAG: http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/fon/fonera2 Jan 09 15:52:45 Though the FON wiki says it has: http://oldwiki.fon.com/wiki/Fonera_2.0g_Specifications Jan 09 15:54:10 blathijs: thanks. there's a row of pins that resembles a jtag Jan 09 15:54:31 as last resource I may remove the flash chip and try to flash it with a microcontroller... Jan 09 15:54:47 anyway, is it still possible to buy tehse older models? 2200, 2202 ? Jan 09 15:54:56 tehse->these Jan 09 15:55:05 No, I don't think we have any left Jan 09 15:55:23 2303 (2.0n) is still for sale, though Jan 09 15:56:43 I also have 2 2200 but both started having random crashes... Jan 09 15:57:35 on the one that crashes more often, I tried to feed t with 3.3V directly to the 3.3V pin of the interial serial port (and disconnected the external PSU), and it seems to work Jan 09 15:57:51 devnull_: You might want to try a different power supply. In a lot of cases, weird instabilities are caused by a failing power supply Jan 09 15:58:15 devnull_: Creative solution :-) Jan 09 15:58:16 I think it may be related to the internal regulator/capacitors Jan 09 15:59:02 Ah, the 3.3V is after the regulators, of course Jan 09 15:59:21 I was using a 3.3V regulator.. and it got quite hot... It can only deliver 1Amp... Jan 09 15:59:51 the 2200 uses a 7.5V(?) transformer. Jan 09 16:00:14 dunno, I don't have one here Jan 09 16:00:28 * blathijs works on the 2.0's mostly :-) Jan 09 16:00:32 I guess the router lower's it to 3.3V and even lower for some other internal HW Jan 09 16:01:04 these unit's (2200 and 2202) were quite neat. Cheap, small and used almost no power (2~3W) Jan 09 16:02:09 only the flash chip was too slow.. they took almost 1min to boot... and reflash took several minutes....(30min?) Jan 09 16:02:45 Later 2.0gs have faster flash chips. I think I have one that takes 30minutes and one that takes 7 or 8 minutes or something Jan 09 16:03:11 I also have a couple Asus routers: a wl500g and a wl500gpv1 Jan 09 16:03:21 both boot in <20sec Jan 09 16:03:46 but are too big.... and use at least 2x more power than the fon's... Jan 09 16:04:21 (correction: the 2nd router is a WL500G Premium v1) Jan 09 16:07:32 If I swap the flash chip with something compatible, but faster, will it boot faster? or is the speed limited by the FON ? Jan 09 16:08:42 No clue, tbh. The CPU isn't blazingly fast, of course. Jan 09 16:11:02 is there any info available regarding the HW on the fon? Jan 09 16:11:35 I'd like to remove/replace the internal 7.5->3.3V converter.. Jan 09 16:12:49 There is http://oldwiki.fon.com/wiki/Fonera_2.0g_Specifications but I guess you're looking for more details? :-) Jan 09 16:13:36 yes... Jan 09 16:13:47 the power schematics... to know what to remove... Jan 09 16:15:17 I'm afraid not, they were probably designed by a third party I suspect Jan 09 16:19:25 I had a look at the internal Fon wiki, but nothing there. I'll ask the guy who worked on this years back, but don't get your hopes up... Jan 09 16:21:06 :) Jan 09 16:21:08 thanks Jan 09 16:21:56 the fon2202 has a 2x7 pin connector that looks like a jtag inteface Jan 09 16:26:44 devnull_: This pages suggests so: http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=311119&sid=4052884f19cd34bcbbe515c2d11f6f66 Jan 09 16:27:51 devnull_: This looks even better: https://sites.google.com/site/zagarduari/ Jan 09 16:29:12 found via http://foro.seguridadwireless.net/hardware/fonera-2202-reflashear-mediante-jtag/ Jan 09 16:31:11 blathijs: thanks :D Jan 09 16:32:25 devnull_: Do keep me posted of your