**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 02 02:59:57 2009 Aug 02 14:07:03 hello serdar__ Aug 02 15:15:35 looks like new koolu-cupcake compiles nicely and seems very usable Aug 02 15:15:36 even more so than panicking's ones Aug 02 15:16:42 which one? Aug 02 15:17:35 cupcake-1.5-alpha1? Aug 02 15:19:53 soul9: is it faster than the ones before? Aug 02 15:20:31 i don't know Aug 02 15:20:36 checked out -b coolu Aug 02 15:20:39 er Aug 02 15:20:41 -b cupcake Aug 02 15:20:44 and compiled Aug 02 15:20:51 from something like 2 days ago Aug 02 15:21:08 is it fast enough? Aug 02 15:21:21 should be very close to the 1.5r3, i saw the tag appear today, bit not many other objects (except in external projects) Aug 02 15:21:28 it's fast enough (for me) Aug 02 15:21:31 very much usable Aug 02 15:21:46 it also locks the screen when it goes to sleep Aug 02 15:21:52 can receive and emit calls Aug 02 15:21:54 wifi works Aug 02 15:22:06 then i have to wait for an image Aug 02 15:22:08 the aux button eld for long time pops up app switcher Aug 02 15:22:20 BluesLee: i'll put it up for ya if ya want Aug 02 15:22:25 kernel + image Aug 02 15:22:28 what about audio qualtiy? Aug 02 15:22:35 ∀irly good Aug 02 15:22:36 okay, i would try it Aug 02 15:22:41 the speaker doesn't work tho : Aug 02 15:22:43 :( Aug 02 15:22:49 i mean the loudspeaker Aug 02 15:22:54 okay Aug 02 15:22:55 i don't know why but it doesn't work Aug 02 15:23:42 the volume was much to low on all android images Aug 02 15:24:04 i tried panickings image yesterday Aug 02 15:24:12 and it was a little bit too slow Aug 02 15:24:21 especially when using the kbd Aug 02 15:24:25 http://moko.soul9.org/android/kernel.img and http://moko.soul9.org/android/system.img Aug 02 15:24:40 og, it's pretty much the same speed as panickings, no real improvements there... Aug 02 15:24:49 the moko is a slow phone, really.. Aug 02 15:25:06 soul9, you hate me do you :/ Aug 02 15:25:23 git.koolu.org still not work here :/ Aug 02 15:25:31 er? Aug 02 15:25:36 serdar__: i hate you? Aug 02 15:25:37 why? Aug 02 15:25:40 it doesn't? Aug 02 15:25:44 rem, works fine here! Aug 02 15:26:00 saying something like the code is nice and I can't fetch it. Aug 02 15:26:11 (check with your isp?) Aug 02 15:26:13 haha Aug 02 15:27:10 hmmm Aug 02 15:27:24 yeah, git.koolu.org doesn't seem to work Aug 02 15:27:30 dunno, git access works though Aug 02 15:27:38 ah, no Aug 02 15:27:40 it does work Aug 02 15:27:43 it works fine Aug 02 15:27:54 koolu.org works fine here Aug 02 15:28:06 git.koolu.org works? Aug 02 15:28:09 but git.koolu.org and trac.koolu.org doesn't Aug 02 15:28:15 if it doesn't check with your isp, it works fine here Aug 02 15:28:25 yeah, you need to have a chat with your isp! Aug 02 15:28:47 I tried and I hate them. Aug 02 15:29:07 so what do they say? Aug 02 15:29:11 does it resolve at all? Aug 02 15:29:26 (if not it may be a problem with your dns) Aug 02 15:29:35 it is some kind of Aug 02 15:29:44 because I tried tracerout Aug 02 15:29:45 e Aug 02 15:29:48 soul9: your kernel has an issue Aug 02 15:29:51 Starting download: [############dfu_download error -110 Aug 02 15:29:55 BluesLee: why? Aug 02 15:29:58 no it doesn't Aug 02 15:30:05 that's your problem, it works fine