**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 17 03:00:02 2018
May 17 08:07:17 <ptotter[m]> http://planetcom.co.uk:8080/index.jsp - weekly updates, last updated two weeks ago...
May 17 08:30:39 <kilobyte> I think there were only two updates within the lifetime of that database
May 17 10:46:33 <canny[m]> kilobyte: yeah, so much for weekly updates on the tracker
May 17 10:47:53 <kilobyte> it's not like there's new info to put there -- the factory has new runs only so often
May 17 10:48:39 <canny[m]> well my order has been in a locked state now for a few weeks but no movement...sigh
May 17 10:50:32 <kilobyte> I have yet to back a tech kickstartery project that did not have several months of delay
May 17 10:50:51 <devyl[m]> mine is still not locked (germany, 17xx) >.<
May 17 10:52:06 <canny[m]> devyl: I suspect this is down to the Deutsche keyboard, more than anything else...
May 17 11:37:28 <devyl[m]> yeah i think so
May 17 11:39:19 <devyl[m]> i'm working on a beginner howto for scripting with Termux and Turbo Editor with bash... i recompiled the lastest version of TE and preconfigured it... do someone want to test?
May 17 11:40:17 <devyl[m]> for the moment the howto is german only... never the less i could test the recompiled version of TE only in emulator (and raspberry pi 3 ^^)
May 17 12:17:18 <Captain_Harlock[> devyl: I can test it on the Gemini if you would like.
May 17 12:20:15 <devyl[m]> check
May 17 12:23:40 <devyl[m]> i've send you a link :)
May 17 12:49:41 <ali1234> hmm http://i.imgur.com/lfDyCNj.png
May 17 12:52:19 <VartiWork> is that a scratch on your Gemini?
May 17 12:52:41 <ali1234> yes. it came like that
May 17 12:53:14 <ali1234> with the dust as well
May 17 12:56:35 <ali1234> is it normal that it boots up in german> it's supposed to be a UK one
May 17 13:00:57 <leinir> Huh... are you in Germany?
May 17 13:01:01 <ali1234> no
May 17 13:01:35 <leinir> Terribly odd...
May 17 13:01:56 <leinir> my UK one booted right into English, at least
May 17 13:04:00 <ali1234> the keyboard settings for vibration dont appear to work
May 17 13:04:49 <leinir> Someone reported it took a little time to have an effect
May 17 13:07:20 <VartiWork> https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=34768
May 17 13:07:31 <VartiWork> "In the Keyboard app, preferences like vibration feedback, sounds, etc. won't work or stick (take affect) until after rebooting the device immediately after applying keyboard preferences."
May 17 13:10:52 <cos-> ali1234: have you updated the apps with play store?
May 17 13:10:57 <ali1234> no
May 17 13:11:32 <ali1234> i literally got it 30 minutes ago :)
May 17 13:11:57 <VartiWork> hehe congrats then
May 17 13:22:57 <depscribe[m]> ali1234 (IRC): mine, u.s., defaulted yo german, too. touch the language in the firsy screen and select english from the list that drops down.
May 17 13:25:12 <cos-> maybe faq questions, but 1) is there a way to disable the app bar showing when phone is unlocked and 2) is there a way to unlock the phone when it's opened (the swipe to open is useless)
May 17 13:30:06 <cos-> i also switched from chrome (annoying translator bar popup+closed source) to fennec (annoying autozoom on forms) as browser. it's not possible to remove chrome, only disable.
May 17 13:31:45 <Captain_Harlock[> I haven't found a way to disable the app bar from appearing, it is annoying. You can disable the lock screen, but I haven't found a way to disable the swipe.
May 17 13:32:27 <cos-> android world sucks in so many ways..
May 17 13:33:17 <Captain_Harlock[> It really does. Once the Linux side of things are more ready, I don't intend to use android at all.
May 17 13:40:10 <Captain_Harlock[> Has anyone found a decent file manager? I have FX, but it doesn't support the keyboard at all.
May 17 13:40:27 <Captain_Harlock[> (for android)
May 17 13:40:40 <ali1234> do you think that will ever happen? the rpi foundation are backed by broadcom, have all the hardware documentation, and shipped 14 million units, and they still dont have an accelerated gpu driver after six years
May 17 13:43:49 <ali1234> (they are getting close now, there's a beta you can turn on...)
May 17 13:46:39 <devyl[m]> what about ghost commander, Captain_Harlock ?
May 17 13:47:00 <Captain_Harlock[> I guess it depends on my definition of more ready. I am not as concerned about the gpu as proper keyboard mapping, wifi support, and maybe the ability to place a phone call.
May 17 13:47:30 <ali1234> well, rpi doesn't have a keyboard or a phone :)
May 17 13:51:12 <Captain_Harlock[> devyl, just tried it, and it does work with the keyboard.
May 17 13:51:30 <devyl[m]> :)
May 17 14:00:51 <cos-> perhaps fennec will get this fixed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1462347
May 17 14:04:44 <ali1234> how do i make the home screen be portrait?
