**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 10 03:00:03 2018 Mar 10 03:07:43 serp_ (IRC): i've been looking for other reports of this and haven't seen any. is it still happening to you only while it's charging and on? Mar 10 03:08:10 on my gemini it restarts at least once a day Mar 10 03:08:16 not sure if battery or firmware issue Mar 10 03:09:49 are you doing anything when it happens, or is it just sitting there? if you are using it, sounds like a flaky solder joint or a connector that isn't seated properly. Mar 10 03:32:32 no plugged in sitting there Mar 10 03:32:36 and randomly restarts Mar 10 03:32:41 it must be a battery ISSUE imo Mar 10 03:32:48 who did they source the pack from? Mar 10 03:33:56 gemini needs to discover the concept of "vertical integration" would help them significantly Mar 10 04:50:57 greguu yes I guess somehow it was pushed/delayed, previously I asked when I should expect my order to be shipped base on my order number and i got a response by the end april Mar 10 04:52:24 greguu by johannes "My order # is ~4500, so I guess I’ll have to wait some time but it would be great to have some rough estimate when I’ll have it? A month? Two? Three? Six?" Mar 10 04:52:57 greguu "1-2 I'd say Johannes. Robin" Mar 10 04:54:13 greguu and it seems they are addressing the problems mentioned by the backers that received their devices with issues, as I seen on the FB page ... Mar 10 04:54:44 I would link the post but I got go for work maybe later today I will Mar 10 10:13:11 Robin from Planet has sent a registration request on OESF, I have sent him a confirmation email just to make sure that's really him Mar 10 10:13:34 good to have someone from Planet onboard Mar 10 10:23:17 do wee have any clueful sailfish devs on the channel? i started thinking about running debian (or other linux) under sailfish as an application. would require bt mouse of course, but it might be easier than getting the full linux kernel + telephony stack working Mar 10 10:24:51 on n900 you can run debian in a chroot environment, something similar would work on sailfish. with xwayland or direct wayland. Mar 10 10:27:46 looks like i'm not the only one.. http://thpmaemo.blogspot.fi/2015/01/running-debian-sid-on-sailfish-os.html Mar 10 10:32:22 asked the same on fb Mar 10 12:23:11 any good news lately or same old Mar 10 14:20:30 I had a puncture on my bike on the indoor trainer :D Mar 10 14:30:48 and then try to take a nap while your kids are at home and your 2 year old daughter wants you to play wit her Mar 10 14:31:13 heh Mar 10 14:31:20 you know i remember seeing an old project for a phone by google Mar 10 14:31:37 one that can pick pieces and switch to his licking Mar 10 14:31:46 even screen replacable Mar 10 14:31:50 ya they where R&d'in a module phone Mar 10 14:32:09 this thing never seen the light right? Mar 10 14:42:09 nah, it was just a concept i think Mar 10 14:57:50 Project Ara? Mar 10 15:02:26 Oh man keyboard problems with the gemini are my worst nightmare Mar 10 15:02:47 Thats its whole reason to exist has to work really really well Mar 10 15:05:09 By the way with this being crowdfunded do you get the same rights as buying from a shop? e.g. returns if it doesn't work etc? Mar 10 15:08:15 i actualy suspect the S is dropping input, more than once the enter button is unresponsive when typing my password Mar 10 15:08:20 best to contact them to ask Mar 10 15:08:26 give ti a sec and it just works Mar 10 15:16:50 potate[m], I cannot remember if it was project ara might wanna look for it on google hang on Mar 10 15:17:51 potate[m], yes it was project ara Mar 10 15:18:01 I guess it came to an end it seems Mar 10 15:30:13 Aye Mar 10 15:30:20 cool things never happen Mar 10 15:31:09 potate[m], it was a cool idea to be honest Mar 10 15:31:47 The only modular things we got was the terrible LG G5 and the Moto Z Mar 10 15:32:04 The Moto Z is ok I guess, lacks modules though Mar 10 15:32:44 https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/keyboard-mod-a-physical-keyboard-for-the-moto-z/x/17931013#/ Mar 10 15:32:45 has this at least Mar 10 15:37:28 good morning folks Mar 10 15:40:43 ello fella Mar 10 15:41:17 good