**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 15 03:00:02 2018 Mar 15 08:41:19 depscribe[m]: i'm still hoping to run linux desktop on sailfish, that would give benefits of both at the same time Mar 15 08:41:45 discussed it with one sailfish developer and he agrees it should work quite easily Mar 15 08:42:35 either full desktop as an app or separate gui apps on sailfish Mar 15 09:07:01 cos-: Please tell how it goes when you try. If it works well that would be the way I might want to configure it too. Mar 15 09:07:30 Best of both worlds and sailfish as somewhat working support for android apps too. Mar 15 09:49:38 razumihin: yep.. but i don't even have my gemini yet Mar 15 09:50:28 Yeah, didn't it ship already though? Mar 15 11:23:16 razumihin: i got the tracking e-mail, but it's not even in hermes' system yet. i heard someone else is in same situation. Mar 15 11:24:30 hermes' system won't update for ages, it sometimes takes several days Mar 15 11:24:53 (seems to happen when the tracking numbers are bulk generated) Mar 15 11:25:17 (also, we may order far too much random stuff to have that kind of experience as a general consumer...) Mar 15 11:40:02 The Hermese system is slow because PC will order a collect, but Hermes will generate the consignment number when the collect is ordered, but PC then need to apply the labels to all of the boxes and then get them collected, so you normally order the collect many days in advance, apply the label and then it gets picked up - after that you'll get an update about every 2 days until it arrives. Mar 15 13:12:44 " Current Status: Hub Trailer Via Sorter Mar 15 13:12:45 The delivery date of your parcel should be no later than 17/03/2018 " Mar 15 13:13:25 sounds like it'll be here tomorrow Mar 15 18:13:24 am kinda tempted with the GPD win2 Mar 15 18:13:40 I believe it can run linux, but not sure about dual booting Mar 15 18:14:49 steve-marinos: why not? it has UEFI, so just install GRUB or switch from UEFI Mar 15 18:15:12 Yes true am reading the specs Mar 15 18:15:16 and it got SSD Mar 15 18:16:31 and a bit tempted to keep the windows to play ark survival Mar 15 18:16:54 at the moment i have no PC or laptop that runs it Mar 15 18:17:51 if this thing do run it than I might have a lot of convincing for the wife :D Mar 15 18:18:51 * M.2 SSD 128GB, Replaceable, No Capacity Ceiling Mar 15 19:11:51 https://www.facebook.com/groups/1774620199505688/permalink/1808128046154903/ Mar 15 19:12:31 My honest thoughts so far on Mike Halsey post on FB, steve marinos reply Mar 15 19:20:00 > https://www.facebook.com/groups/1774620199505688/permalink/1808128046154903/ Mike Halsey So come on then, be honest (but fair), what really annoys you about the Gemini? Mar 15 19:20:00 People can try Linux now though, so long as they don't mind an Alpha build. Mar 15 19:20:01 https://support.planetcom.co.uk/index.php/Linux_Support Mar 15 20:25:52 how hard the linux support can be.. they demoed debian on videos months ago Mar 15 20:27:25 Refining drivers can always be pain. It is not just a question about running linux , linux will run on a toaster if you want it to.. but will it run WELL. For that you need proper memory managment threading and GPU acceleration Mar 15 20:27:45 cos-: They then paused it to fix the Android side, better to have one side more complete than both part way... Mar 15 20:29:10 That too.. but like I say the Debian build is up there if anyone wants to try it. But I suspect it will land as a completed build about the same time Sailfish does.. Mar 15 20:31:25 Yes I believe sailfish is the 1st runner up next to android at this stage Mar 15 20:32:15 unless we see more devices in the hand on the backers, specially ones with hard linux core development like TheKit[m] it is gonna be a long ride for debian Mar 15 20:34:03 and the mediatek ship is not much to our side on this, too much work for porting Mar 15 20:38:08 what am starting to notice is, as if PC wanted to attract the crowds from all sides which eventually will make a hit in todays market and so far not so good, we have everything half worked or in the process that even they failed to deliver "so far" what is essential to this device a working keyboard Mar 15 20:40:31 I think we jsut need for some reasl devices to land in a few chosen hands and it will take off. Trouble is , and PC have been very open about this, they could not give any development board out or test because the design has itterated so many times in just a few months.. Mar 15 20:42:00 For myself I am quite happy to wait a little bit for the software to mature. and once I have the device will put debian on it and start giving feedback. That is what i ddi with Ubuntu Touch, Ubports , Sailfish X so I will do the same with Gemni Mar 15 20:45:20 even right now with kinda disappointment and lack of confidence am still hoping for the best for both PC and us Mar 16 02:12:46 amusing: i spent much of thursday honing my skills by flashing ubuntu 13.04 onto a 2012 asus nexus 7. i had forgotten how thoroughly i hate the unity desktop. and of course all the repositories 404 and i have no idea where they may be archived. so what i have is what i'm stuck with. Mar 16 02:12:47 but i learned one thing. no matter how incomplete the debian technology preview is, it can't be any worse than ubuntu on a nexus 7. Mar 16 02:25:13 depscribe: You might want to try pointing to here Mar 16 02:25:13 http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ Mar 16 02:26:47 https://askubuntu.com/questions/502413/archive-repository-for-ubuntu-12-10#502420 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 16 03:00:02 2018