**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 05 03:00:04 2018 Mar 05 06:05:57 There are reports that the serial numbers are all the same (0123456789ABCDEF) https://twitter.com/komecha/status/970512034742677504 Mar 05 06:06:19 maybe there is one on a sticker somewhere instead ? Mar 05 06:53:43 https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/ubuntu-touch-q-a-24-97 Mar 05 06:53:50 "How usable is Xenial if I want to work hard on Gemini PDA port? (54:22)" Mar 05 06:54:08 ^ near the bottom of the post Mar 05 07:09:41 according to some jp device owners, there is no sticker with a serial number to be found, not on or under the battery Mar 05 07:10:11 the serial number issue has been posted now on the indigogo comments too Mar 05 07:14:00 The next update is going to be a doozie, that's for sure Mar 05 07:18:27 ah, looking at the full dmseg, the serial number is actually set as a boot parameter in the kernel : androidboot.serialno=0123456789ABCDEF Mar 05 07:24:20 but there must be a serial number sticker, can someone confirm ? I doubt this device could be certified without one Mar 05 07:27:00 I think you can get devices certified without one if you have serial numbers on the communications chips. Mar 05 07:27:39 (I had prototype thinkpad for years with serialnumber 1234-DEMO or something.) Mar 05 07:27:50 razumihin : possibly, but should then not this be queried from the chip and displayed in the OS ? a kernel update may fix that Mar 05 07:29:06 I'm not sure, if you've got the root try looking at the communication device info. I don't think that it needs to show it to the user anyway. Mar 05 07:29:25 Also the phone application will probably show the IMEI of the device. Mar 05 07:29:38 I do not have the device yet unfortunately Mar 05 07:29:51 just a full dmesg log from a early developer unit Mar 05 07:30:06 *#06# is the default way of querying that out of the gsm chop. Mar 05 07:30:07 true about the IMEI but that is only on the 4G models I assume Mar 05 07:30:55 Well, truth is that i'm positively suprised how little people are finding things to nag about in gemini :) Mar 05 07:31:40 I guess some of them are not nagging, just reporting it. Mar 05 07:32:07 I can relate to the situation where a super small firm is creating complicated hardware with minimal budget and time. Mar 05 07:32:32 Yeah, true. Mar 05 07:32:56 Considering this, they had limited time and resources to do extensive beta testing and troubleshooting Mar 05 07:32:59 I'm on low 2000's on the waiting list and pretty happy if i get a device that's similar to first backers. Mar 05 07:33:46 Yeah, they had pretty much zero time and resources. Mar 05 07:35:33 and now the testing and reporting of issues is obviously a task for the early backers. It will help to improve the next batch. Mar 05 07:35:48 I'm not sure how android handles serial numbers. My car radio is some chinese android thingie and it shows up as rk30sdk in google listings. Mar 05 07:36:16 Yeah, being a backer is being the beta tester :) Mar 05 07:36:23 I assume the kernel can read it from a register on the SoC somewhere ? I am not too sure myself. Mar 05 07:36:47 Yeah, I would think that the mediatek SoC would have a proper serial in gemini. Mar 05 07:38:23 I think there is, also I would assume there is a sticker somewhere. Maybe just on the box. Mar 05 07:39:43 Yeah, as a old nokia user i'd thought that they'd put the sticker inside the top cover, but the box is maybe easier to access. Mar 05 07:40:31 I think communicators had the sticker under the battery. Mar 05 07:40:46 pretty sure you have to have a serial