afternoon, all Mar 10 15:41:26 good evening :D Mar 10 15:41:30 almost Mar 10 15:42:26 7:49am here :) Mar 10 15:43:00 where r u steve ? Mar 10 15:44:17 is planet computers only product the gemeini Mar 10 15:44:21 or do they make other stuff? Mar 10 15:45:01 only gemini right now Mar 10 15:46:51 WorkingClassDev, middle east Lebanon Mar 10 15:46:57 17:45 now Mar 10 15:47:01 ahh cool Mar 10 15:47:07 guess am gonna need a coffee Mar 10 15:47:24 potate[m], looks like a great designed keyboard Mar 10 15:47:43 better than the one i got for one of my devices long time ago Mar 10 15:49:11 so how many years took planet computers to get back to market after Psion? Mar 10 15:49:23 and what were they doing by then Mar 10 15:51:19 Gemini mentioned on r/linux https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/83cugs/i_just_learned_about_this_a_modern_pda_called_the/ Mar 10 15:54:28 WorkingClassDev, the replies are encouraging though Mar 10 15:54:35 some :D Mar 10 15:54:46 specially on the linux/mediatek side Mar 10 15:54:56 They are right about the price, if i'd not backed I wouldn't be buying Mar 10 15:56:20 WorkingClassev, well it is still a unique design and high hopes on the Linux boot side Mar 10 15:56:37 yea deffo Mar 10 15:56:47 my guess is linux will eat the batteries Mar 10 15:56:55 I'd be waiting to see how things pan out. At the backer price though it was 100% worth a punt Mar 10 15:57:03 I don't think mediatek will release the BSP Mar 10 15:57:38 yea 349 is a helluva deal for a new phone been struggling with my previous phone since 2014 an old lumia 930 windowsphone Mar 10 15:57:48 cannot find anything even close for this price Mar 10 15:57:53 typical, done 2 hours on the turbo because it was raining and now right after I have a beer its stopped so I could have gone outside inside. Bloody uk weather Mar 10 15:58:24 yep, i paid like 220 GBP for the wifi version Mar 10 15:58:26 i wonder what landed cost is to build one of these is to gemini Mar 10 15:58:35 80 quid ? Mar 10 15:58:37 :D Mar 10 15:59:35 lol Mar 10 16:02:45 I remember a number of years ago when AliExpress first opened up to shipping the uk the prices were insane cheap. Same factory making 150 GBP for a single item knocking them out for 4 GBP. Mar 10 16:02:59 I got quite a few bits back then and they lasted and looked practially the same. Mar 10 16:03:31 knock off or same quality? Mar 10 16:03:46 they were litterally the same item but with some branding issues Mar 10 16:04:09 e.g. they'd be branded but laid out the same as the company had ever done them for sale over here Mar 10 16:04:46 for example a logo that would normally be on the left would be on the back or on the right or lower down etc etc Mar 10 16:13:28 to be completely honest if I knew then what I know now i would have held backing and waited for a full retail but after i read and follow the linux reviews and development on the Gemini Mar 10 16:13:46 2 things caught my eyes in blind keyboard and linux Mar 10 16:14:21 and I was hoping it won't be Jolla Mar 10 16:16:02 if it wasn't for the price i would have saved my money for Pyra Mar 10 16:16:38 I saw it drunk... what else can I say :D Mar 10 16:16:42 and for 580$ would got me a oneplus 5t for a daily driver Mar 10 16:16:54 Well I'm always positively suprised if a crowdfunding project even finishes :P Mar 10 16:17:17 This is my first time, I don't think I'll do it again after hearing all the horror stories Mar 10 16:17:30 razumihin, this is my 1st crowd fund project that I knew about Mar 10 16:17:58 WorkingClassDev, and then I might wait for a retail version Mar 10 16:18:09 Yeah, well this is exceptionally well made one :) Mar 10 16:18:09 yea steve-marinos Mar 10 16:18:54 Think is I don't actually know if I'm going to use this but I've always wanted a psion type device with linux on it Mar 10 16:18:57 razumihin, hopping for a second version retail, no crowed funding but with better specs and real linux support Mar 10 16:18:58 s/think/thing Mar 10 16:19:17 steve-marinos: yeah Mar 10 16:20:19 so maybe for PC it is a trial to see if it really hit the market, if it doesn't meet the expectation might not ever see a version2 Mar 10 