**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 12 03:00:01 2018 Mar 12 13:23:53 glad to see that the IGG comments page seems to have returned to more civil discussions Mar 12 13:29:32 Cool - Der999 finally took the hint then? Mar 12 13:29:48 I hope so Mar 12 13:30:46 also, it seems that the first batch produced after the CNY will still have the X25 CPU, but only since the PCBs have been already produced before the holidays. This batch will consist of 150 units, and almost all of the are for the UK Mar 12 13:30:51 them = them Mar 12 13:30:53 ehm, the = them, sorry Mar 12 13:42:39 1 Mar 12 13:42:50 whoops Mar 12 13:44:03 so you are the first in the queue Mar 12 13:44:18 I still have to take my number Mar 12 13:44:20 hehe Mar 12 13:46:01 should the hardware have imu and compass? the post few lines above says they don't at least work yet.. Mar 12 13:57:29 the compass is confirmed from Planet to be disabled because of the magnets for the lid closing Mar 12 13:58:35 regarding the IMU, I have read somewhere that it was working for someone else, he's able to change to portrait mode without the need to switch it manually Mar 12 14:00:11 https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=34829&view=findpost&p=284846 Mar 12 14:03:51 15:42 < regtools> 1 Mar 12 14:03:51 15:42 < regtools> whoops Mar 12 14:03:56 ... Mar 12 14:04:06 I whooped the whoops Mar 12 14:04:57 (I thought that i had focus on different terminal and got visual hilight+copy of this window) Mar 12 14:50:45 varti: What you were saying about the second batch earlier - are you saying that the second batch will only be 150 units, while the first batch was 1000? or that In the second batch, the first 150 units will be X25 CPUs? Mar 12 14:50:46 (catching up after a number of mind-numbing meetings...) Mar 12 14:56:46 i understood that total 1000 boards were done but 850 finished & shipped, the remaining 150 are manufactured with x25 Mar 12 14:59:35 cos-: aah, cool - cheers for confirming. Wouldn't be too bothered about receiving an X25 unit - but the thought of such a small next batch filled me with dread! Mar 12 17:19:16 hey people Mar 12 17:19:28 GM steve-marinos Mar 12 17:19:55 TheKit[m]: are you here I need to ask if it is possible to make a linux image on drivedroid persistent Mar 12 17:20:04 hey LondonDario Mar 12 17:20:23 steve-marinos, I answered that before, I think Mar 12 17:20:41 TheKit[m]: I did not catch it mate sorry Mar 12 17:20:45 I don't know if it emulates CD drive or USB Flash drive Mar 12 17:20:47 NotKit: Mar 12 17:21:02 but if it's the first, no, unless you can save state on another device Mar 12 17:21:21 NotKit: so far I tried Gparted but i could not see any other sd except the one on the device itself Mar 12 17:21:53 device as in the PC Mar 12 17:23:04 NotKit: i tried to change to USB still could not see but SDA, no other SD* were available, and I did expand the image to 4gb but nothing Mar 12 17:24:32 that's weird, if it could boot successfully, but if it it emulates CD image, device would probably be /dev/sr* Mar 12 17:25:09 let me check am booting right now from drivedroid using mint XFCE Mar 12 17:26:18 NotKit: hm but It seems I switched to CDrom i have to switch to usb and use allow changes mode Mar 12 17:28:09 NotKit: Gparted only see /dev/sda on mac also Mar 12 17:33:35 with fdisk it sees /dev/loop0 Mar 12 17:33:43 https://pastebin.com/4QhCMMue Mar 12 17:34:37 NotKit: that's emulating to CDrom, I'll try and change to USB and see if this changes Mar 12 17:35:02 brb, between if you're busy never mind me mate Mar 12 17:50:24 NotKit: it seems on the boot no matter what I choose it sees it as CDROM Mar 12 17:51:18 it's just that I'm hardly experienced with that tool or how it works for my answers to be useful Mar 12 17:52:13 I guess unless it sees it as USB i wont be able to partition and make it persistent, might as well get me a USB stick and work on it, just i thought it would be awesome to make my phone booting a persistent linux install Mar 12 17:53:46 NotKit: no worry mate thanks for answering, it is anyways off topic, but am messing around while i wait to receive my Gemini which gonna take forever :D Mar 12 17:54:21 NotKit: so hows development on the Linux side for the Gemini, any noticeable progress Mar 12 17:56:50 