Aug 02 15:30:07 oh, here Aug 02 15:30:08 BluesLee, you made an error :) Aug 02 15:30:11 lemme put up some md5sums Aug 02 15:30:20 that would be fine Aug 02 15:30:31 what's your line? Aug 02 15:30:52 657ccd32956b3f41504760aad75fd102 system.img Aug 02 15:30:53 http://moko.soul9.org/android/sha1sums Aug 02 15:31:06 (it's sha1sums and not md5, md5 sucks) Aug 02 15:31:29 no I mean your shellline for flashing Aug 02 15:31:51 you are right Aug 02 15:32:00 sha1 oO try whirlpool I like that because I told a seminar about it :) Aug 02 15:32:04 i used system.img for flashing the kernel Aug 02 15:32:04 and if the file had an error it would flash fine Aug 02 15:32:07 now i see Aug 02 15:32:07 it would just not boot Aug 02 15:32:10 heh Aug 02 15:32:21 * serdar__ slaps BluesLee with a win 7 dvd Aug 02 15:32:31 I hope that hurt! Aug 02 15:32:35 serdar__: so git.koolu.org resolves, but packets get lost somewhere? Aug 02 15:32:51 no, wait I show you it Aug 02 15:33:04 I get lost Aug 02 15:33:23 http://pastebin.com/m695388f2 Aug 02 15:33:51 yep Aug 02 15:33:55 the packets get lost Aug 02 15:34:07 soul9: do they fixed abscence of russian? When I've tried to install the koolu one last time there were no russian language at all. Panicking does Aug 02 15:34:09 do you have a server somewhere? Aug 02 15:34:18 Q-Master: lemme see Aug 02 15:34:22 yes serdar-dere.net and it works there fine Aug 02 15:34:32 serdar__: so use an ssh tunnel :p Aug 02 15:34:47 just do ssh -D thelocalportyouwant yourserver.tld Aug 02 15:35:01 you mean socks5 Aug 02 15:35:02 then use localhost:thelocalportyouwant as a socks proxy Aug 02 15:35:04 yes Aug 02 15:35:35 I would prefer a solution that does not involves server traffic :/ Aug 02 15:35:42 well Aug 02 15:35:46 then sue your isp ;) Aug 02 15:36:01 you have some nuclear weapon? Aug 02 15:36:21 Q-Master: yups, it's in there Aug 02 15:36:32 (not in alphabetical order for some weird reason) Aug 02 15:36:38 heh Aug 02 15:36:47 serdar__: yeah, 5megaton tactical nuke Aug 02 15:36:50 need one? Aug 02 15:37:04 * soul9 hides from the NSA from now on on terrorist watchlist Aug 02 15:37:09 I take all 5 Aug 02 15:37:57 i know what you are going through, though, i have been having serious problems with my isp myself Aug 02 15:38:07 bunch of lazy retards is what they are Aug 02 15:38:25 and the support...well...it's like talking to a computer Aug 02 15:38:31 no only one is for my isp. Aug 02 15:38:37 heh Aug 02 15:39:04 I want solve other problems and 5 are not that much :/ Aug 02 15:39:37 the thing is that i think the earth is about 5 nukes away from nuclear winter... Aug 02 15:39:45 maybe even less Aug 02 15:39:58 nuclear winter == most of life wiped out due to radiations Aug 02 15:40:50 thank god people with the nukes know this.. Aug 02 15:41:11 and you think that will hinder them to use it? Aug 02 15:41:21 well, i'm off for a little while, c ya guys Aug 02 15:41:32 serdar__: they want to survive as much as anyone else, you know Aug 02 15:41:51 radiation doesn't select, unlike death squads, maffia and police Aug 02 15:42:48 people who owns this kind of weapons may have a way to get off this planet :) Aug 02 15:42:48 though i think some might be just crazy enough to put the planet in jeopardy