16:20:30 Truth is that I backed to show that there's a demand for this kind of device. Mar 10 16:20:39 same razumihin Mar 10 16:20:47 I'm not that interested is it planet, oneplus or xiaomi that makes the next one. Mar 10 16:20:58 but i did find out late so it was about to be made by the time i jumped in Mar 10 16:21:09 I just wish that there is a next one. Mar 10 16:21:16 Also they've rasied over $2m so proves there is demand Mar 10 16:21:57 I'm actually now betting that HMD makes a new communicator. Mar 10 16:22:17 That is the device that I miss more than the psion really. Mar 10 16:22:40 I used 9500 as my secondary phone to somewhere around 2013 Mar 10 16:22:51 And I still have two of thos. Mar 10 16:23:32 HMD=Nokia? Mar 10 16:23:56 It's the chinese firm that bought Nokia trademark. Mar 10 16:24:06 It actually has nothing to do with the nokia of the past. Mar 10 16:24:27 razumihin, Yeah Nokia seems to be making a good comeback after all this years dead by Microshit Mar 10 16:24:50 but i heard the staff is a mix of old nokia and microsoft Mar 10 16:25:06 anyways chinese these days are doing a good job to say the least Mar 10 16:25:15 weird, their health side seems to going bye bye Mar 10 16:25:38 steve-marinos: I hope they keep the hardware quality at old nokia standards. Mar 10 16:25:51 I got my wife a huawei mate 10 pro after years of samsung use she never regretted it Mar 10 16:25:53 Which is a shame because the withings scale i have awesome and the steel hr was ok if they fixed the condensation issue. They did but rebranded to nokia health and screwed up everything else Mar 10 16:26:52 razumihin, now what would be awesome is the resurrection of open source department on the HMD/Nokia like it was before it was killed by microsoft Mar 10 16:27:46 steve-marinos: Yeah, i'm still worried that the maemo train already went. Mar 10 16:27:47 and the fact that HMD might be open to the old communicator series Mar 10 16:28:03 I wish that jolla could be a serious competitor to iOS or Android Mar 10 16:28:29 maybe a rejoin of Jolla/saifish team with HMD Mar 10 16:28:42 Yeah. Mar 10 16:28:49 I doubt it, but wish it :) Mar 10 16:29:43 headlines : Jolla meets HMD/Nokia after microsoft massacre :D Mar 10 16:30:39 one other think I like is they are running pure android on the Nokia devices Mar 10 16:31:07 No bloat ware no add ons Mar 10 16:32:25 razumihin: hmd global is a finnish company Mar 10 16:32:55 akik, and if am not mistaken they are across the streets of Nokia Mar 10 16:33:17 I will google it Mar 10 16:35:32 razumihin, https://imgur.com/a/aBkUE Mar 10 16:36:44 Yep, they're neighbours (everybody needs good neighbours...) Mar 10 16:37:12 lets hope they keep the legacy Mar 10 16:37:23 and not follow the trend Mar 10 16:37:52 well eventually not follow apples ideas of innovation :D Mar 10 16:39:28 take the finger print sensor put a notch and take the headphone jack make the phone body out of glass and sell the quick charger separately for a cost and make the device hit the 1k USD mark Mar 10 16:39:34 innovation at its best Mar 10 16:41:19 and then later you see an essential phone that is missing some essentials because of trending, price tag it at 700$ fail to sell and then lower the cost to a mid range phone Mar 10 16:41:41 and still get bad reviews LMFAO Mar 10 16:41:58 https://twitter.com/__mk/status/972317448245399553 Mar 10 16:42:02 because apple :D Mar 10 16:42:42 the story of adam and eve continues all because of apples Mar 10 16:42:44 :D Mar 10 16:43:27 Aaah, but it's not really an apple is it? Mar 10 16:43:54 well the book says it is :P Mar 10 16:44:18 remember also apples was behind the gravity theory Mar 10 16:44:26 was it apples? Mar 10 16:44:37 damn I need to refresh my memory Mar 10 16:44:53 so everything happens because of apples Mar 10 16:45:01 it even get the doctor away Mar 10 16:45:02 :D Mar 10 16:45:29 newton? Mar 10 16:45:31 Forbidden fruit is all that is mentioned - it was a question on the TV show QI ًںک‰ Mar 10 16:45:35 akik, yes Mar 10 16:45:48 lol Mar 10 16:45:56 canny[m], here they told us it is an apple and I believe it :P Mar 10 16:46:04 apple tree Mar 10 16:46:09 with fruits Mar 10 