number visible on the device itself Mar 05 07:41:39 .. for CE certification Mar 05 07:42:01 You don't need any certification for CE :) Mar 05 07:42:25 (Ref. i've created CE devices) Mar 05 07:42:58 :) Mar 05 07:43:42 It's a really shady that it is so trusted as a certificate. It mostly means that the people who made the device think that the device is safe. Mar 05 07:43:48 fair enough, I'm usually off on some fire-fighting project by the time final cert and production comes around Mar 05 07:44:09 :) Mar 05 07:44:27 cowboycoder: did you not get yours already ? Does it have a serial somewhere on a sticker or elsewhere ? Mar 05 07:44:49 ..just remember that the last consumer product I worked on, there was a fuss about how big the serial number had to be printed on the device... Mar 05 07:45:29 @greguu not that I've seen Mar 05 07:45:39 not that I've looked either mind Mar 05 07:45:59 can confirm the bogus serial # issue, noticed that myself last night Mar 05 07:46:02 I think it might be in the about menu on android. Mar 05 07:46:13 IMEI is ok though Mar 05 07:46:30 well, the android one is set by a kernel parameter Mar 05 07:46:36 Oh, true. Mar 05 07:46:37 yeah, it shows there. I spotted it with 'adb devices' Mar 05 07:47:09 what about battery or back cover inside ? Mar 05 07:48:46 I guess there is always the WiFi MAC that can identify a device, too Mar 05 07:50:25 don't have the case-lever to hand, atm Mar 05 07:53:02 ok, I does actually have one : http://www.dream-seed.com/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/2018-02-20-17.24.14.jpg Mar 05 07:54:04 top sticker Mar 05 07:54:41 I guess it is just a software issue people have to live with. Mar 05 07:56:04 Yeah, they might fix it in a update. Mar 05 07:56:17 If the serial is somewhere in the SoC too. Mar 05 07:56:38 some demo models may have none : https://notebookitalia.it/images/stories/gemini_pda_live/gemini_pda_1.jpg Mar 05 07:58:18 lol Mar 05 07:58:27 this is actually a know issue https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/help/how-fix-change-serial-0123456789abcdef-t3458881 Mar 05 08:02:13 I _guess_ it is more expensive to have a SoC serial set and cheaper to just have a label printed. Mar 05 08:02:59 I think it's just shitty coders doing a shitty job at mediatek :) Mar 05 08:03:23 +1 Mar 05 08:04:08 Does android even use the serial in any meaningful way? Mar 05 08:04:36 well there are implications if the serial is the same and you own multiple devices Mar 05 08:06:43 interesting : https://stackoverflow.com/questions/23894127/how-to-change-default-device-id-0123456789abcdef-with-eclipse-or-adt Mar 05 08:07:15 "Is that normal that two phones to have the same serial number?" Mar 05 08:07:23 "The purpose of the serial number is to uniquely identify the device, so they should be different. That being said, some manufacturers don't bother. It's also possible that the firmware is reporting the number incorrectly." Mar 05 08:08:14 if there is a sticker, really the software serial does not matter that much Mar 05 08:08:29 unless you are a android developer and have multiple devices Mar 05 08:08:44 and there are workarounds for these scenarios Mar 05 08:10:18 still, it would make a better impression if the serial would be shown in the OS Mar 05 08:10:37 it think we can burry this topic " Mar 05 08:12:29 another little v1 niggle Mar 05 08:13:11 yes, add it to the list. A wiki would be good for that. Mar 05 08:14:42 people will come back an ask again the same question.. Mar 05 10:31:11 Getting a bit ridiculous now Mar 05 10:32:09 Reports on fb with same serial number Mar 05 