**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jun 04 03:00:00 2018 Jun 04 09:20:22 munchausen, what profile did you choose in pavucontrol? Jun 04 10:23:52 TheKit aha Jun 04 10:24:12 Ok if I set it to output to wired headset or wired headphones it works Jun 04 10:29:17 we would need to wire some autodetection script later, I guess Jun 04 10:57:35 This may be a subject that has been covered before - but have spent some time looking for it and cannot find an answer: What's the state of bluetooth under Linux for gemini? No support at all? I've got Debian to a workable state but want to use one of my (various) BT pointing devices.. Jun 04 11:11:33 Is anybody having issues with this morning's update? I've got my device today... and I was offered that update. Done it with 89% battery (so OK) and now it is stuck to the planet welcome screen with the planets going around forever Jun 04 11:13:07 robertrob: Tried to detect it earlier but my machine wasn't finding it (yet). Will try it again when I'm at home on my own wifi. Jun 04 11:15:55 I've downloaded the OTA update this morning, and installed it... now the Gemini is stuck in the boot animation for about 40mins or so Jun 04 11:17:39 Is anybody having issues with this morning's update? I've got my device today... and I was offered that update. Done it with 89% battery (so OK) and now it is stuck to the planet welcome screen with the planets going around forever Jun 04 11:18:52 that update tool is really something... I think they used Google Translate to translate the messages from Chinese into English Jun 04 11:19:15 has anyone installed update on dual boot system successfully? Jun 04 11:19:17 robertrob[m], same here Jun 04 11:20:27 the boot animation is nice... for a while... but I've seen it long enough by now :P Jun 04 11:20:44 canny: do you know who to enter in the recovery mode and try to just start fresh? factory reset? Jun 04 11:21:44 surprise, got dead android after update Jun 04 11:22:53 cos-: yes, I hear you. same thing here... I'm new to the Gemini since this morning and not sure how to proceed yet Jun 04 11:23:43 probably the updater is too stupid to notice different partition layout and fails to update a dual boot system Jun 04 11:25:27 robertrob: so you have nothing changed? no dual boot, no rooting? Jun 04 11:29:48 robertrob: Jun 04 11:30:03 generally: reflash it :( Jun 04 11:30:07 devyl: nothing yet... Jun 04 11:30:46 I used a unchanged, pristine Android image... no changes made, and the ota update gave me the boot loop Jun 04 11:30:57 thats a real problem if the automatic update crashes factory new geminis O.O Jun 04 11:31:04 devyl: I've tried cleaning the data and cache partition just now, but it didn't work either Jun 04 11:32:35 hmmm like i said, to recover it - and you dont want to dig into the problem - reflash it :( Jun 04 11:34:47 devyl: alright, if there's anything that I might be able to grab (logs, etc) that might help to fix this issue let me know (I've seen some complaint in one of the log file, something about not being able to open /drm device)... kernel/module issue? I will gather all the tools and try to restore the official android Jun 04 12:17:17 Regarding this morning's update, is there any way to loop in Planet Computers about it? Jun 04 12:22:49 Greetings. Was wondering if flashing the Gemini with new firmware will totally undo any setup I've done on the Android portion. Appreciate any replies. Jun 04 12:23:50 if you mean flashing with flasher tool, it'll wipe everything by default. Jun 04 12:23:50 Eventual goal is to install the Debian image, going through the setup steps. Jun 04 12:24:13 Ah, thanks. That'll set me back a bit, but I can understand that. Jun 04 12:24:40 not sure if someone was able to flash only selected partitions to avoid that.. i didn't manage to do that when trying. Jun 04 12:25:13 the wirelessupdate doesn't work on dual boot system so i might have to try to flash with newer image some day. Jun 04 12:25:17 I'm reading through the forums for details, I suppose it was the only way versus trying a boot from a "live" image or somesuch Jun 04 12:25:39 hmm. Perhaps I'm better off waiting ;) Jun 04 12:25:55 They seem to have their hands full updating procedures and things. Jun 04 12:26:12 Appreciate the reply. Jun 04 12:26:16 this is quite poorly documented, or at least i haven't found a