**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 16 02:59:57 2009
May 16 04:01:45 <Serdar> hmm
May 16 09:13:05 <Serdar> wie kann man nochmal mit vim text files nach unix formatieren, damit dieser keine ^Ms mehr hat?
May 16 09:13:37 <Serdar> oh wail wrong channel
May 16 09:14:04 <soul9> :)
May 16 09:25:30 <Serdar> soul9, did you tried to compile the latest cupcake?
May 16 09:25:42 <Serdar> it's really really bad
May 16 09:28:13 <soul9> is it?
May 16 09:28:15 <soul9> :-/
May 16 09:28:19 <soul9> lemme see
May 16 09:29:34 <soul9> how the f*** did panicking compile it
May 16 09:29:35 <soul9> :(
May 16 09:30:00 <Serdar> no it compiled
May 16 09:30:07 <Serdar> and it is booting
May 16 09:30:12 <soul9> o?
May 16 09:30:15 <soul9> nice
May 16 09:30:45 <soul9> ok, syncing now then i'll make it
May 16 09:31:09 <Serdar> but the issues I found are the followings
May 16 09:31:32 <Serdar> * no way of working without a sim card
May 16 09:31:56 <Serdar> * adb did not work
May 16 09:32:02 <Serdar> * no suspending
May 16 09:32:15 <soul9> huhh
May 16 09:32:21 <soul9> no suspending sucks++
May 16 09:32:25 <soul9> adb too
May 16 09:32:29 <soul9> darn, that sucks
May 16 09:32:36 <soul9> Serdar, is that with latest repo?
May 16 09:33:34 <Serdar> yes
May 16 09:33:43 <Serdar> you want my installer to test it?
May 16 09:33:52 <soul9> yea
May 16 09:33:58 <soul9> sure
May 16 09:34:05 <soul9> i'll try and compile it myself too, though
May 16 09:34:11 <soul9> Serdar, how did you do it?
May 16 09:34:46 <Serdar> make -j2 TARGET_PRODUCT=freerunner
May 16 09:36:24 <soul9> yep
May 16 10:01:54 <Serdar> soul9, moko.serdar-dere.net
May 16 10:02:13 <Serdar> I am testing now the battery draining
May 16 10:02:36 <soul9> ok
May 16 10:06:16 <Serdar> lol
May 16 10:06:22 <Serdar> it's frozen
May 16 14:02:02 <Serdar> hi m2
May 16 14:33:51 <Serdar> hi panicking
May 16 14:34:12 <panicking> hi, no news because today I have some plans with my girlfriend
May 16 14:34:13 <panicking> :(
May 16 14:35:22 <Serdar> I got some bad news about cupcake
May 16 14:36:01 <Serdar> <Serdar> * no way of working without a sim card
May 16 14:36:01 <Serdar> <Serdar> * adb did not work
May 16 14:36:01 <Serdar> <Serdar> * no suspending
May 16 14:36:44 <panicking> My phone suspend
May 16 14:36:45 <panicking> :)
May 16 14:36:56 <panicking> and works without simcard
May 16 14:37:17 <soul9> :)
May 16 14:37:21 <soul9> mine hangs...
May 16 14:37:25 <soul9> what kernel should i use?
May 16 14:37:37 <soul9> the latest one of yours should work?
May 16 14:38:06 <Q-Master> panicking: on your's 14.6 cupcake sometimes android start to drain battery even suspended.
May 16 14:38:32 <panicking> maybe is not suspended
May 16 14:38:38 <panicking> can you try to connect with adb
May 16 14:38:39 <panicking> ?
May 16 14:38:42 <Q-Master> seems that this happens after a phone call
May 16 14:39:20 <Q-Master> panicking: I've built adb for my powerpc debian linux, so I could try to.
May 16 14:39:25 <panicking> Ok, I will move to the new cupcake
May 16 14:39:26 <panicking> :)
May 16 14:39:36 <panicking> yes if you can connect using adb
May 16 14:39:43 <panicking> the problem is that a wakelock is pending
May 16 14:39:47 <panicking> and not removed
May 16 14:40:24 <Q-Master> panicking: and another one question, have you solved the problem with suspend during a call?
May 16 14:40:57 <panicking> I must repost a new patch to linux-pm mailing list. I stop this activity because I'm very busy with my work
May 16 14:41:04 <panicking> I will  post maybe the next week
May 16 14:41:25 <Q-Master> ok
May 16 14:42:00 <Q-Master> panicking: the phone become hot during this battery-drain state.