not much of "noticeable" one, except for getting rotation sensors working in UBPorts Mar 12 17:57:03 mostly boring but needed stuff like packaging, etc Mar 12 17:57:25 NotKit: anyone helping you? Mar 12 17:59:24 Davide from Planet, and adam_b with Gemian for sure Mar 12 18:00:32 NotKit: that's great mate, hopefully when more people get their devices will get more help, thank you for your efforts Mar 12 18:01:22 all 3 of you Mar 12 18:22:05 I wish it had the 8000 mah battery Mar 12 18:22:09 can barely get 2 days of heavy use Mar 12 18:24:42 PC has been awfully quiet Mar 12 18:29:51 serp_, lets hope they are focusing on the so many issues reported Mar 12 18:30:01 more like making excuses Mar 12 18:30:06 factory this factory t hat Mar 12 18:30:12 factory factory unacceptable Mar 12 18:30:14 apologize Mar 12 18:30:15 factory Mar 12 18:30:47 well after that they should know better not blame the factory :D Mar 12 18:32:12 anyways I believe this will be my 1st and last crowd funding I do, there is nothing wrong with paying a full priced retail version Mar 12 18:32:46 at least there will be minimum guarantees Mar 12 18:33:00 and lots of reviews Mar 12 18:33:04 :D Mar 12 18:35:56 and looks like we have a subforum on XDA too :) Mar 12 18:37:34 https://forum.xda-developers.com/gemini-pda Mar 12 18:47:57 curious to see version 2 Mar 12 18:48:04 the gemini 2 needs to be smaller for sure Mar 12 18:48:10 it is unwildely as a phone Mar 12 18:49:49 serp_, maybe PC never had or will have a version 2 in mind Mar 12 18:50:01 needs to be PSION revo sized Mar 12 18:51:17 well for version 2 1st thing should be no crowd funding, if they want a dualboot with android and linux they should get the right hardware Mar 12 18:53:17 a back lit keyboard even smaller for working easier with two thumbs Mar 12 18:53:53 e-ink or lcd when the device is closed Mar 12 18:54:11 fingerprint unlock Mar 12 18:54:17 on the back Mar 12 18:54:30 dual cam on the back and one for selfies Mar 12 18:54:33 thinner and smaller Mar 12 18:54:36 even with less features Mar 12 18:54:51 backlight will ruin keyboard travel i think Mar 12 18:54:54 like it did with teht hinkpads Mar 12 18:57:08 or finger print can be embedded with the spacebar like keyone i guess Mar 12 18:59:21 why there isn't a perfect device :( Mar 12 19:14:30 Howsabout rather than backlight, UV flourescent printing and a UV LED mounted on the screen - a version of the Thinklight the Thinkpads have been using, but less glary Mar 12 19:17:36 issue wiith the thinklight is angle of screen Mar 12 19:17:40 it is non adjustable Mar 12 19:18:35 Given it's trying to make the keyboard legends flouresce rather than to illuminate it shouldn't be so bad Mar 12 19:22:04 DaPol2, I also seen some keyboard that is projected might try this one also as a prototype :) Mar 12 19:26:35 but seriously I can see many rooms for improvements that will make the device more exciting and more appealing for the public, but also more expensive ... Mar 12 19:29:43 right now am counting on the community to make this one really exciting at least for what I like to have, other than that not really interested in an another android device with or without a keyboard .. Mar 12 19:30:20 for the price of the Gemini for an android device i would have get either the keyone or the oneplus 5t Mar 12 19:46:21 I'm happy enough with the Gemini, but that's because my expectations of it were "A PDA with wireless capabilities that allows me to work on email and documents" Mar 12 19:46:35 You could have sold me an updated Nokia 9210 and I'd have been happy enough Mar 12 19:46:55 And the Gemini was £200 cheaper than my KeyOne, so.... Mar 12 19:46:58 Have to say, I think the device I have now is pretty much spot on HW wise, to what I bought into Mar 12 19:47:15 nods Mar 12 19:47:23 in terms of 'connected, Mar 12 19:47:32 It's rather better than I'd feared it woudl be Mar 12 19:47:43 updated series 5, it ticks all the boxes Mar 12 19:47:51 Alcatel OT980 havign scarred me, Galaxy Pro not helping either Mar 12 19:48:05 I seem to be lucky with the keyboard :) Mar 12 19:48:11 Mine's got the keys on straight and usable Mar 12 19:48:12 me too Mar 12 19:48:37 Literally the only hardware complaint I have that is a complaint rather than a feature request is the