Aug 02 15:42:53 like North Korea Aug 02 15:43:01 heh, i don't think so Aug 02 15:43:20 not untill they can get a working toilet out to space and shit like that Aug 02 15:43:40 also, humans do not survive long without gravitation Aug 02 15:44:21 anyways, gotta go Aug 02 15:44:22 c ya Aug 02 15:44:24 adios Aug 02 15:47:39 partition 2 on the sd has to ext2 or ext3 formatted for android? Aug 02 15:48:34 take ext3 Aug 02 15:49:12 i only see the koolu logo for some minutes now Aug 02 15:49:21 with the image of soul9 Aug 02 15:51:38 try this Aug 02 15:52:37 http://koolu.org/releases/cupcake-1.5-alpha1/android-freerunner-koolu1.5-alpha-1.tar.gz Aug 02 15:52:43 remove kernel.img Aug 02 15:52:47 remove system.img Aug 02 15:52:58 thats the old one Aug 02 15:53:00 put these from soul9 Aug 02 15:53:06 ahh Aug 02 15:53:08 okay Aug 02 15:53:21 than put that on your disk, I guess it's vfat Aug 02 15:53:27 i am trying to flash them with dfu-util Aug 02 15:53:50 should also work i guess Aug 02 15:54:09 heit doesnt Aug 02 16:04:37 does it work now BluesLee ? Aug 02 16:04:59 no Aug 02 16:05:17 i putted all the files on fat partition Aug 02 16:05:31 it only shows me the logo Aug 02 16:06:18 did you went in nor and used boot from sd? Aug 02 16:06:23 yes Aug 02 16:07:15 hm that's strange it works here to the android splash now Aug 02 16:07:57 I'm in Aug 02 16:08:11 and it works without Sim card Aug 02 16:08:55 without sim? Aug 02 16:09:00 yes Aug 02 16:09:06 i need the sim Aug 02 16:09:07 :-) Aug 02 16:09:37 yes, but it must work without sim aswell and that didn't work with panickings image Aug 02 16:09:55 for me panickings images worked well Aug 02 16:10:19 did you tried the images of soul9? Aug 02 16:10:24 yes Aug 02 16:10:28 that's what I am doing now Aug 02 16:10:42 you replaced the kernel + uimages? Aug 02 16:10:47 and system Aug 02 16:10:54 no Aug 02 16:11:06 I only replaced kernel.img and system.img Aug 02 16:11:22 then it will take the older kernel Aug 02 16:11:50 kernel + uimage should be the same Aug 02 16:12:28 i will reflash shr Aug 02 16:13:26 serdar__: do you own and android phone? Aug 02 16:14:30 I nope Aug 02 16:14:44 you seem to be used to android Aug 02 16:14:55 i would buy the hero and be happy Aug 02 16:14:57 :-) Aug 02 16:15:19 instead of porting/running android on the neo Aug 02 16:15:21 nah, where is the challenge? Aug 02 16:16:00 maybe its not only the challenge also waste of time Aug 02 16:16:13 for instance for me Aug 02 16:16:28 today i tried to opkg upgrade Aug 02 16:16:42 and an android image Aug 02 16:16:48 both didnt worked well Aug 02 16:16:56 sounds fun Aug 02 16:16:58 5-6 hours for nothing Aug 02 16:17:09 nothing? Aug 02 16:17:13 and i am not a develeoper Aug 02 16:17:19 you know, that both don't work well Aug 02 16:17:28 and knowledge is real Aug 02 16:17:30 not before i started Aug 02 16:17:41 andnow you know it Aug 02 16:18:06 yes i will avoid opkg upgrade in the next weeks Aug 02 16:18:19 and i will wait for the next kkolu cupcake Aug 02 16:19:19 hm Aug 02 16:20:41 how many android apps did you installed? Aug 02 16:20:57 nothing, only basic Aug 02 16:36:56 i don't understand why you bought a freerunner then⋯ Aug 02 16:37:27 i mean, i exactly knew (also, i was warned