May 17 14:09:42 <ali1234> ah found it
May 17 14:10:35 <depscribe[m]> Captain_Harlock: you're having issues with wifi under gemini? works perfectly here -- i'm mostly waiting for telephony, but i'm finding it perfectly usable as a tiny computer with very tiny fonts.
May 17 14:12:04 <Captain_Harlock[> On Linux, when I last tested, only 2.4ghz worked. In my apartment complex, there are so many 2.4ghz APs that it is unusable.
May 17 14:23:05 <depscribe[m]> Captain_Harlock: ah. out here in the country i have the opposite problem -- no cellular service. so i can't test it. on my blackberry i have cellular-over-wifi from tmobile, but i don't dare imagine that that will ever work on the gemini under linux.
May 17 14:27:56 <Captain_Harlock[> Ah, I see. I visit the in-laws frequently on the weekends, and they live in the middle of nowhere. The Blackberry Priv has had the best reception of any phone so far. it gets 1 bar some of the time. I am intending to test the gemini, but don't expect it to be better.
May 17 14:32:06 <depscribe[m]> Priv is not a real Blackberry.
May 17 14:32:43 <depscribe[m]> It's just some Gogledroid thing with a Blackberry sticker.
May 17 14:34:00 <Captain_Harlock[> Maybe, maybe not, it is certainly the best android device I've used, and the keyboard is definitely a blackberry keyboard.
May 17 14:35:04 <depscribe[m]> What made Blackberry great was the OS and in large measure the security. Neither of which can be said for what replaced it.
May 17 14:39:15 <regtools> and the keyboard
May 17 14:40:50 <depscribe[m]> When the Blackberry was in its heyday there were a lot of smartphones/feature phones that had keyboards.
May 17 14:41:42 <regtools> all relatively minor
May 17 14:42:12 <regtools> I always wanted a palm pre but got bored of waiting for release
May 17 14:43:57 <Captain_Harlock[> I had a pre3
May 17 14:44:25 <Captain_Harlock[> great little device. My only complaint was the lack of expandable storage.
May 17 14:45:21 <coolty> i have an hp veer
May 17 14:45:37 <coolty> it's so widdle
May 17 14:52:14 <canny[m]> As CeCe Peniston once sung:  Finally it has happened to me!  just got a Planet Computers email saying my order has been dispatched....woohoo!
May 17 15:14:14 <akik> what a comment on indiegogo :)
May 17 15:14:16 <akik> Andy Pugh
May 17 15:14:16 <akik> 4 hours ago
May 17 15:14:16 <akik> It’s here! I only have one complaint, it doesn’t smell right :-)
May 17 16:37:43 <canny[m]> akik: What does it smell like?  (and don't say: success!)
May 17 16:38:33 <akik> canny[m]: no idea, haven't received it yet
May 17 16:40:25 <Zevv> not a mix of benzine and trichloromethane, apparently
May 17 16:40:59 <akik> canny[m]: that comment was from andy pugh
May 17 16:42:09 <canny[m]> aah, gotcha, akik I'll let you know tomorrow, if mine actually arrives tomorrow.  I have a very vivid sensory memory of how my first Psion smelled, and it was like that new car smell....
May 17 17:29:13 <ali1234> how do i get to fastboot?
May 17 17:35:59 <Captain_Harlock[> Press and hold the power button, plus the voice assistant button, I think.
May 17 17:36:17 <ali1234> isn't that how you boot linux?
May 17 17:59:39 <depscribe[m]> this is peculiar: today after usual upgrade in linux i closed the cover. some time later i heard a series of very quiet clicks, one every few seconds. i opened the gemini and was presented with the android login screen. first time this has happened; no idea if it is connected with the upgrade.
May 17 18:11:11 <ali1234> power + button does something, but it isn't fastboot
May 17 18:57:04 <ali1234> how do i make it stay in the mediatek bootloader?
May 17 18:57:37 <ali1234> "MT65xx Preloader" when it appears as an ACM device?
May 17 18:58:02 <ali1234> as soon as i plug it in to the computer it enumerates as that, then immediately goes to charging mode where you can't access it
May 17 19:00:54 <ali1234> i hope someone figures out how to flash a normal bootloader onto this soon
May 17 19:12:52 <MrDBT> anyone interested in buying a UK-version Gemini for £430 delivered? unopened, with factory seal
May 17 19:13:02 <MrDBT> 4g+wifi version
May 17 19:25:55 <ali1234> okay, power + button takes you to recovery. now why doesn't the recovery actually function?
May 17 20:01:30 <ali1234> oh fun, it's stuck in DA mode
May 17 20:04:51 <ali1234> well i guess this is a good time to figure out how to remove the battery
May 17 20:19:45 <ali1234> okay i got the back off. how do i unplug the battery?
May 17 20:28:06 <adam_b> ali1234: probably easier to just press the power button for 20+seconds rather than taking the battery out
May 17 20:28:27 <ali1234> i tried that, it didn't help
May 17 20:28:49 <adam_b> pluggin it in to charger?
May 17 20:28:57 <ali1234> yes
May 17 20:29:05 <adam_b> what have you done to it?
