**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 16 03:00:05 2018 Jun 16 06:31:18 moin Jun 16 08:49:46 moin Jun 16 08:50:12 does anybody else have the problem of a crashing file chooser? log: https://nopaste.xyz/?635589b1d7a2e3b9#1sT6VFRhfz4kmB6SvYgbrHJgdiQqBMNJ6bCDa2npTPg= Jun 16 09:11:07 nullr0ute: iirc, NFC is one of the features that got cut during the development process. Jun 16 09:14:07 hello... what are the options (if any) for rooting a wifi only unit? Jun 16 09:14:53 regtools: wait a bit longer Jun 16 09:15:18 ah Jun 16 09:16:09 you could experiment with backing up the entire device etc, but there will be an offical release at some point Jun 16 09:18:06 no rush Jun 16 11:54:46 I'm in the process of flashing the official debian dual boot image. In the flahs tool, after selecting the scatter file from the debian tp archive, the tool lists the partitions in the download tab, but the location column is empty. Jun 16 11:55:16 Do I have to select the images manually? I haven't found a guide describing this en detail. Jun 16 11:56:03 you need to have the all files in the same directory Jun 16 11:56:39 adam_b_: i do. i have unzipped the downloaded file. Jun 16 11:56:54 and then put the scatter file in there too? Jun 16 11:57:16 adam_b_: yes, it is in there Jun 16 11:57:24 hmm then it should find them Jun 16 11:57:35 so the *.img files are referenced in the scatter files? Jun 16 11:57:41 yes Jun 16 11:57:56 scatter file is text so you can just look Jun 16 11:58:59 I already had a quick peek, but i didn't see file names. And if figured, when you can download a scatter file, it would probably not contain file names. Jun 16 11:59:26 mmh.. i'm on linux btw Jun 16 12:00:12 permissions are ok Jun 16 12:00:15 you got your scatter file from http://support.planetcom.co.uk/download/partitionTool.html Jun 16 12:00:40 adam_b_: no, for a start i wanted to use the file from the image, not to complicate things. Jun 16 12:00:58 for dual boot you have to get the scatter from there Jun 16 12:01:01 the scatter file included in the debian TP zip file. Jun 16 12:01:12 there is no dual boot scatter in the debian tp zip Jun 16 12:01:19 it has android and rooted android only Jun 16 12:01:48 unless you got your dual boot from somewhere other than http://support.planetcom.co.uk/index.php/Gemini_Firmware Jun 16 12:02:16 adam_b_: oh. alright Jun 16 12:02:24 (the original version had a dual boot scatter file in it) Jun 16 12:02:36 does anyone have any experience with installing twrp after setting up the android-debian dual-boot? Jun 16 12:02:37 but that would be going back to really old Jun 16 12:02:47 i found that android wouldn't boot after i installed twrp Jun 16 12:03:44 regular android will overwrite twrp Jun 16 12:04:28 is there a way to just boot twrp once, without flashing it? Jun 16 12:05:51 susspect not, but its probably not a very useful tool given that it gets splatted all the time, though I think if you go for rooted android you might have more luck Jun 16 12:06:07 I've never used it, couldn't figure out what it was for Jun 16 12:06:39 i'm trying to make a android-sailfish dualboot Jun 16 12:06:51 yea wait a week or two and it'll be easier Jun 16 12:07:15 ah that sounds promising Jun 16 12:08:07 sailfish is just a matter of having a .stowaway/... on the linux partition and writing a different kernel Jun 16 12:08:22 you can do that a few different ways Jun 16 12:17:43 i just followed the 'instructions' here: https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=34814&st=15&start=15 Jun 16 12:18:09 from jutleys's message Jun 16 12:20:17 well nothing in those instructions should stop android booting Jun 16 12:21:01 but yes you have to do the 'boot twrp' bit just after writing it or android will pop you back to a regular recovery Jun 16 12:22:28 the anroid not booting is generally happens when someone mounts the android system partition rw rather than ro for having a nose about Jun 16 13:10:33 anyone know if the gemini pda ships its own version of mtk-tpd.idc in android and what its location might be in /system or /data ? Jun 16 14:20:34 alright, i've flashed back system.img after twrp f'd it up. so the dualboot android-sailfish works. the only thing that bugs me now is that the boot image doesn't allow android to be rooted Jun 16 15:02:17 ^ MadLad! But fair play, thats day one brickYourGemini sorted :) Jun 16 15:13:06 i was thinking: just flash back the stock system.img, but that isn't released yet Jun 16 15:13:57 wonder why planet computers treats everyone with the wifi-only model like 2nd class Jun 16 15:14:52 ... Jun 16 15:14:54 :p Jun 16 15:36:23 nullr0ute : because you're a backer, and backers are *all* treated as 2nd class . . . Jun 16 15:37:34 actually, not entirely right. backers who bought gemini for linux are second class. you're third class. Jun 16 15:42:45 and if you bought wifi gemini for linux, whoee! Jun 16 16:22:59 rofl Jun 16 18:41:20 nullr0ute: "wonder why planet computers treats everyone with the wifi-only model like 2nd class" because planet are a bunch of ameatur fucking idiots imho Jun 16 18:43:12 (aside) planet have really pissed me off all the way through. They say one thing (e.g. x25 vs x27 or we deliver in number order) then do another. Everysingle delivery date has been made up bullshit and then when you email them they dont respond. This is why indigogos comments are such a cluster fuck. Planet actively create this situation and planet can go and get fucked imo. Jun 16 18:43:18 /rant Jun 16 18:44:28 heeh dep :D Jun 16 18:52:54 lul Jun 16 18:53:00 they responded to my email Jun 16 18:53:07 maybe its just you :) Jun 16 18:53:34 i think they've done pretty well for a team of what, four guys? Jun 16 18:57:37 mailed in march, ignored, mailed in june, ignored, maile last week asking for a refund got a tracking email and response soz we've