by people on irc and on the web) that the freerunner was not a completely functiona phone Aug 02 16:37:35 me? Aug 02 16:37:38 so why buy one when you could've gotten the G1? Aug 02 16:37:46 yes. Aug 02 16:38:06 i bought it end of june 2008 Aug 02 16:38:23 when it came out.. Aug 02 16:38:29 yes Aug 02 16:38:30 eh, well, there you go. Aug 02 16:38:52 i mean Aug 02 16:39:07 if i would deeply be interested in android Aug 02 16:39:20 i would buy me an htc or whatever Aug 02 16:42:24 hmm Aug 02 16:43:17 that's not the point Aug 02 16:43:24 you say you are not a developper Aug 02 16:43:46 but you complain because you bought a phone specifically made for developpers. Aug 02 16:44:21 no soul9 Aug 02 16:44:35 that was not the case Aug 02 16:44:46 what was? Aug 02 16:45:08 18:17 BluesLee: and i am not a develeoper Aug 02 16:45:11 the phone was advertised with "mass market" agruments Aug 02 16:45:24 advertised? really? are you serious? Aug 02 16:45:29 where did you see an ad? Aug 02 16:45:46 i sure as hall didn't see one ad about the freerunner. ever. Aug 02 16:45:53 hell* Aug 02 16:46:09 Openmoko's Open Source Phone Goes Mass-Market Aug 02 16:46:18 you are right Aug 02 16:46:21 oO Aug 02 16:46:23 yes, so? Aug 02 16:46:29 developpers are one market you know Aug 02 16:46:38 oh well Aug 02 16:46:40 and mass :D Aug 02 16:46:45 yes Aug 02 16:46:55 yeah, especially since java and xml came out Aug 02 16:47:55 anyways, i simply wouldn't complain. Maybe try to sell it to someone who'd be interested, or simply buying a different phone and giving the FR away or something. it's unlucky, but eh, it happens that you buy something by mistake. Aug 02 16:48:10 I will buy me a second phone and use FR as developer phone as it mentioned Aug 02 16:48:38 i have a 10€ phone that wrks perfectly well, and then use the moko Aug 02 16:49:03 i know that arguments soul9 Aug 02 16:49:23 I will buy one for 25EURs from a friend it's a ciphone Aug 02 16:49:47 BluesLee: yeah, i bet you get that a lot, especially if you complain :-/ Aug 02 16:49:56 besides all positive arguments Aug 02 16:50:14 i said it in another channel Aug 02 16:50:36 imagine the phone would have less hw bugs Aug 02 16:50:42 yes Aug 02 16:50:45 i remember the gps fix one Aug 02 16:50:49 the buzz Aug 02 16:50:49 very true, the hardware is pretty crap Aug 02 16:50:51 the bass Aug 02 16:50:57 slow crappy hardware Aug 02 16:50:58 so? Aug 02 16:50:59 and #1024 Aug 02 16:51:03 only a list Aug 02 16:51:06 still, it's open. Aug 02 16:51:21 so developpers can play to their liking with it Aug 02 16:51:27 it even makes it more exciting Aug 02 16:51:31 except the glamo Aug 02 16:51:41 whatever Aug 02 16:51:51 glamo? Aug 02 16:52:04 what with it? it's probably the worst part Aug 02 16:52:06 well, anyways Aug 02 16:52:20 i saw the announcment of the openmoko quite a few years back Aug 02 16:52:29 and was drooling all over it for quite a while Aug 02 16:52:32 did you guys tried haiku-os? Aug 02 16:52:37 the idea was unique Aug 02 16:52:42 at the time Aug 02 16:52:52 then apple stole the idea for the eyephone Aug 02 16:53:14 yes, i know some apps personally and for them the freerunner was/is a dream Aug 02 16:53:37 serdar__: haiku? Aug 02 16:53:43 yes Aug 02 16:53:52 it's a