16:46:16 akik: Oh, I thought they just have some kind of office space at keilaniemi :P Mar 10 16:46:25 I saw that tweet yesterday, oh man the gemini is gonna be great for snes roms Mar 10 16:46:52 I guess it's all down to the translation! As an atheist, it doesn't matter to me anyway :P Mar 10 16:47:31 canny[m], just relating apple trends through history :D Mar 10 16:47:40 WorkingClassDev: Totally, i'm so going to play retro games with it :P Mar 10 16:48:11 Its gonna get hammered in hospital hahah cant wait Mar 10 16:48:31 razumihin: Yeah, it'll be a great little MAME device (hopefully!) Mar 10 16:49:03 GPD pocket was already quite good, but it has other issues. Mar 10 16:49:11 I;ve not touched mame for probs 15 years! Mar 10 16:49:59 steve-marinos: True, I think there was some mention of Eve having to plug the fruit in every 4 hours! ; ) Mar 10 16:50:38 canny[m], she bought a quick charge dash separately too :D :P Mar 10 16:51:16 heh Mar 10 16:51:23 was cheaper back then :) Mar 10 16:53:01 razumihin, what kind of issues? Mar 10 16:53:13 I guess it has better Linux support simply due to x86_64 SoC Mar 10 16:53:35 NotKit: Well shitty charging circuit, shitty keyboard foils and badly installed cooling... Mar 10 16:53:55 Linux was excellent with stockmind modifications. Mar 10 16:54:04 But the device itself was a bit of a bodge. Mar 10 16:54:13 Ugh, the weather here in Northern Ireland is wet and windy - but if I don't leave the house now, the shops will be closed. Wish me luck folks...later! Mar 10 16:54:47 canny[m], good luck mate Mar 10 16:55:03 Well, you're still better off than I am in finland. I just plugged a tractor to heating so I can clear my yard of snow :P Mar 10 16:55:33 isn't GPD made by same PYRA team Mar 10 16:55:56 I don't know. Could be. Mar 10 16:57:01 razumihin: did you get the gemini yet? Mar 10 16:57:17 Nope, 2100ish in line. Mar 10 16:57:41 i'm also in finland, 22xx :) Mar 10 16:57:44 https://www.dragonbox.de/en/22-consoles#/system-gpd_pocket-gpd_win-gpd_xd Mar 10 16:58:17 wikipedia says that the company behind gpd is gamepad digital in hong kong Mar 10 16:58:19 akik: I think cos- might get his soon and i've heard that there's at least one of those in finland. Mar 10 16:59:53 I don't know on the dragonbox it have the GPD and the ras pi with Pyra under that tabs Mar 10 16:59:59 the tabs Mar 10 17:01:23 Forgive my ignorance, would MAME work on an arm chip? Are the engines ported I guess is my question? Mar 10 17:03:08 if am not mistaken all you need is the emmulator Mar 10 17:03:22 cool, happy days Mar 10 17:04:49 Re: Charging the pump express issues are related to fast charging right and it'll still slow charge on a normal usb c cable ? Mar 10 17:04:54 i remember playing mame games b4 just not sure on what machine, all i did was download emulator and was playing Mar 10 17:05:51 yea last time i tried mame was early 2000s and some guy gave me a thing to run and it ran :D Mar 10 17:06:29 WorkingClassDev, no idea about the charging issues Mar 10 17:06:51 ok, i hope we aren't tied to the PC cable Mar 10 17:06:55 serp_, or others who have the device might have more experience with the issues faced with these Mar 10 17:08:13 DragonBox and GPD are different companies, DragonBox is a reseller of GPD devices in Europe Mar 10 17:08:36 potate[m], ah thanks for the clarification Mar 10 17:09:07 The Pyra and OpenPandora have no relation to GPD at all besides the form factor Mar 10 17:09:10 I never looked deep into it and i thought dragon box is the main thing like Planet computers with different branding Mar 10 17:09:47 You guys would probably love the Pyra Mar 10 17:10:01 potate[m], it is expensive Mar 10 17:10:08 But it's stuck in forever 'coming soon' status Mar 10 17:10:15 But that's nothing compared to the Open Pandora Mar 10 17:10:22 and still in development Mar 10 17:10:24 I think it took them 8 years to produce it? Mar 10 17:10:27 it looks like ass ? Mar 10 17:10:44 potate[m], not in production yet Mar 10 17:11:06 I don't know about the Pyra but the Pandora looks weird but is rather nice when you hold it Mar 10 17:11:25 It has a great community as well Mar 10 17:11:47 potate[m], one positive thing