definitive guide for flashing without wiping everything.. Jun 04 12:26:32 Yes, the docs are a mess at the moment Jun 04 12:31:17 I got a dispatch mail! Jun 04 12:45:34 I've used LinuxDeploy before on rooted android, maybe that is a better method since I already have the compressed images for Ubuntu/Kali -- I'll have to investigate. Jun 04 12:51:07 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPfi4DOVONM Jun 04 13:34:54 I reflashed Android using the image from Gemini_x27_10052018.zip by the way... not sure if that one is any different from Gemini_Android_1_1_0.zip Jun 04 13:35:27 The filesizes seemed different when I downloaded them. Jun 04 13:36:51 at least it says "Is the latest version" when doing a firmware update scan Jun 04 13:37:33 Android 1_1_0 - 1.28 GB, Gemini x27 - 3.3 GB Jun 04 13:37:42 As long as it works ;) Jun 04 13:39:23 Omegamoon: full reflash or just some partitions? Jun 04 13:40:39 cos- I did a full reflash Jun 04 13:45:40 Gemini_x27_10052018 has sw.version: Planet-Gemini 4G-UK-6M15BD-X600-MT6797-V2.0.0 Jun 04 13:45:40 Gemini_Android_1_1_0 has sw.version: Gemini-X600-UK-6M15DB-Gemini-MT6797-V1.1.0 Jun 04 13:45:51 quite confusing if you ask me :S Jun 04 13:46:55 To be honest, I think I'll wait for the dust to settle before attempting the Linux portion of my install. I love this device, though. Jun 04 13:48:33 oh, here's an important difference: Gemini_Android_1_1_0 has security_patch=2017-11-05 and Gemini_x27_10052018 has security_patch=2018-02-05 Jun 04 13:49:51 so for anyone having to reflash your device, take the firmware from here: http://support.planetcom.co.uk/index.php/Gemini_Firmware Jun 04 13:50:24 and NOT from here: http://support.planetcom.co.uk/index.php/Android_Support Jun 04 13:51:30 the japanese seem to like the gemini Jun 04 13:53:19 The hinge design is especially good. Jun 04 13:54:17 Coming from the Japanese, its high praise. They're the gadget pioneers. Can't tell you how many devices I would have loved to get, but were only in Japan. Jun 04 13:55:22 Janko doesn't understand a word but just smiles :-) Jun 04 13:55:37 Well, that cute translator is helping Jun 04 13:57:15 > Coming from the Japanese, its high praise. They're the gadget pioneers. Can't tell you how many devices I would have loved to get, but were only in Japan. Jun 04 13:57:16 oh, yes... these tiny little UMPCs back in the vista/win7 days *.* for example Jun 04 13:57:53 Yes, plenty of things that were region-specific that couldn't be exported. Such is the life of the gadgeteer ;) Jun 04 13:58:24 the Sharp Zaurus was such a device... Jun 04 13:58:31 loved it! Jun 04 13:59:31 I wonder if I could insert some low-light LEDs embedded in the keyboard mat for some backlighting. Would have to mill the keys or something though. Jun 04 13:59:43 or 3D print new ones to be transmissive Jun 04 14:00:17 or put a usb gooseneck lamp to the side port Jun 04 14:00:22 the second one is the way to go i think Jun 04 14:00:31 True, just was thinking making it a bit easier not to forget something ;) Jun 04 14:00:47 It is easier to use USB of course Jun 04 14:00:55 you won't get enough precision with 3d-printing Jun 04 14:01:07 I'd expect a bit of hand-finishing, yes. Jun 04 14:01:14 Not a weekend project for sure Jun 04 14:01:15 Japanese people have that great attitude towards small tech that it is better than large. Jun 04 14:01:26 Because small and delicate is the most priced. Jun 04 14:01:52 I know, glow in the dark keycap stickers. Brilliant! Jun 04 14:05:43 yeah that seams to be a good idea... hmmm Jun 04 14:06:53 it's a pity they didn't design a "the other half" style connector for the camera etc Jun 04 14:07:18 the hosts asked about that but Janko said it's strictly for the camera Jun 04 14:10:19 just looking at the "One Netbook One Mix" here: https://www.gearbest.com/laptops/pp_1839813.html Jun 04 14:11:00 that device has a nice stylus that might be useful for the Gemini: https://www.gearbest.com/other-laptop-accessories/pp_009291709795.html Jun 04 14:12:08 14.97 EUR if you order it from the Gearbest app :) Jun 04 14:23:04 It has the original gpd pocket keyboard that sucks. Jun 04 14:30:55 lol: Jun 04 14:30:56 Urgent message! Jun 04 14:30:58 Please don't update your Gemini unit until further notice. We have found issues with the latest over-the-air update and we are investigating. Jun 04 14:31:00 