truly innovative project, that suffered from non-funding. this way apple came out in a few months with something better than what we have still. Aug 02 16:53:53 a successor of beos Aug 02 16:54:11 still, the idea was the most important, and it was stolen without any regards whatsoever Aug 02 16:54:18 no, haven't tried haiku Aug 02 16:54:49 i don't really see the point in it Aug 02 16:54:49 what idea? Aug 02 16:55:03 what can you steal from a open source phone? Aug 02 16:55:19 the idea of a phone with just a big touchscreen, wifi-enabled, with accelerometers and GPS Aug 02 16:55:36 hmmm Aug 02 16:55:41 all these were first written down on openmoko wiki, way before apple even thought of an eyehpone Aug 02 16:56:03 the prior htc phones had this aspects Aug 02 16:56:18 except the accelerometers Aug 02 16:56:40 there was no htc brand when openmoko was founded Aug 02 16:56:40 a zaurus had all this features Aug 02 16:56:46 what do you mean with "eyephone" and what's with stealing it's open Aug 02 16:56:49 zaurus? Aug 02 16:56:53 gpl? Aug 02 16:56:56 8 years ago with a gps card Aug 02 16:57:28 sure, all kind of debian system on the zaurus Aug 02 16:57:35 pdaxrom for instance Aug 02 16:57:48 serdar__: stealing intellectual property to make profit, without any retribution is stealing for me. even if legally it isn't Aug 02 16:58:09 anyways Aug 02 16:58:19 BluesLee: oh yes? it had all of these together? Aug 02 16:58:31 http://www.solomobi.com/viewproduct.asp?pro_id=2887 Aug 02 16:58:33 except acc Aug 02 16:58:56 soul9: you had to use gps with a gps cf card Aug 02 16:58:59 accelerometre, touchscreen, gps, GSM? Aug 02 16:59:04 see Aug 02 16:59:25 no, it was an innovative idea. and best of all they wanted to make it open. Aug 02 16:59:26 soul9: i had a tosa with build in wifi, it was the best gameboy ever with emulators Aug 02 17:00:27 and the first iphone had no gps Aug 02 17:00:34 or? Aug 02 17:00:39 BluesLee: at this rate you can say the PC has all of this, just plug in a gps, a touchscreen, an accelerometre and a GSM chip to usb and you have your moko Aug 02 17:00:42 but it's not the same Aug 02 17:00:51 no it didn't Aug 02 17:00:53 i don't think Aug 02 17:01:23 BluesLee: sorry, this is a pretty pointless conversation..heh Aug 02 17:01:30 yes Aug 02 17:01:32 :-) Aug 02 17:02:02 serdar__: that's the eyephone, yes Aug 02 17:02:09 no? Aug 02 17:02:11 one has to accept apples eyephone Aug 02 17:02:37 though i would by me one Aug 02 17:02:41 ^nt Aug 02 17:02:46 ^buy Aug 02 17:02:49 hehe Aug 02 17:02:56 soul9, no it isn't Aug 02 17:03:02 soul9, you fell for it :D Aug 02 17:03:04 oh, never, me either Aug 02 17:03:12 rather an htc something with android on it Aug 02 17:03:20 at least they have to open the hardware =) Aug 02 17:03:22 that is something that looks like iphone Aug 02 17:03:37 oh? heh Aug 02 17:04:10 the whole apple thing is a joke to me anyways Aug 02 17:04:37 this is cool http://www.solomobi.com/pic/iphone%20V802/03.jpg Aug 02 17:04:56 honestly i also dont like their politics Aug 02 17:05:03 http://www.theonion.com/content/news/apple_claims_new_iphone_only?utm_source=a-section Aug 02 17:05:12 but they sell the device like bread Aug 02 17:05:46 WTF??? Aug 02 17:05:55 WEEE TEEE EFFF? Aug 02 