10:33:46 As in same sticker serial number? Mar 05 10:34:58 Dunno check fb page 0123456789abcdef as serial number confirmed by a couple so far Mar 05 10:35:17 He did not post a picture rather a post Mar 05 10:35:30 this is why you never say to a chinese contractor "you put serial number in format 0123456789abcdef to the device" Mar 05 10:36:40 Oh, yeah, if you mean the Android reported serial number then mine is 0123456789abcdef as well. Mar 05 10:37:33 Is that normal? Mar 05 10:47:23 it looks like all the 1st batch have the same 'placeholder' serial number Mar 05 10:47:57 It's almost as if the factory were rushing to meet a deadline! Mar 05 10:48:19 :) yeah Mar 05 10:50:06 the serial number won't affect anything. we had a batch of usb bluetooth adapters which all had same mac address, that was more serious failure. Mar 05 10:51:08 good point - although I can't imagine this is their first rodeo! When customers approached my late father (who was a printer) for something like raffle tickets or numbered invoices, they would have said: "The serial numbers should be in the format 000001" - and he would have known that they meant that the numbers should 'advance' every time...not stay the same static number! Mar 05 10:51:08 Macchanger -m 😂 Mar 05 10:52:27 steve-marinos: No, I don't think serial numbers being the same is normal but it's surprisingly common. Mar 05 10:52:38 canny[m]: asians tend to do things literally, it's a cultural thing Mar 05 10:54:04 cos-: true, true...one can't assume (as the old saying goes...) Mar 05 11:01:43 I wonder if we'll see an update today. Mar 05 11:18:15 OESF Portal Gemini PDA - Android OS posted a new article: Serial number ( │ labourlawyer[m] Mar 05 11:18:17 │ | https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=34804 ) Mar 05 11:18:56 Guess they will need to sort things and organize their priorities before any new announcements Mar 05 12:38:26 anyone know if android on the device can be rooted? Mar 05 12:39:05 Yeah, we can reflash so rooting is at worst a case of injecting the su binary into the system fs image and reflashing it. Mar 05 17:08:42 my gemini is out for delivery finally Mar 05 17:08:45 been a long road over a year :) Mar 05 17:08:56 serp_, congrats mate Mar 05 17:09:36 and now it's christmas time :) Mar 05 17:09:40 wait for santa Mar 05 17:10:13 pretty excited hoping no problems :) Mar 05 17:10:28 UPS has a nice tracking map where it shows where the truck is Mar 05 17:10:35 PC is still quiet right ? Mar 05 17:10:58 serp_, that's great now smash that refresh button lol Mar 05 17:11:18 it auto updates. the truck is in the next neighborhood over Mar 05 17:12:53 looks like he has now stopped for a starbucks :( Mar 05 17:12:59 the thrills :D Mar 05 17:13:14 hahahaha or asking directions maybe :) Mar 05 17:13:31 my orded is still "placed" Mar 05 17:13:36 go and meet him at the neighborhood Mar 05 17:13:56 when did you order akik? Mar 05 17:13:59 have a coffee with him at starbucks as you unbox your delivery :D Mar 05 17:14:06 serp_: august 2017 Mar 05 17:14:19 are you in the 2nd batch? Mar 05 17:14:31 serp_: how do i know which batch? Mar 05 17:14:33 with my luck he would have left and then i will get a notioce saying nobody home Mar 05 17:14:38 order number Mar 05 17:14:43 less than 1000 is 1st batch Mar 05 17:14:49 22xx Mar 05 17:14:59 i was order 2xx placed in feb 2017 Mar 05 17:15:01 Next delayed batch it seems :P Mar 05 17:15:32 next delayed batch may have the correct processor Mar 05 17:15:40 and the usb ports may be less flaky Mar 05 17:15:43 I got twice your order number akik Mar 05 17:15:47 