**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 10 03:00:03 2018 Apr 10 07:35:25 TheKit: on last try i did everything exactly as documented on geminiplanet about flashing the android+linux image. previously it worked, so i suppose something in my phone is now in different state. Apr 10 07:36:42 my guess would be that the recovery partition is in broken state and is not reflashed by the image. Apr 10 08:47:48 cos-: Just to check you've tried all three key combinations on booting and are getting the dead android instead of linux? (ie no power plugged in, (1) hold on switch till bzz, release (2) hold silver+on switch till bzz, release on, release silver on tux-splash screen (3) hold on till splash screen) Apr 10 08:49:01 adam_b: yep, tried all those. 1) boots to android, others to dead android Apr 10 08:49:56 thats odd, but then your android stopping was odd in the first place Apr 10 08:51:00 can you still flash the first thing you tried (ie planet instructions) Apr 10 08:52:07 last thing i tried was to flash the android+linux image as instructed Apr 10 08:52:21 it worked on first time Apr 10 08:54:32 suspect you might have to contact planet for advice Apr 10 08:54:53 yep, i think i'll write a mail Apr 10 08:55:14 include the full story inc that you got into problems before you tried the linux flash tool Apr 10 08:56:47 probably there is a way to do a "factory reset" to the device. luckily flashing process works fine so it's not bricked. Apr 10 12:07:52 cos-, no Apr 10 12:08:34 "dead Android" can be displayed only by recovery Apr 10 12:08:45 so I'm not sure why it tries to boot recovery partition then Apr 10 12:09:19 maybe holding esc boots it Apr 10 12:09:59 side key also boots it? Apr 10 12:11:04 maybe the linux is booted via recovery if esc is held, and recovery ui if esc+side key are pressed Apr 10 12:11:09 have you surely flashed lk (bootloader) partition from Android+Linux package? did you try to flash Android-only before? Apr 10 12:11:34 no, recovery and linux_boot are different partitions Apr 10 12:11:35 all checkboxes were selected in the flash tool Apr 10 12:13:04 and mode was firmware upgrade? Apr 10 12:13:07 cos-: you have to leave go of the esc key pritty quick on the buzz of it turning on for the more recent flashing or it'll got ot recovery Apr 10 12:13:33 TheKit: yes Apr 10 12:14:21 adam_b: to boot to linux you need to hold esc until the planet boot screen is displayed. afaik recovery requires the same + side key to be held Apr 10 12:14:59 well try it, thats not what I do with my device, and there is chat about that changing depending on whether you downloaded before/after 6th march Apr 10 12:15:28 Davide planned to switch booting recovery and Linux, so Power+Side for Linux Apr 10 12:15:36 and holding Power for recovery Apr 10 12:15:50 adam_b: it boots to android if i do that Apr 10 12:15:54 for me I hold the silver side button till i get the tux splash screen and the esc key till it goes bzz, but if i hold esc as smidge longer it goes to recovery (dead android) Apr 10 12:17:48 cos-: you get android with holding the silver side button, thats a new one Apr 10 12:18:06 adam_b: no, android by releasing on when bzz Apr 10 12:18:29 no keep that one pressed till tux splash, relese exc pdq on the buzz Apr 10 12:19:16 i'll have to try that Apr 10 12:19:43 the docs say: Apr 10 12:19:44 Android: by holding down the ESC key for a few seconds, until the device vibrates Apr 10 12:19:47 Linux: hold down ESC until after vibrate and only release 1-2 seconds after screen turns on Apr 10 12:19:50 TWRP: hold down silver side button + ESC until 1-2 seconds after screen turns on (this may be different for some international variants of the Gemini) Apr 10 12:20:05 those are pre mar6 instructions Apr 10 12:20:28 and not what my device responds to Apr 10 12:20:42 this is dated 7. april https://geminiplanet.com/2018/04/07/how-to-install-debian-linux-on-the-gemini/ Apr 10 12:21:12 I did mention it to the author of said instructions on Telegram but he declined to correct them as its now how it