May 16 14:42:13 <Q-Master> seems that cpu is busy enough
May 16 14:43:04 <panicking> Can you try to explain? Maybe the system is in loop somewhere and the phone don't go to sleep
May 16 14:43:55 <Q-Master> I've tried to adb shell to phone just after a call and to see what top outs, but there were nothing suspicious
May 16 14:44:18 <panicking> suspend the phone
May 16 14:44:23 <panicking> and try again with adb
May 16 14:44:42 <Q-Master> I just can't catch a moment when this happens.
May 16 14:44:49 <Q-Master> I'll try now
May 16 14:46:08 <Q-Master> something completely wrong happened
May 16 14:47:18 <Q-Master> the phone doesn't out to handset anything, and hang after a 7-10 sec of dialing
May 16 14:47:40 <Q-Master> and phone app is not responding now.
May 16 14:48:00 <Q-Master> with the request of shutdown it or wait
May 16 14:48:03 <panicking> What is the version: filesystem and kernel
May 16 14:48:04 <panicking> ?
May 16 14:48:50 <Q-Master> 14.6 cupcake and the v17 uimage
May 16 14:50:46 <panicking> I think that the best thing is to wait for other version. But it is strange
May 16 14:50:57 <Q-Master> yep.
May 16 14:52:00 <Q-Master> the koolu beta6 on my friend's neo works worse. he can phone only for about 30-40sec. Then call hangs.
May 16 14:52:31 <panicking> I never have a call hang
May 16 14:52:32 <panicking> sorry
May 16 14:52:40 <panicking> can you try the version that is not cupcake
May 16 14:52:42 <panicking> ?
May 16 14:53:00 <panicking> I know that the phone can go in standby during call but not hang
May 16 14:53:06 <Q-Master> beta6 seems not cupcake
May 16 14:53:06 <panicking> I will provide a new kernel soon
May 16 14:53:21 <panicking> Ok I have a no cupcake version too
May 16 14:53:41 <Q-Master> no cupcake lacks for a keyboard
May 16 14:56:01 <Q-Master> panicking: heh. it is now powered off the display, but not suspend
May 16 14:56:52 <panicking> go to /sys/power/
May 16 14:56:55 <Q-Master> panicking: it is definitely not suspending after a call
May 16 14:57:00 <Q-Master> ok
May 16 14:57:11 <panicking> and cat wake_lock
May 16 14:57:18 <panicking> to see if somenthing is on
May 16 14:57:33 <panicking> When do you have download your version
May 16 14:57:34 <panicking> ?
May 16 14:57:39 <panicking> recently or in the past
May 16 14:57:46 <Q-Master>  cat wake_lock
May 16 14:57:46 <Q-Master> cat wake_lock
May 16 14:57:46 <Q-Master> PowerManagerService
May 16 14:58:02 <Q-Master> panicking: it is not so new
May 16 14:58:22 <Q-Master> it is from 4th of april
May 16 14:58:26 <panicking> I have create a intermediate version with a bug
May 16 14:58:45 <panicking> but it is new
May 16 14:59:04 <Q-Master> I am not sure that my neo has this version installed
May 16 14:59:12 <panicking> One question
May 16 14:59:15 <Q-Master> I might have a previous one
May 16 14:59:35 <panicking> Can you try to download again the cupcake
May 16 14:59:36 <panicking> ?
May 16 14:59:51 <Q-Master> from your site?
May 16 15:00:05 <panicking> yes
May 16 15:00:17 <panicking> http://panicking.kicks-ass.org/download
May 16 15:00:55 <Q-Master> heh. it is marked as of 11th of march there
May 16 15:01:17 <panicking> Yes I know
May 16 15:01:20 <panicking> :)
May 16 15:01:31 <Q-Master> but I've already dloaded this one: freerunner-cupcake-snapshot.jffs2 	29,14 MB 	  May 15 09 16:59:52
May 16 15:01:46 <panicking> the snapshot is the newest one
May 16 15:01:56 <panicking> but it don't work
May 16 15:02:01 <panicking> now in all the stuff
May 16 15:02:01 <Q-Master> 8)
May 16 15:03:44 <Q-Master> I've put the 14.6 for redownload to dload manager. this won't be fast. 8(
May 16 15:17:07 <Q-Master> BTW, how to set up routing in android?
May 16 15:26:48 <soul9> there is an env for that too, like dns iirc
May 16 15:26:52 <soul9> getprop or what...
May 16 16:22:06 <freerunnerlive> hi i can not start the freerunner-cupcake-snapshot.jffs2 image
May 16 16:22:27 <freerunnerlive> i see only the koolu logo and nothing happen
May 16 16:22:43 <freerunnerlive> i flashed the image and a v17 kernel from panicking
May 16 16:23:04 <freerunnerlive> i test with a sc card with vfat and ext3 partition
May 16 16:26:50 <Q-Master> freerunnerlive:Michael told me today that it is broken
May 16 16:26:59 <Q-Master> and not working
May 16 16:28:00 <freerunnerlive> ohh
May 16 16:28:25 <freerunnerlive> is anywhere a new version that works ?
