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Jun 01 04:31:37 <g3mini[m]> whoops. this is almost certainly a known issue but I should have left the plastic on the screen, the keyboard makes contact with it and leaves a minor scratch
Jun 01 04:36:44 <g3mini[m]> oh, actually the microfibre cloth removed it so not a scratch, but it may scratch in future. they keyboard is really good after getting used to it
Jun 01 07:07:49 <leinir_> g3mini[m]: It doesn't work amazingly well at an angle, but that's absolutely a luxury problem to have with a device which is otherwise just lovely :)
Jun 01 08:34:42 <Omegamoon> crap... it is only now that I realize that arm64 kexec support is completely missing in the 3.18 kernel...
Jun 01 08:47:33 <Omegamoon> would need at least 4.4 kernel to get that working, so no fancy multi boot possible using kexec on the Gemini :(
Jun 01 08:48:24 <munchausen> There was some talk of a newer kernel appearing. Can't remember where I heard that, or what version it was
Jun 01 08:50:45 <devyl[m]> A Oreo Update is planed with a 4.x kernel :) (i think it was in one of the official updates on igg)
Jun 01 08:52:20 <Omegamoon> yes, Oreo needs 4.4 at least
Jun 01 08:54:42 <Omegamoon> 3.18 kernel is EOL, and will get no maintenance after Dec 18
Jun 01 11:10:21 <ali1234> port u-boot
Jun 01 13:40:13 <kilobyte> crap, the vendor kernel does some pretty naughty things with uids/gids within the usual user range (1000ish), hardcoding them for its own purposes
Jun 01 13:40:55 <kilobyte> looks like some temporary nasty hack for Android, but why is it in non-Android kernel too?
Jun 01 13:42:49 <devyl[m]> does the linux use libhybris and needs the android kernel (blobs)?
Jun 01 13:43:01 <kilobyte> does
Jun 01 13:43:32 <kilobyte> it's pretty much some chroot atop of Android rather than a real system on its own
Jun 01 13:45:03 <devyl[m]> so... it needs the vendor kernel with all its naughty stuff ^^
Jun 01 14:26:08 <munchausen> My bamboo tip stylus arrived, and I'm not sure about it to be honest
Jun 01 14:27:11 <munchausen> The end moves up/down to sense pressure. But all I want is a fine tip pointing device, I'm not going to be sketching with it. So I find this slightly annoying
Jun 01 14:27:31 <munchausen> It does work well enough though
Jun 01 19:42:22 <petefoth[m]> Good evening. My Gemini is currently non-functional. I think I need to reflash it, but I don't know which firmware to use. Is it possible to tell from the serial number (SN YGEMINI4G180400146)?
Jun 01 19:42:46 <ali1234> is it wifi only?
Jun 01 19:42:52 <petefoth[m]> Good evening. My Gemini is currently non-functional. I think I need to reflash it, but I don't know which firmware to use. Is it possible to tell from the serial number (SN YGEMINI4G180400146)?
Jun 01 19:43:16 <petefoth[m]> no. 4G
Jun 01 19:43:26 <ali1234> then it is probably X27
Jun 01 19:43:41 <ali1234> but... let me do a bit of research and i'll figure it out
Jun 01 19:43:48 <ali1234> oh, one thing
Jun 01 19:43:53 <ali1234> you have lost the pin right?
Jun 01 19:43:56 <ali1234> so you can see the lock screen?
Jun 01 19:44:00 <petefoth[m]> I thought all the early models were X25
Jun 01 19:44:13 <ali1234> they weren't made in order number order :)
Jun 01 19:44:27 <petefoth[m]> Yes. I set it but must have had finger trouble
Jun 01 19:44:53 <ali1234> on the lock screen, in the top left corner, what does it say?
Jun 01 19:45:12 <ali1234> it should say your network operator and then it might also say NO SERVICE or EMERGENCY CALLS ONLY
Jun 01 19:45:29 <petefoth[m]> Actually, now I am at a screen saying 'To start Android, enter your PIN, so I don't see the normal lock screen
Jun 01 19:45:42 <ali1234> damn
Jun 01 19:46:54 <petefoth[m]> :) Sorry - I tried to reboot into recovery, but only got the 'No command' screen
Jun 01 19:47:09 <ali1234> yes, the factory recovery is crippled
Jun 01 19:47:12 <ali1234> no idea why
Jun 01 19:49:09 <petefoth[m]> What's the worst that happens if I flash the wrong firmware? will I just have to flash again with the correct firmware?