17:06:06 serdar__: are you taking it seriously? Aug 02 17:06:08 lol Aug 02 17:06:14 no Aug 02 17:06:17 ok Aug 02 17:06:18 :D Aug 02 17:06:22 it's hilarious Aug 02 17:06:35 but don't take it seriously :D Aug 02 17:06:36 but this is the best I seen Aug 02 17:06:52 after i-pott german mention of toilett = pott Aug 02 17:06:59 haha Aug 02 17:07:29 and the iBall (eye-ball?) Aug 02 17:07:47 but is this a real stupid idea or only a stupid stupid idea? Aug 02 17:08:45 er? Aug 02 17:09:06 it's a made up news story Aug 02 17:09:22 it does have relevance, but only in the pun way, not reality Aug 02 17:09:46 the onion is great for that Aug 02 17:09:54 the problem is, that I beleave in the stupidity of the mankind so I am not surprised that this is a real idea. Aug 02 17:10:39 oh! well, do you know the story of the emperor's new clothes? Aug 02 17:10:42 hmm is onion like titanic-magazine? Aug 02 17:10:51 i don't know the titanic Aug 02 17:11:29 soul9, yes it's a german fairy tale Aug 02 17:11:43 yes. well, this is modeled after that ;) Aug 02 17:11:53 I thought so Aug 02 17:13:12 i think the fairytale is pretty global at this point Aug 02 17:13:19 dunno where it comes from originally tho Aug 02 17:14:08 it's written from grimm brothers Aug 02 17:14:46 ah! Aug 02 17:14:55 yes, that's right, now i remember Aug 02 17:15:45 they only collect them, it's not sure, that these are german. Aug 02 17:19:48 all Aug 02 17:20:17 soul9, your image works without a sim card Aug 02 17:21:26 yeah, the koolu image is more usaable than panicking one Aug 02 17:21:31 at least this latest one Aug 02 17:21:39 also looks like they started working on donut!! Aug 02 17:22:23 hm Aug 02 17:22:35 the keyboard is very slow Aug 02 17:23:53 it is Aug 02 17:24:01 it's generally pretty slow Aug 02 17:24:06 maybe some kernel problem Aug 02 17:24:14 i'd try with panicking's kernel, actually Aug 02 17:28:21 hmm Aug 02 17:28:39 gotta make dinner tho Aug 02 17:28:43 =) Aug 02 17:29:07 good appetit Aug 02 17:29:18 thx Aug 02 18:11:17 hm Aug 02 18:12:29 soul9, do you have activated logging with your irc client? Aug 02 19:04:44 hey guys is disabling pin still necessary for android images? Aug 02 19:41:48 soul9, there? Aug 02 20:30:32 brumm Aug 02 20:36:28 upsi Aug 02 20:36:51 I forgot the unlock pattern :D Aug 02 20:38:31 serdar: hold it up to the light and look for your finger grease pattern ;) Aug 02 20:44:32 :O Aug 02 21:32:26 Hi guys. Would this be the right place to ask for help with installing android on my freerunner? Aug 02 21:50:09 hmm Aug 02 22:03:02 hmm? Aug 02 22:20:03 hmm! Aug 02 23:16:42 I think how much important this will be... http://pastebin.com/m60d6223b Aug 02 23:25:39 m2, there? Aug 02 23:29:12 m2, is it possible, that sensors_freerunner.c needs more improvement? Aug 02 23:29:45 static int control_set_delay(struct sensors_control_device_t *dev, int32_t ms) for example Aug 02 23:29:56 there is no need for dev Aug 02 23:30:55 there are many dev's which are not used Aug 02 23:49:21 serdar: i have Aug 02 23:50:45 ColdFyre, you have what? Aug 02 23:51:12 soul9, do you have activated logging with your irc client? Aug 02 23:52:21 ah, I need the lines from someone who told me how to use eth1 with 192.168.0.200 Aug 02 23:54:40