May 16 16:28:44 <Q-Master> he advised me to flash 14.6
May 16 16:29:04 <Q-Master> the new version will be later
May 16 16:29:11 <freerunnerlive> i use the v16.6 2 Month
May 16 16:29:25 <freerunnerlive> it's realy good but needs more speed
May 16 16:31:34 <Q-Master> It seems that it will not be faster than today until glamo 2d accel will be implemented
May 16 17:09:45 <Serdar> Q-Master, you may try moko.serdar-dere.net
May 16 17:09:57 <Serdar> but there are some issues
May 16 17:10:56 <Q-Master> what issues?
May 16 17:11:18 <Q-Master> seems that i am now downloading from there
May 16 17:11:19 <Q-Master> 8)
May 16 17:11:54 <Q-Master> Serdar: is there a normal jffs or an idiotic koolu installer?
May 16 17:12:21 <Serdar> idiotic? it works well here
May 16 17:13:48 <Q-Master> how to install this android to uSD?
May 16 17:14:30 <Serdar> extrat that on your sd card
May 16 17:14:45 <Serdar> run nor
May 16 17:15:00 <Serdar> run boot from sd card
May 16 17:15:19 <Serdar> be (un)happy because of the issues
May 16 17:17:48 <Q-Master> and that crappy installer will install it's own qi, which i don't need, and will install android to nand.
May 16 17:17:50 <Q-Master> nah
May 16 17:18:17 <Serdar> hm?
May 16 17:18:36 <Serdar> is there something better than qi?
May 16 17:18:58 <Q-Master> I have already qi installed
May 16 17:19:14 <Q-Master> and I DONT WANT android in nand flash
May 16 17:19:54 <Serdar> oO than flash system.img to rootfs
May 16 17:21:31 <Q-Master> I want it starting from uSD every time, but not only during install
May 16 17:23:01 <Serdar> no idea how that work
May 16 17:23:23 <Q-Master> It is now. it boots using qi from ext3 partition on my uSD card
May 16 17:23:32 <Q-Master> works very well
May 16 17:23:44 <Q-Master> except those issues
May 16 17:23:53 <Serdar> told you, no idea how that work, also I never saw a tutorial for that
May 16 17:24:32 <Q-Master> I've just unpacked the jffs2 image, copied it to ext3 and fixed paths in init.rc
May 16 17:25:11 <fletch> did u try koolu-cupcake-20090516.tar.bz2 now?
May 16 17:25:14 <fletch> hi btw :)
May 16 17:25:18 <Q-Master> BTW what is stored in ramdisk.img?
May 16 17:26:07 <Q-Master> fletch: I've dloaded it, but I DONT WANT to flash it to nand, but there is no possibility to unpack it to uSD card
May 16 17:27:40 <Q-Master> Serdar: can you explain me what and where is flashed during the install process?
May 16 17:27:46 <Serdar> I did it last night
May 16 17:28:22 <fletch> i just install it and there is alot that dont work
May 16 17:28:35 <fletch> i get an gsm signal, but i dont get calls
May 16 17:28:47 <Serdar> that's true
May 16 17:28:49 <fletch> no ringtones available
May 16 17:28:56 <fletch> no onscreenkeyboard
May 16 17:28:58 <Serdar> there are many issues
May 16 17:29:07 <Serdar> no suspend
May 16 17:29:18 <Serdar> no adb
May 16 17:29:25 <Serdar> or is adb possible for you?
May 16 17:30:10 <Serdar> jancona, there?
May 16 17:34:25 <jpwdsm> every now and then, I get a text that's just blank.  I see who its from and the time stamp, but the message body is blank.
May 16 17:40:34 <jancona> Hi Serdar
May 16 17:48:59 <Serdar> jancona, hi, do you know the answer for Q-Master?
May 16 17:51:43 <jancona> I think the ramdisk.img is the file system used at boot time. Beyond that, I don't know how to install the Koolu images to SD
May 16 17:52:43 <Q-Master> I suspect how to do so
May 16 17:53:17 <Q-Master> but I need yaffs2 loopback mounting info
May 16 17:57:48 <Serdar> gentoo?
May 16 17:58:20 <Serdar> sys-fs/yaffs2-utils
May 16 18:03:07 <Serdar> http://www.aleph1.co.uk/yaffs/
May 16 18:14:05 <johnsu01> Does anyone know what this application settings error is about on boot with Beta 6?
May 16 18:14:45 <johnsu01> it says that the settings application is not responding, and gives two options, force close or wait
May 16 18:15:10 <johnsu01> waiting just means it pops up again later, force close and things seem to work okay...
