**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 26 03:00:03 2018 May 26 05:45:50 Wow, didn't expect it at all but my Gemini arrived today. It's beautiful. But does anyone know if Connectivity Kits are supposed to be shipped separately? May 26 05:48:47 Mine was added on via email so I'd totally understand if they've not shipped it, but if that's normal then I won't bother them about it May 26 06:46:31 depscribe, do you mean GPU driver or accelerated video decoding? May 26 06:47:22 anyway, what's done is already on gemian repos, no hidden stuff behind the curtains regarding Debian I assume May 26 09:29:26 lol May 26 09:32:08 if you're lucky, TP2 might have all the standard command line tools correctly installed and a correctly configured user account May 26 09:32:24 if you're really lucky it might even have a script to resize the partition on first boot May 26 09:42:18 git cross reference update: 42027 files scanned, 706 modified outside history, ~6300 new files, 68468 lines minimum diff... i think something has gone wrong :( May 26 09:44:22 nope... it's caused by drivers/misc/mediatek. that whole subdirectory is completely new May 26 09:45:02 hmm i forgot to add android-mediatek May 26 12:44:37 ali1234: are there any repos tracking where gemini debian differs from mainline debian? is it just some custom packages installed on top, or a some base packages changed? May 26 12:45:13 no idea May 26 12:45:37 gemian uses libhybris and it includes a ~1GB system.img with all the android drivers May 26 12:45:45 huh May 26 12:45:45 so it is obviously very different from mainline May 26 12:46:25 I'd prefer to have something very mainline, and add packages on top, instead of now yet another blob that looks like debian… May 26 12:47:31 it is debian May 26 12:47:34 uses the debian repos May 26 12:47:52 it's just very very hacked up May 26 12:50:37 got the debian repo location for me? May 26 12:50:44 what do you mean? May 26 12:50:55 as in, you apt sources.list May 26 12:51:17 from inside gemian May 26 12:52:04 i dont have it installed May 26 12:52:15 you can just unpack the root filesystem if you want to look inside it May 26 12:52:28 yes, will do :-) May 26 12:52:51 by default it is ftp.ru.debian.org May 26 12:53:17 no-no, I meant the gemini-specific packages May 26 12:54:16 i'm not sure that is set up inside the image yet May 26 12:54:30 https://github.com/gemian/gemini-keyboard-apps/wiki/DebianRepository May 26 12:55:54 the first link describes a build server, the second one is 404 ;-) May 26 12:56:23 gemian is not a complete working distro yet May 26 12:56:49 it's not even alpha quality May 26 12:57:40 yes, but what does it need? shouldn't a simple additional repo for some gemini-specific binaries and blobs be enough? May 26 12:58:56 i don't know, they have not released the image building scripts afaik May 26 12:59:36 yeah. this would make spotting out differences from mainline much easier May 26 12:59:44 and also adoption for all distros May 26 13:01:05 if dpkg database is intact inside the image it should be trivial to script up a thing that will tell you what is modified May 26 13:01:41 i would do it, but i'm working on the same thing for the kernel May 26 13:14:26 I was looking through the diff of the gemini android kernel and a vanilla kernel of the same version May 26 13:14:33 it gave me a sad :-( May 26 13:15:07 so, multistrap-gemian.list points to http://apt.gka.thinkglobally.org. got a list of all installed packages from the gemini repo May 26 13:15:26 ali1234: should I file a PR to your repo, adding this information somewhere? or is there a wiki where we should document it? May 26 13:15:35 drivers/misc/mediatek indeed seems to be just "haha! let's throw all our unmaintainable shit together!" May 26 13:16:50 rah: a lot of that directory is in android-mediatek repo, which has some kind of history May 26 13:17:24 ali1234: so rebase on top of that repo? May 26 13:17:35 yes, that's the idea May 26 13:17:49 but i dont know yet which commit May 26 13:18:14 getting there though May 26 13:18:36 hang in there :-) May 26 13:19:12 we need a community wiki but i dont want to run it May 26 13:19:19 not sure what exactly the gemian wiki is May 26 13:20:23 you're talking about support.planetcom.co.uk? May 26 13:20:31 this seems to be not open for everybody May 26 13:20:40 that's the planet official wiki May 26 13:20:55 there is also https://github.com/gemian/gemini-keyboard-apps/wiki/ May 26 13:20:55 I'm working on a Gemini Wiki May 26 13:21:25 which should include all the useful info about it May 26 13:22:23 any contribution to it will be welcome, as long as it will be on-topic May 26 13:22:31 Varti: got a link already? May 26 13:22:46 https://www.oesf.org/wiki May 26 13:23:12 but I still need to find a mobile-friendly wiki plug-in May 26 13:23:42 registrations there are still closed, I hope to open it in a couple of days May 26 13:24:47 mediawiki and invision is oldschool :) May 26 13:25:51 we are also switching from invision to mybb, but I need to make sure that the database is correctly converted May 26 13:26:24 as for mediawiki, well I actually didn't think to look for alternatives :) May 26 13:27:43 we had already a MediaWiki-based wiki on OESF, but its database was filled with spambot's registrations and many spamming pages May 26 13:28:18 plus it needed an overhaul, so I decided to start from scratch with a new installation May 26 13:28:32 that's why i dont want to run it... May 26 13:28:44 http://www.oesf.org/old_wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page May 26 13:28:56 heh, it's a lot of work May 26 13:29:33 also: https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=34931&view=findpost&p=285578 May 26 13:30:19 I have setup a QuestyCaptcha and Bad Behaviour, they should manage to keep spambots away May 26 13:31:01 Varti: for the theme: https://github.com/thaider/Tweeki/ May 26 13:31:09 are there any better alternative to MediaWiki btw? I should have checked this earlier I know :( May 26 13:31:16 I'd personally prefer something with markdown May 26 13:31:26 and git :-) May 26 13:31:45 But I understand a web frontend for editing might be necessary to get more people involved May 26 13:31:50 i dont know much about wiki alternatives. i like doscourse for forum software tho May 26 13:31:54 *discource May 26 13:31:58 *discourse May 26 13:32:01 one of those May 26 13:32:33 thanks for the link, I'll take a look at it May 26 13:33:34 yes, we'd need a frontend for editing May 26 13:34:55 Discourse unfortunately requires Ruby, which we don't have installed on our server, we have Apache and PHP only May 26 13:37:07 we could ask for it to be installed, but our host's support service is *very* slow, you need to wait months even to get an answer May 26 13:37:45 but I don't complain, on the other side we are hosted for free with shell access and unlimited bandwidth :) May 26 14:32:55 hi, stupid question: how do I set a custom ringtone on the gemini? audio settings menu only allows for default sounds May 26 15:56:46 I suppose I'm the only one who noticed this.. May 26 15:56:58 the gemini is *much* more sensitive to magnets than my other phones May 26 15:57:14 a normal phone will just go to sleep when exposed to a neodynium magnet May 26 15:57:18 the gemini will reboot May 26 15:57:38 ..and given I regularly keep several neodynium magnets in close proximity to my gemini, I need to be careful May 26 16:40:23 TheKit : I meant GPU driver (or whatever it is that at the moment makes things such as scrolling smoothly in a web browser impossible). May 26 16:40:56 chromium should work for scrolling smoothly with hacks from DebianTP paged May 26 16:41:21 https://github.com/gemian/gemini-keyboard-apps/wiki/DebianTP#speed-up-chromium May 26 16:41:36 *page May 26 16:47:27 right, but it's still not fast by any means, and firefox is pretty slow, too. May 26 16:48:48 btw, in desling with various applications i get an error occasionally that says libwlparser.so is missing. it does not seem to wreck anything, but linux applications apparently look for it. and locate condfirms that it is indeed not there. May 26 16:48:48 