you will probably get yours later this month Mar 05 17:16:19 and most importantly x27 cpu and a correct serial number Mar 05 17:16:25 serp_: me? Mar 05 17:16:30 yea Mar 05 17:16:39 ok Mar 05 17:16:43 i wonder if they stopped production to fix issues Mar 05 17:16:51 or they are going to go through all the parts Mar 05 17:17:59 serp_, I guess they got a lot on the agenda, and the factory error"s" are extras and crucial Mar 05 17:18:31 i wonder if they will sell the upgraded boards to existing owners Mar 05 17:18:37 looks pretty easy to take apart and upgrade from thet pics Mar 05 17:19:35 The big plan would be how to satisfy the 1st backers Mar 05 17:20:20 pointing fingers 1st batch backers that is Mar 05 17:21:07 omg forget the pointing finger part Mar 05 17:21:11 ignore i said Mar 05 17:21:13 :) Mar 05 17:22:01 i thikn just instruction on how to swap out board and sell board for cost price Mar 05 17:22:02 is enough Mar 05 17:22:46 you mean they send new boards with CPU for backers for a swap? Mar 05 17:22:56 yes Mar 05 17:23:21 i would pay extra also for native HDMI support from USB-C Mar 05 17:23:24 and what the backers do with the replaced one? send it back to PC? Mar 05 17:23:36 serp_: is this fact or fiction? Mar 05 17:23:53 akik just idea about how to satisfy early backers Mar 05 17:24:03 akik, true story :P Mar 05 17:24:05 yea send back to PC but may not be worth to ship back Mar 05 17:24:09 we are buying the board Mar 05 17:24:13 so why send back old board? Mar 05 17:24:31 serp_, interesting :) Mar 05 17:24:53 to my knowledge nothing wrong with the board :) Mar 05 17:25:37 and what you are saying here is the fact that backers will have to assemble everything Mar 05 17:26:20 it looks easy to swap out Mar 05 17:26:29 take off back remove board put new board in Mar 05 17:26:38 screen w ill be different issue Mar 05 17:27:12 some might not be as hardware as you might think, adding that as a backer or customer or whatever I wouldn't wanna take that risk and if anything went wrong I will be the one to blame on my expenses Mar 05 17:27:48 If out of UK where do you send for warranty Mar 05 17:27:50 back to planet?" Mar 05 17:28:09 so far it seems so Mar 05 17:28:49 for GPD you h ave to send internationally to china Mar 05 17:28:51 huge hassle Mar 05 17:28:57 then takes forever to go through customs etc Mar 05 17:29:01 expensive to ship international Mar 05 17:29:07 could be the same who knows Mar 05 17:29:48 and so far i think it is too early, and between i never seen a warranty disclaimer on the gemini Mar 05 17:29:54 it is still in beta Mar 05 17:30:05 for what we are experiencing lately Mar 05 17:30:20 any n ew issue Mar 05 17:30:28 other than keyboard, and usb? Mar 05 17:30:44 serial number 123456789abcde.... Mar 05 17:30:55 haah not worried about that Mar 05 17:31:01 for multiple users Mar 05 17:31:40 they can send stickers later Mar 05 17:31:42 actually the list is adding up Mar 05 17:31:43 to put on unit Mar 05 17:31:52 it is not a sticker issue Mar 05 17:33:17 PC should bring assembly back to UK Mar 05 17:33:19 to fix all issue Mar 05 17:33:21 steve-marinos: i read it's a android boot parameter where it's set Mar 05 17:33:39 akik if that is thecase then software update can fix it Mar 05 17:34:45 serp_, probably Mar 05 17:34:59 worried more about hardware issues Mar 05 17:35:16 I still think they should have sent a couple of devices too devs and testers before they ship Mar 05 17:35:24 serp_, so true Mar 05 17:35:53 software will get fixed over upgrades but hardware is the main problem Mar 05 17:36:42 I think they were too confident Mar 05 