Best regards, Jun 04 14:31:02 Team Gemini Jun 04 14:31:29 this is why sailfish has opt-in early adopters who get updates first.. Jun 04 14:32:33 where did you see that message? Jun 04 14:32:47 Update #57 Jun 04 14:32:54 (indiegogo) Jun 04 14:32:58 oh Jun 04 14:34:04 "Please don't update your Gemini unit until further notice. We have found issues with the latest over-the-air update and we are investigating." Jun 04 14:34:10 ruh roh Jun 04 14:34:15 someone should tell them not everyone who has a gemini has an indiegogo account Jun 04 14:35:02 ali1234: you're someone :-) Jun 04 14:35:35 a couple of weeks ago there was a "Wireless Update" available for my Gemini, which I did not install; I checked again a few days later and the update was no longer available. I assume they withdrew it (and should do the same with this one) Jun 04 14:35:51 either that or it auto-installed at some point, which I would not appreciate. Jun 04 14:37:25 > this is why sailfish has opt-in early adopters who get updates first.. Jun 04 14:37:25 yeah... pc should do it the same (since they are such a small team they cant handle real QA...) Jun 04 14:38:19 they do? Jun 04 14:38:21 you are it Jun 04 14:38:43 they've sold what, 5000 devices tops? Jun 04 14:40:17 xD but no one of these 5000 had optin to test "early access" updates Jun 04 14:40:26 no, they all did Jun 04 14:41:22 i dont think they really know it... or does pc say that they sell unstable beta hard/software? Jun 04 14:41:59 they don't sell any hardware at all. the hardware you have is a free gift from the crowd funding campaign Jun 04 14:42:29 i mean, unless you can actually buy these on the open market yet. i don't think you can? Jun 04 14:42:36 except second hand ones of course Jun 04 14:43:03 you can order one from them now (not thru igg) but I doubt if they're shipping yet. Jun 04 14:43:07 clove is taking pre-orders Jun 04 14:43:15 https://store.planetcom.co.uk/collections/gemini-pda/products/gemini-pda-1 Jun 04 14:43:16 "first stock expected 18th of june" Jun 04 14:44:32 ali1234: yeah you are right but the communication is more or less, that it is a finished product... thats what i mean. Jun 04 14:45:42 this always happens with niche technology though Jun 04 14:45:47 N900 was exactly the same Jun 04 14:45:57 sold as a finished product but it blatantly wasn't Jun 04 14:46:29 and i'm pretty sure they also gave away more than they actually sold Jun 04 14:46:41 Jolla was sold as beta product which it was, but a lot of users didn't understand that Jun 04 14:46:55 yeah, that too Jun 04 14:47:36 the whole line of products was "an experiment" from the start Jun 04 14:51:39 I had one of the older Nokia N series. Before iPhone came out, was able to websurf and all that. It was cool. Jun 04 14:57:23 canny[m]: I've used a bluetooth mouse with the gemini on Linux just fine Jun 04 15:04:29 canny[m]: I'm using bluetooth headphones without a problem. I think I had to install pulseaudio-bluetooth. Jun 04 15:21:53 jamez: cheers - will give that a go later Jun 04 15:26:47 sooo glad I didn't find / try the update this morning! Jun 04 15:26:55 * TallTim shudder Jun 04 15:26:57 Yeah, me too Jun 04 15:27:14 I'm crazy enough to just do it by default when it pops up an alert like that Jun 04 15:31:23 canny[m] you're welcome. Did anyone have any luck with HDMI on Linux? My understanding is that we may be missing something at the fb driver level ( xf86-video-hwcomposer ). Is that correct? Jun 04 15:33:59 that's one thing I haven't got round to trying yet... Jun 04 15:41:10 I'm embarrassed to say I haven't tried receiving/making a phone call on it yet. I guess you have to open it to answer/terminate a call, and fold it up to use the microphones/earspeakers. Jun 04 15:42:47 Yeahm it's a bit of a hassle if you want ot know who's calling, but carrying two devices is a bigger hassle IMHO Jun 04 15:43:22 neither is true actually Jun 04 15:43:35 elaborate Jun 04 15:43:51 Since it isn't really documented that I can see, I'd love to hear the details Jun 04 15:43:53 the microphone and speakers work fine with it open and you can answer calls with the voice button Jun 04 15:44:03 hit the silver button to answer calls Jun 04 15:44:20 no need to open it unless you want to see whos calling you Jun 04 15:44:25 indeed Jun 04 15:44:27 oh nice Jun 04 15:44:44 when ledison gets tied to notifications, you