works for him Apr 10 12:21:28 oh, ok. Apr 10 12:21:29 I presume he downloaded prior to 6th march Apr 10 12:21:35 where are the up to date docs? Apr 10 12:22:15 I'm just updating the android side stuff to show gemini at local hackerspace, i'll try the other combinations when it's finished Apr 10 12:22:38 I'm suggesting you try what works for me just to see if those are wrong instructions for a current download Apr 10 12:25:47 agreed Apr 10 12:35:56 they changed the functionality of the buttons this early? Apr 10 12:40:15 adam_b: looks like you are correct. i booted to linux by holding side key and pressing on untill bzz Apr 10 12:40:37 yea those instructions need updating Apr 10 12:40:41 cos-: great! Apr 10 12:40:53 such valuable information Apr 10 12:48:02 i'll try booting to recovery next Apr 10 12:48:22 cos-: that is the dead android you've already done that Apr 10 12:50:38 yes, true Apr 10 12:54:09 is the dead android what is expected to happen if i boot to recovery on stock android+linux image? Apr 10 12:54:41 yea thats why people swap it for that other one Apr 10 13:01:44 does anyone here know how to flash the twrp recovery? it also has conflicting instructions Apr 10 13:29:48 timings in holding buttons... error-prone. Could it be holding a subset of buttons, just like that? 2 buttons == 4 options, 3 buttons == 8 options. Apr 10 14:02:59 ok i got reply from gemini Apr 10 14:03:15 "flashing TWRP works OK, but as soon as you boot Android, it will detect that the recovery image is changed and it will flash the original recovery.img. The original recovery will display a "no command screen". Sounds like this is what happens to you." Apr 10 14:03:26 "You might want to flash TWRP and then immediately reboot into recovery mode to access it." Apr 10 14:03:42 "The flash tool for Windows available at support.planetcom.co.uk has some safety aspects built in, for example it does not allow to use the "Format All" option, which will remove the IMEI number from the device. We would love to release a Linux version too and we are working on it, but it's still not ready yet." Apr 10 14:06:47 wow Apr 10 14:07:03 maybe that could have been written somewhere Apr 10 14:07:16 "don't try to replace the recovery" Apr 10 14:07:23 so, looks like linux flashing should work, and i'll need to go straight to recovery after installing twrp Apr 10 14:09:18 i flashed only recovery with download mode, it says "PMT changed for the ROM; it must be downloaded. Apr 10 14:09:21 Please select "Format All + Download" scene and try again" Apr 10 14:09:28 not sure what it means Apr 10 14:11:26 nope, can't get to twrp Apr 10 14:14:15 cos-: I think you have to flash the entire device with the twrp swapped in for the recovery bit? Apr 10 14:17:12 adam_b: i suppose so Apr 10 14:17:38 it would be great to be able to flash just selected partitions Apr 10 14:20:04 adam_b: do you mean with the dual boot android/debian firmware? Apr 10 14:21:09 cos-: http://support.planetcom.co.uk/index.php/Flashing_Guide In particular, never use the “Format all + download“ option in the SP Flash Tool as this erases key information stored in the NVRAM partition and can lead to a non-functional device. Apr 10 14:23:58 yep Apr 10 14:48:23 notice: OESF is temporarily down due to some issues on our hosting service, they'll be hopefully fixed soon. Apr 10 14:51:02 I imagine they have been getting a lot more traffic recently compared to what they were getting for a while, after the zaurus activity died down a bit. Apr 10 14:52:31 https://www.engadget.com/2018/04/10/gemini-pda-review-we-ve-come-a-long-way-since-keyboards/ Apr 10 14:53:39 journalists... Apr 10 14:53:58 get your journalist card at the fair! Apr 10 14:56:41 Captain_Harlock: yes, OESF is getting quite a lot of more traffic compared to last year, but this increase is negligible compared to the total traffic our host is getting daily Apr 10 14:56:59 Ah okay. Apr 10 14:57:41 As for the reported issues with the space bar, I would how complicated it would be to add additional buttons under the space