17:40:03 That's interesting :) a problematic leather case Mar 05 17:41:40 the leather case looks cheap Mar 05 17:41:42 not worth 50 Mar 05 17:42:03 i would like a fitted leather case like a glove style that you do not have to remove Mar 05 17:42:06 my old newton had it Mar 05 17:42:09 serp_, i did get the all in one perk Mar 05 17:43:28 so I will have to live with the leather case till something new comes up or maybe make a custom one Mar 05 17:43:42 this type of case is nice Mar 05 17:43:43 https://the-gadgeteer.com/1998/03/15/newton_glove_review/ Mar 05 17:44:44 I don't see any use with it for the gemini Mar 05 17:45:05 since you will have to take it off so you open and use Mar 05 17:45:26 from the outside is pretty much just answer calls and with a watch make calls Mar 05 17:45:26 no similar type of case permanent on the gemini with openings for ports etc Mar 05 17:45:51 the ports are not covered with the Gemini case Mar 05 17:46:03 the gemini case is just a slip case Mar 05 17:46:06 you have to remove it Mar 05 17:46:10 it got opening on both sides Mar 05 17:46:18 yes exactly Mar 05 17:47:09 unless someone or pc come out with a case where it opens up with the gemini as a wrap "glove" Mar 05 17:47:17 yea that would be nice Mar 05 17:47:24 but too niche of a market Mar 05 17:47:27 only few thousand units Mar 05 17:47:42 this ups guy isi slacking off Mar 05 17:47:47 https://iphoneness-exxponentllc.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/gocuff1.jpg Mar 05 17:47:49 hence they came out with slip case Mar 05 17:48:17 serp_, can you call him or interact with him Mar 05 17:48:22 even a skin like the psion 7 how it has that backing is nice Mar 05 17:48:26 no Mar 05 17:48:26 take screenshots and send them to UPS Mar 05 17:48:43 he has been at the shopping center for 30 mins Mar 05 17:48:49 maybe he is having a drink Mar 05 17:49:05 or he took off the transponder Mar 05 17:49:17 akik, I can see many sportsman can benefit from this one Mar 05 17:49:29 serp_: he noticed it's a gemini package and opened it Mar 05 17:49:41 do we know the pin outs for the camera port? Mar 05 17:49:49 heh akik Mar 05 17:50:49 getting laid in the starbucks cafe :D Mar 05 17:51:01 or taking a long shit :D Mar 05 17:51:13 deliver my gemini then do that :) Mar 05 17:51:23 the starbucks he is at has beer and wine Mar 05 17:51:32 I would have met him in the cafe by now Mar 05 17:51:40 i may need a beer soon to calm the nerves if this guy doesnt show up Mar 05 17:51:40 go share mate Mar 05 17:51:41 lol Mar 05 17:52:06 maybe he quit Mar 05 17:52:07 get your shotgun ready Mar 05 17:52:15 abandoned the truck Mar 05 17:52:29 got raided maybe :) Mar 05 17:53:15 :' Mar 05 17:53:20 :'( Mar 05 17:53:34 who know you are waiting for a gemini Mar 05 17:54:22 I am going to move from my 4 year o ld nokia phone Mar 05 17:54:25 I wouldn't know the time or could track our deliveries here, just a phone call Mar 05 17:54:33 have never had an android phone hopeful it can be my only device Mar 05 17:54:51 Nokia as win mobile? Mar 05 17:54:55 yea Mar 05 17:54:57 lumia 930 Mar 05 17:55:02 mate why Mar 05 17:55:10 before that i had a 920 Mar 05 17:55:18 i had an iphone in 2010 Mar 05 17:55:44 where i worked needed win phone for enterprise Mar 05 17:55:51 tbh been a long while i haven't been interested in a phone Mar 05 17:56:07 up till Gemini Mar 05 17:56:13 what are you using now? Mar 05 17:56:14 not the android part thought Mar 05 17:56:26 still on an old IP6s Mar 05 17:56:27 yea also most phones are overpriced Mar 05 17:56:30 at 500+ Mar 05 17:56:30 vx connectbot is a good ssh client Mar 