progress, btw ;-) Jan 09 16:32:57 just checked and I bought this router 4 years ago... time goes by fast... Jan 09 16:35:39 I think I have a backup of all mtd partitions... Jan 09 16:36:08 just hope I didn't delete the board_config partition too... Jan 09 16:39:03 Didn't back that one up too? Jan 09 16:46:06 I'm not sure. it's a hidden partition Jan 09 16:46:26 (I did a backup 4 years ago.. when I got it...) Jan 09 16:46:46 anyway, just checked the flash chip, and it's an SPI model Jan 09 16:46:50 ST M25P64 Jan 09 16:47:35 If I manage to recover it, I may try a faster chip (>50Mhz) Jan 09 16:48:14 the chip uses only 8 pins, even though it has 16 Jan 09 16:49:10 and the fast it's a SO16 package helps... because the pins are spaced out, and so, easy to (un)solder Jan 09 16:49:55 wait.... Jan 09 16:50:11 * blathijs waits Jan 09 16:50:12 beying SPI means it has /ChipSelect Jan 09 16:50:15 :) Jan 09 16:50:26 I can solder a bridge to another fon... Jan 09 16:50:33 desolder the pinselect on the 2202 Jan 09 16:50:44 and boot from the redboot on another fon... Jan 09 16:50:57 then cut the remote CS cable Jan 09 16:51:09 Funky :-) Jan 09 16:51:11 reconnect the local CS and I should be able to reflash it Jan 09 17:12:00 overclocking fon's: https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=18105 Jan 09 17:35:48 hola Jan 09 17:36:11 blathijs: you know that on new firmware my 3g dongle stop working? Jan 09 17:36:30 atleat mine, zte dongle Jan 09 17:36:33 scarecr0w: Hmm, that's weird. Anything useful in logread? Jan 09 17:37:11 scarecr0w: Not much changed there, perhaps the USB driver. You could try downgrading the USB driver, I sent instructions for that to the mailing list last week (to a guy named Alexandre IIRC) Jan 09 17:37:19 i need to watch it, now i dont have the fonera here, but i think it's the usual modeswitch problem Jan 09 17:37:49 Perhaps you modified modeswithc in the previous version? Jan 09 17:38:04 i was using a custon firmware made by you Jan 09 17:38:10 custom* Jan 09 17:38:13 Hmmkay Jan 09 17:38:26 I'm planning to do a new beta fairly soon, with the new umtsd2 integrated, as well as more up-to-date usb modeswitch Jan 09 17:38:33 but gotta run now, dinner time Jan 09 17:38:44 oky Jan 09 17:38:50 let me know then Jan 09 17:38:59 have a nice dinner Jan 09 17:39:01 ;) Jan 09 17:40:22 see you later.. Jan 09 17:40:31 blathijs: #840: K3765 from vodafone in Netherlands not recognised Jan 09 17:40:44 here is the trac post Jan 09 17:42:11 I own a newer dongle too but never worked Jan 09 18:17:43 scarecr0w: The ticket seems to have instructions in the next-to-last comment, tried those? Jan 09 18:17:59 It seems the usb-modeswitch changes shouldn't be required anymore, that MessageContent is already in the file Jan 09 18:22:57 I suspect that the new_id thing is still needed in any case (if I read this link correctly, writing something to new_id tells the driver in question that it should handle that particular usb device, without having to upgrade the kernel to get an updated list of device -> driver mappings: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2012-October/036082.html) Jan 09 18:23:37 scarecr0w: In any case, I'll poke you when I have something with umtsd2 to test :-) Jan 09 19:44:46 ok mate Jan 09 19:48:50 Hello Jan 09 19:49:05 I'm looking for help about Wifi Bridge feature **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 09 19:52:32 2013 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 09 19:54:19 2013 Jan 09 19:55:11 paul__: Sure, shoot Jan 09 20:01:20 hello Jan 09 