bar, and wire them together. Apr 10 14:58:12 host's latest update: "we found a thing that definitely works but does a thing that we definitely don’t want." heh Apr 10 14:58:33 Captain_Harlock[: they have a metal leaver that makes both sides work together, its fine if your keyboard is properly assembled Apr 10 14:58:58 Ooh okay. makes sense. Apr 10 14:59:48 I wasn't ever really active on OESF, but I read through a good chunk of the forums before and after I got my sl-c860 :) Apr 10 15:02:54 I was also just a lurker in the first few years, my original account was even deleted after a couple of years because of inactivity :P Apr 10 15:25:51 "... and it will flash the original recovery.img" :( Apr 10 15:27:06 plus, IMEI is somewhere on the flash, and the default instruction is NOT to provide for/make a backup? WTF? Apr 10 15:29:07 (apart from being totally surprised that IMEI is thus editable, plusmines checksums and whatnot) Apr 10 15:29:27 Kero: the instructions planet provides should work, right? Apr 10 15:29:59 proper instructions help you with recovery when you make a mistake. Apr 10 15:30:10 recovery would be re-flashing it Apr 10 15:30:38 Being able to reflash what was flashed in the factory seems... a common, wise recovery option. Apr 10 15:33:32 get back to square one, try again. Apr 10 15:34:27 do you mean if you follow planet's instructions, you couldn't do that? Apr 10 15:39:03 IMEI on flash is a noob error. The old Galaxy Nexus had the same. Wrong flash = duff device Apr 10 15:40:26 Status update from our host: https://answers.ibiblio.org/questions/2294/is-ibiblio-down-is-there-a-storage-problem.html Apr 10 15:45:24 actually the nvram partition backup has been documented here: http://support.planetcom.co.uk/index.php/Flashing_Guide Apr 10 15:45:30 imei is in there Apr 10 16:27:55 backing up 1 partition != backing up all the flash Apr 10 16:35:16 cos-, from Linux/rooted Android, you can flash recovery by just dd Apr 10 16:35:53 in Linux: dd if=recovery.img of=/dev/disk/by-partlabel/recovery Apr 10 16:36:31 TheKit: is it true that booting regular Android will splat that with an android recovery if it detects its not the case? (as per above comment from Davide) Apr 10 16:37:25 if Android is not rooted, it will overwrite TWRP with stock recovery on boot, yes Apr 10 16:37:30 or from 'gemini' as per how cos wrote it Apr 10 16:37:44 if it's rooted and verity is disabled, TWRP can prevent itself from being overwritten Apr 10 16:37:45 interesting Apr 10 16:37:53 TheKit: ack, need to try that Apr 10 16:39:48 i did make the NVRAM backup with imei & etc before any flashing.. but afaik there's no instructions how to flash it back if something goes too much wrong Apr 10 16:44:37 I think you can restore it by flashing it back to nvram partition Apr 10 16:54:36 but good that that bit is at least in the instructions. Retracting "wtf" ;) Apr 10 18:08:58 OESF now back to normal, thanks for your patience Apr 10 18:22:15 oesf is back online Apr 10 18:22:33 whoops, already wrote that :) Apr 10 18:49:06 Anyone got any news on the batches? Are the production runs up and going? Apr 10 19:26:32 Supposedly, there is a batch in production. According to my order tracker, it claims that my unit is being produced. That was last updated on th 23rd of March. I had an email exchange before that confirming mine would be in the next batch, and that it was starting production slowly. Apr 10 19:26:52 My order is in the 16** range. Apr 10 19:26:58 i am overwhelmingly glad that you guys are getting all this sorted out so that there will be a howto for flashing the gemini that even i can understand by the time i get mine (supposedly next month, though i take that to mean only not this month). Apr 10 20:19:50 depscribe[m]: of course the best would be that planet updates their wiki to be with actual info Apr 10 20:44:10 akik (IRC): of course. though i have to say that i would put more trust in thekit and adam_b and what they know and will be discovering! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Apr 11 03:00:03 2018