May 16 18:18:15 <Q-Master> Serdar: debian powerpc
May 16 18:18:23 <Serdar> hm
May 16 18:19:33 <Serdar> apt-cache search yaffs
May 16 18:19:35 <Serdar> maybe
May 16 18:19:45 <Serdar> but on powerpc hmm
May 16 18:20:20 <Q-Master> yep.
May 16 18:21:18 <Q-Master> nothing
May 16 18:21:20 <Q-Master> 8(
May 16 18:21:46 <Serdar> should I crosscompile?
May 16 18:21:54 <Q-Master> and the kernel module is not building due to WARNING: "put_mtd_device" [/home/qmaster/--/Neo/yaffs2/yaffs2.ko] undefined!
May 16 18:21:54 <Q-Master> WARNING: "get_mtd_device" [/home/qmaster/--/Neo/yaffs2/yaffs2.ko] undefined!
May 16 18:22:31 <Q-Master> seems that i need to rebuild the kernel. but i don't want to
May 16 18:22:47 <Serdar> really lazy
May 16 18:23:19 <Q-Master> Serdar: can you plz extract all the contents of system.img and userdata.img and just tar them?
May 16 18:23:47 <Q-Master> Serdar: When the android build would work of cource
May 16 18:24:28 <Q-Master> heh
May 16 18:24:45 <Q-Master> eurovision'll start in an less then a hour
May 16 18:25:03 <Serdar> I can tar out/target/product/freerunner/system
May 16 18:25:09 <Serdar> it started here :)
May 16 18:25:46 <Q-Master> and what about userdata.img? is it built also from there?
May 16 18:26:47 <Serdar> we got a stripper, I hope we get 12 points
May 16 18:26:48 <Serdar> :D
May 16 18:27:26 <Q-Master> I am sure that we will not win this time.
May 16 18:27:43 <Q-Master> Nastya Prihodko is good, but not best
May 16 18:30:03 <Serdar> btw. it's jffs2
May 16 18:30:17 <Q-Master> userdata??
May 16 18:30:45 <Serdar> that's tar
May 16 18:30:53 <Serdar> userdata.img: POSIX tar archive (GNU)
May 16 18:30:58 <Serdar> do you have file?
May 16 18:31:08 <Q-Master> shit
May 16 18:31:09 <Q-Master> 8)
May 16 18:32:02 <Q-Master> and what image is flashed as a kernel?
May 16 18:32:03 <Serdar> but I can't unpack hm
May 16 18:32:12 <Serdar> kernel.img
May 16 18:32:14 <Serdar> I guess
May 16 18:32:26 <Serdar> kernel.img: u-boot/PPCBoot image
May 16 18:32:59 <Serdar> android-info.txt:         ASCII text
May 16 18:32:59 <Serdar> clean_steps.mk:           ASCII text
May 16 18:32:59 <Serdar> data:                     directory
May 16 18:32:59 <Serdar> installed-files.txt:      ASCII text
May 16 18:32:59 <Serdar> kernel.img:               u-boot/PPCBoot image
May 16 18:33:00 <Serdar> obj:                      directory
May 16 18:33:02 <Serdar> previous_build_config.mk: ASCII text
May 16 18:33:04 <Serdar> ramdisk.img:              gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Fri May 15 22:54:53 2009
May 16 18:33:06 <Serdar> root:                     directory
May 16 18:33:08 <Serdar> symbols:                  directory
May 16 18:33:10 <Serdar> system:                   directory
May 16 18:33:12 <Serdar> system.img:               Linux jffs2 filesystem data little endian
May 16 18:33:14 <Serdar> userdata.img:             POSIX tar archive (GNU)
May 16 18:33:31 <Q-Master> I can't unpack it also
May 16 18:34:24 <Q-Master> heh. I've unpacked it
May 16 18:34:30 <Q-Master> just tar -xvf it
May 16 18:34:39 <Serdar> serdar@Fidestation ~/openmoko/dev3/out/target/product/freerunner $ tar xvf userdata.img
May 16 18:34:39 <Serdar> ./
May 16 18:34:45 <Serdar> there is NOTHING
May 16 18:34:51 <Q-Master> hehe
May 16 18:35:02 <Q-Master> rename it to userdata.tar 8)
May 16 18:35:30 <Serdar> I can put some programs thre I guess
May 16 18:38:46 <Q-Master> hm. seems that it is not tar, but cpio
May 16 18:38:58 <Q-Master> qmaster@Q-Masters:~/--/Neo$ cpio -t < userdata.img
May 16 18:38:58 <Q-Master> ./
May 16 18:38:58 <Q-Master> 2 blocks
May 16 19:00:33 * Q-Master gone watching to eurovision on tv
May 16 22:27:22 <Serdar> good night
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