20:01:37 I've active the option Jan 09 20:01:49 and the fonera (2.0n) is like a cable Jan 09 20:02:11 Sh's connected to my router, and, Internet is working from the lan Jan 09 20:02:23 but I can't access to the fonera Jan 09 20:02:40 She seems having no ip ! Jan 09 20:16:06 When you configured wifi bridge, you filled in an IP adress. That's the address you should use to reach the Fonera now Jan 09 20:18:17 paul__: What IP address did you fill in there and what's the IP range of your network? Jan 09 20:22:58 I've fill 192.168.100.1, but the ip don't work Jan 09 20:23:13 My principal router is 192.168.10.1 Jan 09 20:35:14 Those IP address are in different networks (assuming you're using 255.255.255.0 as the netmask) Jan 09 20:35:57 So your principal router, and your pc's are configured in the 192.168.10.x network. So any traffic for 192.168.100.x is forwarded to your principal router, and from there to the internet (where it gets dropped) Jan 09 20:36:48 To make this work, you'll need to give your Fonera an IP in the same range as the rest of the network, so 192.168.10.200 for example (taking care to put the IP outside of the DHCP range of your principal router, my example of .200 is probably high enough for that) Jan 09 20:37:55 To regain access to your Fonera, you should configure your PC with a static IP address in the same range as the address the Fonera has now (for example 192.168.100.2 / 255.255.255.0). Leave DNS servers and gateway empty, you won't need those just to get back to your Fonera Jan 09 20:40:35 Ok i try this Jan 09 20:40:40 thks ! Jan 09 20:44:41 Your welcome, let me know if it worked Jan 09 20:57:01 :( Jan 09 20:57:07 It don't work Jan 09 20:57:33 if I don't specify a gateway, he choose 192.168.10.1 (my router) Jan 09 20:57:59 You set 192.168.100.2 as the address? Jan 09 20:58:01 and, if I choose 192.168.200.1, it don't word Jan 09 20:58:20 no ! 200.2 Jan 09 20:59:00 I suggested 100.2, since that's in the same range as your Fonera's 100.1 Jan 09 20:59:20 I also suggested 10.200, but that's the IP to set on your Fonera to fix it afterwards Jan 09 20:59:23 I've put 200.1 for my fonera ! Jan 09 20:59:40 (Excuse, my english is very bad .. :s) Jan 09 21:00:24 Ah, you said 100.1 here, that got me confused: I've fill 192.168.100.1, but the ip don't work < Jan 09 21:01:06 excuse me.. I've made a mistake Jan 09 21:01:13 it's 200.1 Jan 09 21:01:31 Hmm, weird that using 200.2 for your PC doesn't work, then Jan 09 21:02:03 Just to confirm: You configured 200.2 on your PC and entered http://192.168.200.1 in your browser Jan 09 21:02:07 ? Jan 09 21:02:12 yes Jan 09 21:04:11 How are you connecting to your Fonera? Cable or MyPlace wifi? Jan 09 21:04:19 cable Jan 09 21:04:51 That should be fine, then Jan 09 21:06:42 it's the same with WIFI, the computer seems connected directly at the rooter (10.1) Jan 09 21:07:16 That's expected, that's what bridge mode does. However, the Fonera should be connected to that same network as well. Jan 09 21:07:26 I'm not sure what else you could try, except dumping all network traffic to see if you can see anything coming from the Fonera Jan 09 21:07:52 The last resort option is to do a factory reset (loosing all settings) and then configure wifi-bridge mode correctly from scratch Jan 09 21:08:14 yes, I think I will do that (factory reset) Jan 09 21:08:25 It will be more clear Jan 09 21:09:00 Thanks a lot for your help Jan 09 21:12:01 No problem Jan 09 21:12:29 Have a good evening Jan 09 21:12:30 bye **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 10 02:59:59 2013