https://webglsamples.org/aquarium/aquarium.html - does it work for you? May 26 16:49:26 Firefox can't be helped until Linux version supports GLES and is compiled to use it May 26 16:56:03 it reports 1fps in firefox -- ah, now 3fps. chromium is stuck on 1fps, with the entire page redrawn each time. May 26 17:01:52 somewhere i saw but cannot now find instructions for lowering the brightness on the gemini under linux. it's a commandline thing, i think. the controls in lxqt, best i can tell, are ineffective. May 26 17:12:09 depscribe, something is surely wrong May 26 17:12:17 did you follow instructions on the page I linked? May 26 17:30:57 yes, i did, but i shall again -- i did it first time i realized that chromium was deadly slow. May 26 17:32:47 just in case, try closing all chromium windows, then launch it from terminal with chromium --use-gl=egl from terminal May 26 17:33:00 then go to chrome://gpu May 26 17:35:50 great-- now it has decided it doesn't want to resolve hostnames anymore. May 26 17:37:01 that's weird, but that url should still work :) May 26 17:38:21 gotta give my eyes a rest -- these fonts are *tiny* as you know -- but i'll come back to it in a few minutes. May 26 19:09:16 TheKit : ln: failed to create symbolic link '/usr/lib/chromium/libEGL.so': File exists May 26 19:09:26 that's ok May 26 19:09:43 ln: failed to create symbolic link '/usr/lib/chromium/libGLESv2.so': File exists May 26 19:13:59 what starting chromium gives you? obviously symlinks exist already May 26 19:30:41 i'm trying to paste what comes up when i open it from a terminal and the chat client won't take it. chromium still scrolls *very* slowly. will try the aquarium test now. May 26 19:33:13 still roaring along at 1fps. i'll hand-type the errors from the terminal. May 26 19:36:02 ATTENTION: default value of option force_s3tc_enable overriden by environment. [15483:15483:0526/153110.567630:ERROR:sandbox_linux.cc(346)] InitializeSandbox() called with multiple threads in process gpu-process. May 26 19:43:15 also: May 26 19:43:16 $ Exec=/usr/bin/chromium --use-gl=egl %U May 26 19:43:18 -bash: --use-gl=egl: command not found May 26 19:43:45 and when done sudo: -bash: --use-gl=egl: command not found May 26 19:45:25 depscribe, just close all chromium windows and do chromium --use-gl=egl May 26 19:45:41 Exec= part is to edit .desktop file May 26 19:51:37 yup, which i just did. 30-33fps. much better. probably on the wiki it should say that this is essential for any of this to work. it says "you can tell" when "you must tell" would be better. May 26 19:54:20 now -- from the gemini here -- trying to figure why my brightness keys no longer work. May 26 19:55:01 i use them and the gemini screen gets no dimmer (and i get no brighter!) May 26 19:56:18 anyway, many thanks for chromium fix, May 26 20:55:43 Question: each time I open my gemini, me current app loses focus, I get the desktop with the Gemini bar opened May 26 20:55:47 Is that a setting? May 26 20:56:01 I'd just like to see the screen I left when closing May 26 23:09:40 Does anyone here have any answers for doing split screen without the soft keys? Not that split screen really works all that well May 26 23:10:27 it would be cool if Fn A would simulate a longpress May 26 23:32:18 or you know, just allow longpress to work on Fn A May 27 01:07:34 ...who decided it was a good idea for the 'start menu' (lxqt/kwin) to collapse menus if an entry isn't clicked in 1 second May 27 01:18:10 no idea who thought making the screen rounded, or missing pixels at the bottom, was a good idea either... lol May 27 01:19:00 the latter is extremely frustrating right now because I can't make this terminal not try to occupy that space, and the bottom line is cut off May 27 01:19:36 although this could actually be software because the bottom bar is drawn fine May 27 01:21:16 Right, screw it hopefully the issues will be worked out in future May 27 01:53:19 Is it just mine, or do none of the power-down options work in gemian? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun May 27 03:00:02 2018