though the hardware should be replaceable once updated Mar 10 17:12:12 Yeah Mar 10 17:12:20 so same case you just order a new board cpu etc Mar 10 17:12:38 and I believe they added 2 batteries ? Mar 10 17:13:02 Haven't been following development of it Mar 10 17:13:09 and full debian gnu, not sure about the cell calls though Mar 10 17:13:34 potate[m], even it supports LTE Mar 10 17:13:51 but the question is when will they release it, if ever Mar 10 17:14:09 yeah I read those a while ago Mar 10 17:14:20 will have to read them again to refresh my memory Mar 10 17:15:07 It'll be released when it's done Mar 10 17:15:24 Don't think ED has as much resource as PC or GPD Mar 10 17:16:02 Latest update: https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/threads/silence.82662/ Mar 10 17:18:23 potate[m], looks like they run into some hardware issues but also seems they getting ready for mass production Mar 10 17:21:55 well anyways since it is on full price no matter, one could wait for the retail version and reviews and then decide if it is worth spending this much money on it rather buying a notebook Mar 10 17:23:13 the only difference would be LTE support if it works on cell towers for phone calls or not under Debian Mar 10 17:32:34 only 1108 unit sold Mar 10 17:34:04 https://imgur.com/a/PIF8v Mar 10 17:54:04 It's still cheaper than the iPhone X Mar 10 17:56:11 400 eu for preorder Mar 10 17:57:21 not sure if the final retail price will cost more, nothing says if the price is reduced because it is a preorder or you get any discount for preordering ut Mar 10 17:57:22 it Mar 10 17:58:05 Like the with the Gemini Mar 10 17:58:07 Gotta be in it to win it! Mar 10 17:58:46 am starting to be tempted to click that add to cart thing Mar 10 17:59:20 for me it will be with no VAT since i don't live in europe Mar 10 18:00:15 but when i clicked show shipping costs it was all free for the 3 shipping provided companies including UPS and fedex for my country Mar 10 18:01:18 wonder why the camera modules are taking forever to ship Mar 10 18:01:31 626,05 EUR without VAT Mar 10 18:02:04 sounds a bit on expensive side Mar 10 18:02:48 I guess and maybe they consider them as add ons and they are focusing on delivering the devices themselves asap? Mar 10 18:02:52 just guessing Mar 10 18:04:16 or modules not ready yet Mar 10 18:11:43 should be seperate IMO Mar 10 18:11:49 the modules are easy to ship seperate Mar 10 18:11:55 not much manufacturing Mar 10 18:12:27 i don't think the same factory manufacturing the gemini is doing the camera modules Mar 10 18:12:53 tbh i think they should ship with the device same like all in one but ... Mar 10 18:13:35 the camera module was a side perk and never a bundle for the ones who want it Mar 10 18:13:59 so i don't really have an answer Mar 10 18:20:46 serp_ (IRC): i think the camera is the one thing we haven't seen working at all. and i think it's the one thing they weren't originally planning on. Mar 10 18:20:47 good afternoon, everybody. Mar 10 18:21:46 depscribe[m], hey mate Mar 10 18:21:54 good evening here :) Mar 10 18:24:34 steve-marinos (IRC): sunny here but not exactly warm. i'll never get used to time zones, and we go onto summer time tonight, so i'll be more confused than usual beginning tomorrow. Mar 10 18:35:41 soon spring time is here, but right now am under my blanket watching tv in the living room :) and i hate hot weather Mar 10 19:00:43 I think the camera would work well in portrait mode Mar 10 19:00:57 i am actually using my gemini in portrait some of the time makes sense Mar 10 19:03:32 a lot of apps don't scale well i hope PC comes out with a better scaling factor software Mar 10 19:05:46 isn't portrait landscape mode 3rd party apps property? Mar 10 19:08:55 it's a setting for the launcher Mar 10 19:09:40 also in android 4.4 there's a display setting auto-rotate screen Mar 10 19:09:47 yes i'm using android 4.4 :( Mar 10 19:18:00 is 4.4 the version for Gemini? Mar 10 21:46:34 it doesn't auto rotate Mar 10 22:18:47 @steve-marinos believe it or not it looks like the Jolla tablet (intel-based) might be about to come back under a different label. It would probably support linux