can eventually assign LED patterns to your callers to know who it is without an external display Jun 04 15:44:51 you can see who is calling you using my app, ALEDxander, which is available on google play Jun 04 15:44:56 I tend to text rather than call, but thanks for answering Jun 04 15:45:01 oh cool Jun 04 15:45:08 probably a good strategy if this is a phone replacement is to use a smartwatch or lcd powered headset with it Jun 04 15:45:27 ali1234: didn't know you were the one who wrote Aledxander Jun 04 15:45:32 I have used it for calls, it works. One of the members of the chat made a program that you can install and it sets a pattern for each number. Jun 04 15:45:43 :) Jun 04 15:45:46 i found out about it on oesf Jun 04 15:45:56 i was thinking of changing the pattern to use resistor colour codes Jun 04 15:46:04 I use a Bluetooth headset almost exclusively. The laws here require it for driving and such, so I've just used it with my headset. Jun 04 15:46:32 but it is difficult to make a wide range of colours on the LEDs because they are basically on or off Jun 04 15:46:44 ali1234: is the apk available somewhere without google play? Jun 04 15:46:47 so orange and yellow would look the same Jun 04 15:46:53 Zevv: github Jun 04 15:46:57 thanks Jun 04 15:47:12 which is linked on the google play page Jun 04 15:49:09 found and installed, great work Jun 04 15:50:02 I'd like a bluetooth earplug or something, a lot of headsets just stand out too much. Jun 04 15:50:11 But I realize that is an aesthetics reason, and not a technical one. Jun 04 16:10:04 I flashed my Gemini with the Debian dual-boot preview image, but it seems unusable so far. Is it because I chose xfwm as window manager? Everything was sluggish, and the terminal window didn't seem to be running a shell in it (no prompt). Is there any way to just get a console on the framebuffer? I'd happily have a text-only system if it's more responsive. Jun 04 16:17:36 did you set your default shell for the gemini user? Jun 04 16:17:41 either htat or use konsole Jun 04 16:19:31 Just curious, would XFCE work for the desktop GUI Jun 04 16:34:37 tristero: xterm seems to be the only initially installed terminal that spawns a shell when the value in /etc/passwd is incorrect. So use it, sudo -i, chsh gemini (somehow user gemini can't chsh unprivileged). Jun 04 16:34:57 tristero: after that, any terminal should work fine Jun 04 16:36:06 chsh to /bin/bash of course (unless you want dash that badly or install something else from xterm) Jun 04 16:36:44 <3 for text-only system Jun 04 16:39:05 (said as someone whose 18/27 kernel commits are to vt.c, and I didn't bother to backport a graphical browser on n900 after Nokia ceased updates, so I actually use elinks as my main browser on the phone :p ) Jun 04 16:39:40 text only browsing is excellent, especially in the age of horrible adverts Jun 04 16:40:48 alas, elinks is unmaintained these days Jun 04 16:42:29 and the advantage of text mode browsing is a bit more pronounced on a phone with 256M ram than on one with 4G ... Jun 04 16:43:24 All you need is a mod to make it look like a 300 baud connection Jun 04 16:43:26 heh Jun 04 16:44:15 https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term Jun 04 16:44:43 I am often in a location where the connectivity is extremely bad. Text-only browsing is extremely nice. Jun 04 17:05:53 jamez, we're missing two things basically Jun 04 17:06:12 1. a way to enable HDMI output (Android seems to use custom framework for that) Jun 04 17:06:22 2. multi-display support in xf86-video-hwcomposer Jun 04 17:13:30 first is likely not very complicated, but needs research and I am not able to test HDMI easily Jun 04 18:23:14 tristero : xfwm makes it unusably slow. change your wm to kwin and be amazed. Jun 04 18:23:53 and there's no framebuffer driver, it seems. Jun 04 18:26:27 thanks for all the tips, will try those suggestions Jun 04 20:42:00 TheKit thanks for explaining that. I saw you work on github (which is now in M$ hands) and was very impressed. I don't think I can help very meaningfully, but I can test HDMI easily just FYI. Jun 05 00:06:26 wow it took e like several hours but I finally tracked down the full datasheet for the mt6323 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 05 02:05:33 2018 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jun 05 03:00:14 2018