May 17 20:29:08 <ali1234> it it stuck in BROM/DA mode
May 17 20:29:29 <ali1234> i attempted to back up the NVRAM
May 17 20:30:28 <ali1234> this is what the flash tool said: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ccQyXwYKgT/
May 17 20:30:45 <ali1234> it now will not respond to any buttons, and will not enumerate on USB
May 17 20:31:06 <ali1234> it's still running though, because it is generating heat
May 17 20:31:34 <ali1234> it's stuck inside the 2nd stage bootloader with no way to get out
May 17 20:31:45 <ali1234> so it is soft bricked until the power runs out
May 17 20:32:00 <ali1234> why oh why can't people just use fastboot?
May 17 20:33:14 <ali1234> or you know, supply a recovery image that actually works
May 17 20:38:09 <ali1234> okay, it seems like when it is stuck in the 2nd stage, you have to hold power + button to break out
May 17 20:59:13 <ali1234> okay... linux boots
May 17 20:59:33 <ali1234> ... to a black screen
May 17 20:59:55 <ali1234> i did see a penguin tho, so i've got that going for me
May 17 21:00:15 <adam_b> yea if you've got that working then you can reflash with a good image
May 17 21:00:16 <ali1234> ah there it goes... it just takes a long time
May 17 21:00:25 <adam_b> yea first boot is way slow
May 17 21:00:43 <ali1234> why does the screen have round corners?
May 17 21:00:51 <adam_b> yea madness
May 17 21:02:51 <ali1234> i figured it was just a software thing
May 17 21:02:55 <ali1234> guess not
May 17 21:04:34 <TheKit> it's not
May 17 21:29:56 <ali1234> i crashed it on the login screen just by pressing tab and enter
May 17 21:46:00 <ali1234> the function key doesn't work in linux
May 17 21:47:58 <ali1234> lol you have to enter your password to shut down
May 17 21:49:01 <ali1234> i know this is designed after a device from 1997 but i think that is taking the retro aesthetic a bit too far
May 17 21:50:48 <adam_b> ali1234: the linux you download is still the original version, theres a bunch of stuff to update and its a lot more usable
May 17 21:55:48 <ali1234> how do i update it?
May 17 21:58:03 <ali1234> wifi doesn't appear to work
May 17 21:58:52 <ali1234> connman says "1 Found, 0 Powered"
May 17 21:59:04 <ali1234> and "Connect" button is disabled
May 17 21:59:32 <adam_b> have to power it and select the other tab to pick a wifi network and then connect
May 17 22:00:04 <ali1234> hmm. no 5g support on linux?
May 17 22:00:25 <ali1234> can only see my 2.4ghz access point
May 17 22:00:34 <adam_b> ali1234: its early days
May 17 22:01:02 <ali1234> the connection dialog is too tall for the screen so i can't clock okay :/
May 17 22:01:11 <adam_b> hold alt and drag it up
May 17 22:02:56 <ali1234> "apt update" says "error writing to output file - (no space left on device)"
May 17 22:03:13 <adam_b> you are aware there is a hole howto to follow
May 17 22:03:17 <ali1234> oh, i have to resize it, okay
May 17 22:04:04 <ali1234> i guess this is going to require ssh since i can't type any command with '-' in it
May 17 22:04:13 <adam_b> also in the howto
May 17 22:04:50 <ali1234> it's been a long time since i had to deal with a linux install this complicated
May 17 22:04:52 <adam_b> (usb or wifi are possible to ssh in)
May 17 22:05:06 <adam_b> ali1234: if you want it simpler then come back in a couple of months
May 17 22:09:12 <ali1234> i dont suppose this image has avahi-daemon installed?
May 17 22:09:34 <adam_b> all of debian is available
May 17 22:10:08 <ali1234> yes, after you obtain an ssh login :)
May 17 22:10:15 <ali1234> i'll just look in the router
May 17 22:10:39 <adam_b> the second tab in cmst has the details of the wifi, so that gives you ip address to ssh into
May 17 22:11:02 <adam_b> or you can plugin to usb on a linux box and the ip for sshing in then is in the DebianTP howto page
May 17 22:12:15 <ali1234> "ssh localhost.lan" also works
May 17 22:13:16 <adam_b> from itself to itself? I thought you were trying to ssh into it from outside so you had a full keyboard?
May 17 22:14:47 <adam_b> you can probably also just use 'apt' rather than apt-get and do it entirely from the device
May 17 22:17:57 <ali1234> "ssh localhost.lan" also works
May 17 22:18:42 <ali1234> can i just roll my own ext4 filesystem and flash it with the flash tool?
May 17 22:30:21 <ali1234> these are my notes so far: https://github.com/ali1234/gemini-stuff
May 17 22:50:53 <ali1234> they released the flash tool source as well? cool
May 17 23:18:13 <ali1234> after updating shutdown doesnt work at all. it just freezes
May 17 23:28:56 <depscribe[m]> ali1234 (IRC): it takes a while. give it a few minutes. you did apt-get upgrade after update, right?
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