**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 08 02:59:59 2009 Jul 08 07:40:16 serdar__, hi! is your git repo avail at the moment? Jul 08 07:56:47 nope Jul 08 07:59:04 didn't I tell, my server had a broken hardware Jul 08 13:33:12 sup 'droids Jul 08 13:34:15 heya Jul 08 13:38:01 has anyone had much success building their own and improved images? Jul 08 13:38:16 haven't seen anything new from koolu or panicking for quite a while now. Jul 08 13:39:26 nope, i couldn't build neither the one from serder nor the ones from koolu Jul 08 13:39:54 android is so way complicated with so many dependencies, i guess you need divine help or waay too much free time to be able to build it Jul 08 13:40:33 it seems like the community has just been left to build it on their own Jul 08 13:41:22 yea Jul 08 13:41:24 koolu has been typically quiet ... im hoping they don't take another 5 months to put something out. Jul 08 13:41:37 well, if it's any consolation, I'm cleaning up some source ... Jul 08 13:41:56 well, the thing is that i friggin' tried like 30 times to build both cupcake and koolu-1.0 and succeeded once iirc Jul 08 13:57:56 marcelo, that's cool. is there lots to do? Jul 08 13:58:40 I heard that google is not being open with cupcake... is that true? Jul 08 13:58:49 not *that* much, but last night I did make clean && make and guess what, it failed! :-D Jul 08 13:59:56 it sounds like they are developing it behind closed doors and merging back changes every once in a while Jul 08 14:00:04 google is having their own share of fun with (internally) switching from Perforce to Git, AFAIUI Jul 08 14:00:07 (just like other foss companies afaik) Jul 08 14:01:00 well, given the way most of the so-called android community behaves, I wouldn't be surprised if they see some advantage to that... Jul 08 14:01:01 damn, an organization of that size trying to switch anything is a disaster waiting to happen Jul 08 14:01:38 well, it's not *all* of Google, it's just the Android project Jul 08 14:01:56 which I'm given to understand has a respectable size, too Jul 08 14:02:55 er, so the 'community' here is not special in android world? Jul 08 14:03:15 AFAIK, Google doesn't behave like a traditional corporation in that sense, each project has a lot of leeway to choose what to use and how to use it Jul 08 14:04:55 soul9: if you observe for a while, the large part of the android community is a bunch of gimme-gimme-gimme people and when google does release something it's followed by it's broken-it's broken-it's broken bwaaaaaaawhahawhahahwaa! Jul 08 14:04:59 or something like that Jul 08 14:06:21 it's... let's say, not encouraging :-P Jul 08 14:06:32 heh Jul 08 14:06:45 well, i like what they did to java, that's awesome Jul 08 14:07:12 and i really like their system, it's really nice for a cell phone Jul 08 14:07:32 when i first heard it was written in java i was like: Jul 08 14:07:52 hey, an embedded os in java? wha? are these guys retarded or wtf?! Jul 08 14:08:07 but dalvik actually makes sense Jul 08 14:08:54 if you look around in the Google Developers' channel in youtube there's a very nice talk about dalvik Jul 08 14:09:52 and there's another one called android application framework or something like that Jul 08 14:09:54 yeah, i watched that Jul 08 14:10:05 hmm, i'm not sure i watched the second Jul 08 14:16:43 marcelo, is Brian still with koolu? Jul 08 14:25:30 yep Jul 08 14:35:16 probably more productive for Brian to not be on irc Jul 08 14:35:16 haha Jul 08 15:03:49 re Jul 08 15:04:07 soul9, symbian is java as well iirc Jul 08 15:04:38 I will rebuild my git and try to understand android more than Jul 08 15:06:20 I thought panicking will come back today, so we will look at both koolu-cupcake and our repo and merge them to a new one Jul 08 15:29:52 wtf? symbian is java too? Jul 08 15:30:03 and how do they manage to get any performance out of it at all? Jul 08 16:04:30 re Jul 08 16:40:49 hi stefan **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 09 02:59:56 2009