https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/youyota-sailfish-os-2-in-1-tablet#/ Mar 10 22:23:22 that seems too cheap Mar 10 22:53:45 steve-marinos: Gemini uses Android 7 Mar 10 23:15:10 hi guys. Has anybody received their Gemini? Mar 10 23:15:24 A few people in this chat Mar 10 23:15:29 I'm not one of them Mar 10 23:15:44 I'm number 2000 or so. when will I get mine? Mar 10 23:16:54 Next batch Mar 10 23:18:45 the real question is, when will they start production for the next batch? Mar 10 23:19:09 as in they are not making any machines right now? Mar 10 23:19:29 unless someone has seen them say they are, I would assume they aren't Mar 10 23:20:00 That is .... news. Mar 10 23:20:31 I don't think me making assumptions counts as news Mar 10 23:21:15 but it would also be wrong to figure that the factory is back to production when afaik there's been no statement to that effect Mar 10 23:21:58 Did planet hint in their last email that hey are shopping for another factory? Mar 10 23:23:08 the mar 7 update just says "We continue to work to deliver the next units to backers as soon as possible." Mar 10 23:23:40 finding a new factory would probably push schedules back even more, and I don't know of any communication from Planet that indicates they were considering it Mar 10 23:24:46 "Of course, we told the factory that we do not regard this as acceptable behaviour. The factory has apologized." Mar 10 23:38:31 u guys are missing out on the gemini Mar 10 23:38:33 a genius device Mar 10 23:38:44 just wish it was a tad smaller Mar 10 23:38:54 about 1.5 inches too long Mar 10 23:42:51 but how would the keyboard fit Mar 10 23:43:52 see Psion Revo Mar 10 23:44:41 potate[m]: the keys could be smaller Mar 10 23:44:49 https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/keyboard-mod-a-physical-keyboard-for-the-moto-z/x/16121555#/ Mar 10 23:44:54 also wish that the design was a bit more curved Mar 10 23:44:57 no comprendo Mar 10 23:44:59 odd to hold in hand when talking on phone Mar 10 23:45:20 motox keyboard looks like your typical chiclet turd keyboard Mar 10 23:45:23 hah Mar 10 23:45:40 the moto z keyboard mod is for thumb typing Mar 10 23:46:04 It is hard to find a phone with any keyboard at all. Most of them are too small. Mar 10 23:46:17 yea not good Mar 10 23:46:36 thumb typing is perfect for on the move Mar 10 23:46:36 the keys on the gemini could be a bit smaller Mar 10 23:46:38 and still be useful Mar 10 23:46:55 I'm fine with thumb typing Mar 10 23:49:01 when is PC going to send the next OTA update Mar 10 23:49:09 the scale really sucks in landscape mode Mar 10 23:49:20 that 2880 resolution would have been great Mar 10 23:50:15 serp_: so would the 8000mAh battery . . . Mar 10 23:50:34 so would the x27 Mar 10 23:50:35 lol Mar 10 23:51:26 do we have the release notes of what is to be included in the next update? Mar 10 23:51:45 serp_: good point. i wonder if it's possible aftermarket to replace the cabk cover and battery and regain the 8000. seems doable, though maybe heavy and ugly. then again, i've been heavy and ugly and survived. Mar 10 23:52:03 not sure dimensions of existing battery Mar 10 23:52:13 maybe possible to find a higher density battery that will work ine xisting enclosure Mar 10 23:52:18 not too worried about battery lifef Mar 10 23:52:25 it lasts me 2 days of heavy use Mar 10 23:52:35 The camara module was supposed to house a bigger battery. I don't know if that is still on the table. Mar 10 23:52:48 there is not much room there Mar 10 23:53:10 fatcyclist: where did you see that? Mar 10 23:53:22 it was in the initial drawing describe Mar 10 23:53:48 I don't remember where I saw it. Mar 10 23:54:05 https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,f_auto,w_620/v1488034047/a2xvmqvqf4v0ooozsrec.jpg Mar 10 23:54:13 I feel like this is a 1.0 of a final design. Mar 10 23:54:17 serp_: specs change, don't they! Mar 10 23:55:15 serp_: ugh -- that also says 24oomAh! Mar 10 23:55:42 2400 Mar 10 23:56:00 8000mah battery would easily last close to a week Mar 10 23:56:22 im pretty sure yeou can get a higher capacity battery that will fit in existing enclosure Mar 10 23:56:31 nope. I