Jun 01 19:49:25 <petefoth[m]> Downloading the X25 firmware is nearly complete
Jun 01 19:49:28 <ali1234> probably but i don't know for sure what will happen
Jun 01 19:49:38 <ali1234> i'd say there is a high chance you have an X27
Jun 01 19:50:28 <ali1234> read this - it explains about how the manufacturing was ordered https://geminiplanet.com/2018/05/31/the-gemini-crowdfunding-campaign-an-analysis/
Jun 01 19:50:58 <petefoth[m]> Thanks.
Jun 01 19:51:02 <petefoth[m]> <me> don's reading glasses
Jun 01 19:51:14 <petefoth[m]> s/'//
Jun 01 19:55:30 <petefoth[m]> Actually, I think I will start by flashing TWRP
Jun 01 19:55:55 <NeKit> petefoth[m], what happened to it though?
Jun 01 19:56:29 <NeKit> if you got it recently, it should be X27 version
Jun 01 19:59:36 <munchausen> Yeah if it arrived in the last 2 or 3 weeks it will be x27
Jun 01 19:59:40 <munchausen> Otherwise, x25
Jun 01 20:00:48 <petefoth[m]> I had finger trouble setting the PIN.
Jun 01 20:00:54 <petefoth[m]> Even though it was an early order number?
Jun 01 20:07:37 <NeKit> if it was sent recently
Jun 01 20:14:05 <ali1234> i was looking at my gemini under UV light and i noticed something weird in the screen. anyone know what it is?
Jun 01 20:14:38 <ali1234> it's impossible to photograph it because of the UV but i will try to draw a picture
Jun 01 20:17:46 <ali1234> basically, if the black rectangle is the screen, there's a thing that reflects UV under it like the purple shape http://i.imgur.com/ec9HBnp.png
Jun 01 20:18:11 <ali1234> my nokia 7 plus which has a very similar screen also does this but none of my other older phones do it
Jun 01 20:22:23 <petefoth[m]> Can I tell the chip version from the info  shown in the flash tool, which says it's MT6797 Version 000ca01?
Jun 01 20:25:05 <ali1234> possibly
Jun 01 20:25:38 <ali1234> i managed to take a picture of the weird thing: https://photos.app.goo.gl/jsvahPSKcXpRoFb99
Jun 01 20:38:39 <petefoth[m]> I now have the Android firmware running again, but I need to restore the NVRAM partition from the backed up version. How do I do that with the flash tool?
Jun 01 23:29:23 <andypugh> My keyboard works, what is he doing wrong?
Jun 01 23:43:07 <dapol2>   
Jun 01 23:57:29 <Captain_Harlock[> andypugh, if you don't do an update, and reboot, non of the special characters work on Linux. It would appear that is what he is complaining about.
Jun 01 23:57:53 <andypugh> Does anyone have a Reddit account to point that out?
Jun 01 23:58:23 <andypugh> (I might have, my name is taken, but probably associated to a defunct email address)
Jun 01 23:59:27 <Captain_Harlock[> I do, if I could remember the login.
Jun 02 00:00:16 <Captain_Harlock[> Someone already responded pointing him to the instructions that walk you through the initial setup for linux.
Jun 02 00:26:25 <tristero> hi, new Gemini owner here. how do you power it off or restart it?
Jun 02 01:05:11 <ali1234> tristero: function + escape
Jun 02 01:05:41 <ali1234> short press is sleep, long press is restart
Jun 02 01:06:00 <ali1234> and if it is completely crashed, hold down the voice button as well
Jun 02 01:06:52 <ali1234> afaik only escape and voice button are the only true hardware gpio buttons
Jun 02 01:07:25 <ali1234> the rest are through a keyboard controller chip so they dont do anything at low level in theory, but some people say function + escape to do a hard reboot
Jun 02 01:44:47 <tristero> ali1234: thanks. I also found the www.oesf.org forum for Gemini, and there's a pinned post with "useful hints"
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