05 17:56:43 i got gemini for 349 Mar 05 17:56:45 and android 7 has the split screen built-in Mar 05 17:56:49 cannot find anything close for that price Mar 05 17:57:07 plus i have been looking for a replacement for my Hp200lx Mar 05 17:57:28 well midrange cellphones 2017 were more than the gemini in terms of specs Mar 05 17:58:06 JuiceSSH on the Gemini works nicely FWIW. Mar 05 17:58:12 checkout the oneplus 5t Mar 05 17:58:56 a midrange cell that nearly equal flagships Mar 05 17:58:59 yea but all phones have crap keyboard including blackberry Mar 05 17:59:21 am talking more about specs over physical build Mar 05 17:59:26 i don't like candy bar style phones Mar 05 17:59:36 it is a trend Mar 05 17:59:39 you drop it and the screen always shatters Mar 05 17:59:46 as much as IPX notch is becoming Mar 05 18:00:57 steve-marinos: and i don't like trends :) Mar 05 18:01:10 well now you got also a back side with glass too Mar 05 18:01:16 akik, me either Mar 05 18:01:20 :D Mar 05 18:01:20 i had a phone with snapdragon 820 before it broke Mar 05 18:01:22 trends is what killed the qwerty Mar 05 18:01:23 that sucker got hot Mar 05 18:01:52 the thing is all are copying all lol Mar 05 18:02:06 and at the end we will end up with same looks Mar 05 18:02:09 yea everyone copying gemini actually takes some engineering Mar 05 18:02:15 best thing no 3.5 jack Mar 05 18:02:17 https://www.fastcompany.com/40538575/phone-makers-are-embarrassing-themselves-by-copying-apples-ideas Mar 05 18:02:57 i hate notched bezels Mar 05 18:03:00 horrible Mar 05 18:03:33 I did like the idea of no bezels or minimal ones but they are sacrificing a lot Mar 05 18:03:49 this one plus i am sure iw ould break it in a week Mar 05 18:03:51 if i drop i t Mar 05 18:04:09 i prefer bezels and a thicker edge more durable Mar 05 18:04:19 you think the 1k iPhone x would not :) Mar 05 18:04:30 finally the guy is moving Mar 05 18:04:32 back on the road Mar 05 18:04:37 must have had a 4 course meal Mar 05 18:04:38 hooray Mar 05 18:04:50 glad we could kill some time for you Mar 05 18:04:53 he is on the main road looks like he will turn up my street soon Mar 05 18:05:11 get your shotgun ready Mar 05 18:05:23 and tell him you are 1/2 hour late Mar 05 18:05:29 i am curious to see the tracking latency from the map and real time Mar 05 18:06:05 congrats Mar 05 18:06:22 serp_, congratulations mate Mar 05 18:06:31 I guess now he wait at the door Mar 05 18:06:58 according to map he has stopped on side of the road Mar 05 18:07:02 this can't be right Mar 05 18:07:07 hahahahahahahahha Mar 05 18:07:18 this guy is a troll Mar 05 18:07:23 lmfao Mar 05 18:07:38 maybe he got someone else to deliver some other package Mar 05 18:07:40 is he hand carrying it from a .5 mile away Mar 05 18:08:39 serp_, you are a blast mate :D Mar 05 18:09:13 next thing you know the van turns away and the status update is "recipient not found" Mar 05 18:09:25 akik, lol Mar 05 18:09:30 https://ibb.co/ghZAf7 Mar 05 18:09:38 that is where my house is Mar 05 18:09:41 that is where the truck is Mar 05 18:09:47 there is no reason for him to be there Mar 05 18:10:24 maybe delayed refresh Mar 05 18:11:00 if this was GTA, i can see serp_ using cheat, god mode and use a tank to get his Gemini Mar 05 18:11:04 usually they leave box without signature Mar 05 18:11:10 haha steve Mar 05 18:11:53 is this far away from your home? Mar 05 18:11:59 where he was last at? Mar 05 18:12:53 delayed response Mar 05 18:12:57 on the side of the road stopped by somee vacant lot Mar 05 18:12:59 could be good news :) Mar 05 18:13:47 i wonder if it sends a signal that I am