have a GPD pocket. guess how long the battery lasts. Mar 10 23:57:09 serp_: that would be good. as iphone owners have learned, they weaken over time, so the more you start with . . . Mar 10 23:57:14 GPD pocket sucks balls Mar 10 23:57:21 i have one too and the battery lasts barely 3 hours Mar 10 23:57:28 and the battery is drained while in standby Mar 10 23:57:31 horrible power management Mar 10 23:57:38 it works as advertised ( aside from battery life). Mar 10 23:57:45 fatcyclist: i've heard the battery life is awful. that, and the split spacebar, kept me from getting one. Mar 10 23:57:50 mine drains in standby mode Mar 10 23:58:00 if I leave it unplugged for 2 days Mar 10 23:58:03 it will drain a full battery Mar 10 23:58:08 don't use sleep. Mar 10 23:58:14 and the SOC algorithim sucks it goes from 80pct to like 20 pct Mar 10 23:58:16 quickly Mar 10 23:58:23 it turns on quick. Mar 10 23:58:27 the gemini is a much better product than the pocket Mar 10 23:58:35 yea but If I have a spreadsheet or something im workig on Mar 10 23:58:39 serp_: well, if the GPD Pocket does that, then it's at least good for *something.* Mar 10 23:58:41 pain in the ass to save close shut down and restart Mar 10 23:59:25 pocket is a bit too bulky too Mar 10 23:59:27 they could have made it thinner Mar 10 23:59:34 its like a paperweight Mar 11 00:00:00 no microsd slot either Mar 11 00:00:10 serp_: how does the gemini feel as to weight? any problem in, say, a jacket pocket? Mar 11 00:00:10 You are not the target audience. It is for people that have to go somewhere and give a presentation. Mar 11 00:00:28 it works for showing a video clip or a powerpoint. Mar 11 00:00:29 a bit heavy when talking on the phone Mar 11 00:00:36 but not bad Mar 11 00:00:40 longer than needed though Mar 11 00:00:43 so a bit cumbersome Mar 11 00:01:04 how many people are on linux showing a presentation? Mar 11 00:01:09 not many Mar 11 00:01:15 me! Mar 11 00:01:36 people are using it as a laptop replacement for light duty work Mar 11 00:01:53 what do you use your laptop for? Mar 11 00:01:59 serp_: that's the problem i suspect in part in using an OTS display -- designed expecially to leave room at one end for an onscreen keyboard and used in portrait. Mar 11 00:02:06 office work, programming and diagnostics mainly Mar 11 00:02:22 I like the idea of using the gemini in portrait Mar 11 00:02:32 when you start talking about this you have to reassess what it was you where trying to do in the first place. Mar 11 00:02:34 actually quite useful especially with screwed up applications that don't translate well to landscape Mar 11 00:02:37 also good for when taking photos Mar 11 00:02:58 fatcyclist a computer with 3-4 hours of battery life that is ultraportable is lame Mar 11 00:03:05 pocket should have 8-10 hours of battery life Mar 11 00:03:38 what good is it being ultraportable if it can barely last a few hours Mar 11 00:03:50 serp_: i take pictures for a living, so fortunately i don't need to use the one in my phone, but a more useful one would be handy if that's all somebody is carrying. Mar 11 00:04:02 yea i use mine as the main device Mar 11 00:04:04 want to travel light Mar 11 00:04:09 got a nice point and shoot that connects over wifi Mar 11 00:04:16 I think about this a good deal. I have a phone that I attach a external keyboard to and usb stick. It works for 90% of what I have to do. It is painful for writing for many hours. Mar 11 00:04:29 yea the pcoket keyboard sucks ass Mar 11 00:04:36 i wrote a 12 page document on othe gemini a few days ago Mar 11 00:04:37 not that bady Mar 11 00:04:51 had to edit on a main computer though Mar 11 00:05:01 but got all the ideas down and proof read and made edits on my desktop Mar 11 00:05:27 serp_: wifi in cameras is more and more useful. even some high-end cameras have it now. i once experimented with wifi SD cards, but the result wasn't pretty. Mar 11 00:05:34 Bluetooth on cameras is also good Mar 11 00:05:41 Beats using wifi direct any day Mar 11 00:05:55 bluetooth eats battery lif Mar 11 00:05:55 e Mar 11 00:05:58 in my estimation Mar 11 00:06:05 Not much these days Mar 11 00:06:11 BLE or bluetooth? Mar 11 00:06:34