smudge-magnet screen protector Mar 12 19:48:52 some of the key caps aren't brand new white anymore, but that's my greasy mits Mar 12 19:49:00 :) Mar 12 19:49:11 What? You're not wearing white silk gloves to use it? Mar 12 19:49:48 only thing I dread is automated calls - press 1 for this. 2 for that... Mar 12 19:50:05 :D Mar 12 19:50:08 Hmm - "OK Google. Dial 1" Mar 12 19:50:09 FWIW that screen protector is just for shipping and you're meant to remove it. Mar 12 19:50:25 Shall do so when I'm home - let's see if it comes off Mar 12 19:50:32 I'll buy a 2nd unit to keep MISB when all the teething issues are resolved Mar 12 19:51:05 I'd like the firmware update to allow USB-C PD charging - the hardware's obviously capable, just not the firmware Mar 12 19:51:22 screen protector isn't bothering me the way phone ones do, once they start to peel Mar 12 19:51:23 For now - USB-A exists, so no real problem. Mar 12 19:52:06 Would be nice to be able to get at the SD card without having to lever off the back - that's actually somethign that could be fixed with a redesigned cover plate Mar 12 19:52:59 And I miss the Moto Z's "Read out notifications" function Mar 12 19:53:11 somehow it feels they came up with the design with Psion in mind and gone with it Mar 12 19:53:12 I'm sure I could get an app to do that, but I haven't found one that doesn't annoy me yet Mar 12 19:53:27 steve-marinos: That's almost exactly what they did Mar 12 19:53:46 added extra features for making it more interesting for others Mar 12 19:53:48 sure they did, it's designed from the keyboard out Mar 12 19:53:55 i took the screen protector off my gemini Mar 12 19:53:56 like what suppose to be dual boot Mar 12 19:53:57 much better Mar 12 19:54:22 friend of mine is complaining because itdoesn'thave the series 5 hinge and slide out keybd Mar 12 19:54:25 the screen protector has holes in it Mar 12 19:54:39 i wish the screen hinge design was adjustable Mar 12 19:54:43 would be a lot more useful Mar 12 19:54:49 like my 200lx Mar 12 19:56:00 for me Psion means nothing since i never had or knew about it up till i knew about the Gemini Mar 12 19:56:01 cowboycoder: Would remove the slight screen bounce when typing aggressively certainly Mar 12 19:56:09 But I don't miss the flex-cable problems Mar 12 19:56:17 the magnets are too strong Mar 12 19:56:20 when it closes Mar 12 19:56:33 serp_: Sort of need to be to keep it closed :( Mar 12 19:56:38 There's not really a win there Mar 12 19:56:39 ? I love that definite *clunk* Mar 12 19:56:47 yea but can lose a finger Mar 12 19:57:00 :D Mar 12 19:57:11 that just makes it dangerous and exciting Mar 12 19:57:28 bear trap/finger trap :D Mar 12 19:57:48 the gemini leads to constipation Mar 12 19:57:55 other phones might explode on you, but this one will also eat your fingers Mar 12 19:58:02 and stop you from shitting, apparently Mar 12 19:58:09 * DaPol2 works on motorbike and car engines - I have developed the "Keep fingers clear of the scissoring thing" reflex. Mar 12 19:58:42 Having owned an HP TC1100 sorta helped with that Mar 12 19:58:55 constipation? Mar 12 19:59:15 echicken: Butt clenching when you close it incase it catches your fingers :) Mar 12 19:59:22 heh Mar 12 20:00:42 * DaPol2 once got a multi-kilovolt zap from a phone Mar 12 20:00:47 Sony Ericsson W750 Mar 12 20:00:54 the one with the xenon flash for the camera Mar 12 20:01:13 Yeah - drop it hard, be careful if trying to use the camera.... Mar 12 20:03:59 Now, do I go one the OESF forums and start whinging because they haven't ported Slackware/Mint/FreeBSD/Solaris/OpenVMS/VM360 to the Gemini yet, and where's my OS/2 dammit? Mar 12 20:04:55 Actually, that's scary - I think the thing actually has more CPU grunt than the Enterprise 10000 I used to be responsible for Mar 12 20:05:11 that had 64x450MHz UltraSPARC II CPUs Mar 12 20:05:29 where the gemini "only" has 10 x 2.6GHz cores Mar 12 20:06:25 Anyway - laters Mar 12 20:38:56 DaPol2, later mate, sorry was kinda showering and trying to keep hidden from my daughter who is refusing to sleep Mar 12 21:28:37 DaPol2: There'll never be OS/2 for a RISC chip. I know people who lost their jobs learning that. Mar 12 21:46:30 however, the cp/m port is almost finished. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 13 03:00:03 2018