personally tracking him Mar 05 18:13:47 run, serp_, RUN! Mar 05 18:13:51 or if it jus sends anonymous data Mar 05 18:14:00 he could be trolling me Mar 05 18:14:23 that's what i said b4 :) Mar 05 18:14:27 this guy is a troll Mar 05 18:14:32 hahahahaha Mar 05 18:14:35 delivery is here Mar 05 18:15:02 got kicked Mar 05 18:15:03 or serp finally decided to take a run and get his Gemini Mar 05 18:15:15 with a baseball bat Mar 05 18:15:18 welcome back Mar 05 18:15:39 I thought you closed the page because of the door bell ringing Mar 05 18:15:40 do they make you sign? Mar 05 18:15:48 this guy usually just leaves the box Mar 05 18:15:57 No ides Mar 05 18:16:02 here we do sign Mar 05 18:16:33 and we have to pay for transport fee, and customs if applicable Mar 05 18:18:12 third time is a charm they say Mar 05 18:18:19 hopefully you got your package Mar 05 18:20:00 nope Mar 05 18:20:05 guy is still on the side of the road Mar 05 18:22:31 :) Mar 05 18:26:12 meanwhile i am vaping :) Mar 05 18:27:58 this is getting ridiculous Mar 05 18:30:24 call the police tell them inappropriate behavior by a ups truck at his location Mar 05 18:30:55 then the police will cease the truck will delay further :) Mar 05 18:31:33 well try and get there b4 they do claim your package and leave Mar 05 18:34:41 my canon camera also coming today same truck lol Mar 05 18:36:08 he did not arrive yet Mar 05 18:39:14 hopefully he did Mar 05 18:42:17 noipe Mar 05 18:42:21 still on side of road Mar 05 18:44:19 Upside-down in a snowbank? Mar 05 18:46:19 Or, more likely, under time pressure, drove straight past your place, ticked the box on his terminal that says "customer not present" (thus putting last known position at the centroid of your postcode, some way up the road from your house), and driven on to the next drop. Mar 05 18:47:13 he is now moving Mar 05 18:47:23 im freaking starving Mar 05 18:47:35 wondering if is should risk going to the garage fridge to grab a bite Mar 05 18:54:35 WTF Mar 05 18:56:50 it just cme Mar 05 18:56:55 the L key is jammed down WTF Mar 05 19:01:22 gently apply the key unjamming tool Mar 05 19:02:02 But remember to wash the butter off the blade first. Mar 05 19:21:02 serp__, congratulations hope the L key is easy fix Mar 05 19:55:18 weird issue with my gemini Mar 05 19:55:30 when I use Shift and the 2 button to try to get @ it shows a quotation mark Mar 05 19:55:33 no idea how to get the @ symbol Mar 05 19:55:49 alt? Mar 05 19:56:02 on finnish keyboard @ is altgr+2 Mar 05 19:56:16 i have an english keyboard Mar 05 19:56:17 odd Mar 05 19:56:28 i think i saw somebody else saying that same thing Mar 05 19:56:40 so i can't even log in Mar 05 19:56:43 to my accounts Mar 05 19:56:49 install the applicable keymap, when/if available, some android thingy that I don't know. Mar 05 19:56:50 or use any of my passwords that have that symbol Mar 05 19:57:58 lol Mar 05 19:58:01 function k Mar 05 19:58:05 is @ symbol Mar 05 19:58:09 the keyboard is all screwed up Mar 05 19:58:10 * Kero remembers mexican keyboards have no '@' at all. Sending e-mail was interesting :) Mar 05 19:58:10 fn+k ? Mar 05 19:58:22 yea Mar 05 19:58:45 On a UK keyboard, @ is shifted, and on the key just above and to the left of the right shift key. Mar 05 19:58:47 just through trial and error i found that Mar 05 19:58:56 https://i0.wp.com/geminiplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/FinalUKLayout.jpg?w=1057&ssl=1 Mar 05 19:59:02 So it's spiritually in the right place, even if it's wandered over onto the letter keys. Mar 05 19:59:10 i ordered a US keyboard Mar 05 19:59:37 dang Mar 05 20:00:31