shipped it. fuck planet Jun 16 18:57:59 i think there comms are bollocks and i doub't i'll buy from them again Jun 16 18:58:32 i doubt you'll have an opportunity because there's no way this thing will sell enough to fund v2 Jun 16 18:59:10 although it has to be said i ramped up the last email and was a complete cunt. What option do you have when a company has hundred of your pounds and wont respond. Maybe my first two mails shouldn't have been so polite. Jun 16 18:59:33 i think they'll be bust by october Jun 16 19:00:13 i doubt it. what creditors do they have? all the hardware is paid in advance Jun 16 19:00:22 shame really, i know lots of people that this could be great for but theres no way i can recommend planet Jun 16 19:01:04 its the N900 all over again Jun 16 19:01:18 everyone thinks they want one, until they actually get one Jun 16 19:01:36 and then the reality is a normal smartphone is better Jun 16 19:01:53 for me as a dev and the lads i work with as sysadmins, this could be bang on if linux works well (seems it doesnt so theres that) Jun 16 19:02:20 i think that compared to other indiegogo/kickstarter projects they did well. just few months late and the product is as advertised. Jun 16 19:02:21 linux can never work well the way you want on a slow ARM chip with a tiny keyboard Jun 16 19:02:35 i didnt buy it as a smartphone replacement. It was more a mobile linux machine Jun 16 19:02:39 linux already works incredibly well on smartphones and it is called android Jun 16 19:03:02 just buy a thinkpad Jun 16 19:03:13 i have a perfectly brilliant smartphone, i dont want calls on something the size of a brick (hence getting a wifi only model) Jun 16 19:03:16 you will never be happy with anything with a smaller keyboard than that Jun 16 19:03:35 ive got a mac air if i really need a bigger form factor Jun 16 19:03:49 hmm wont i? Jun 16 19:03:50 well, that's a fine choice too, if you don't mind the price tag Jun 16 19:04:05 i'm not Jun 16 19:04:37 WorkingClassDev: if you don't need 4g, wouldn't gpd pocket be better option? Jun 16 19:05:07 maybe but i didnt know about that at the time Jun 16 19:05:30 not sure about the keyboard quality on gpd pocket Jun 16 19:05:40 i think the gemini will be spot on; well thats what i thought at the time of backing Jun 16 19:06:51 my hope is the hardware is sound as pound then I can work around the utter shitness that is planet Jun 16 19:07:06 if not it goes in the box of regret Jun 16 19:07:49 ali1234: its all company hardware so costs me and them pretty much nowt Jun 16 19:08:13 the gemini is mine so it costs me :D Jun 16 19:08:46 i just wish that they had not sugar-coated everything. they said untrue things when it didn't benefit them, such as the order tracker. Jun 16 19:09:00 and schedules that were entirely unrealistic. Jun 16 19:09:25 if they'd stuck to reasonable estimates of the truth, they would be far better off, and so would we. Jun 16 19:10:27 correct, if they'd been upfront i'd have loved them. Ignoring emails (really rather nice ones just asking questions), bullshiting updates on ig, random answering in the comments and then saying completely different things on twitter really broke me to the point 2 weeks after the last 'deadline' i ranted my shit on ig and mailed them to say get fucked, give a refund. Jun 16 19:10:41 i'll continue to play with the gemini, but i'll be ordering the gpd for work and keep carrying my Q10. Jun 16 19:12:32 I didnt even need estimates. If they'd said "Hey were in the factory" next update... "factory done we have 2,000 4g units and are shipping. We plan on wifi after 4g so may be a while"... rinse repeat I'd have been ok with that. Instead we have "hey guys we are working to order number priority, we are making units"... Months go by "Wheres the wifi models" another month goes by "Oh we'll do them soon" FU Jun 16 19:12:34 planet with that shit, get fucked right off Jun 16 19:14:11 then we also got the checker what late april? that was a lie fest. A tool to lie to your custoemrs, bravo planet ya fucking mugs Jun 16 19:14:22 Sorry i need to stop raging about this :D Jun 16 19:14:32 it has however, really pushed my buttons :D Jun 16 19:16:04 I also got triggered when I knew newer backers were receiving their devices before I did, even though I have the 4g with all in one order but now that I got my unit it did not matter anymore Jun 16 19:16:13 I will however find an event they are at hawking for business and have this out with them face 2 face just cus its not right what they've done. Jun 16 19:16:46 yea its not right when they say it'll be order number sorted and then just chuck that out steve-marinos Jun 16 19:17:28 what I thought back then is they should not say 1st backed 1st received, because my device was late because of the keyboard layout Jun 16 19:17:41 correct Jun 16 19:18:06 if they'd been upfront about wifi units from feb when they started making things I'd have upgraded Jun 16 19:18:12 i was on the fence anyway Jun 16 19:18:25 let us not forget, though, the tremendous work being done by TheKit and adam_b. they are doing yeoman work and, frankly, saving PC's bacon. Jun 16 19:18:38 I do understand what you are saying mate Jun 16 19:18:42 without them, the whole linux thing would have been pretty much a lie. Jun 16 19:19:02 very true dep Jun 16 19:19:33 that was completely predictable though. nobody has ever made "real" linux work well on mobile devices Jun 16 19:19:44 and i should mention the others who are also working on it. Jun 16 19:19:48 N900 was the closest Jun 16 19:19:54 and it was buggy as hell Jun 16 19:20:01 steve-marinos: when i ordered there was no distinction between 4g models and wifi only models. Now not only have wifi been made last the tooling is missing that is availble for the 4g models. If i'd knowen this I would have gone 4g from the beginning Jun 16 19:20:43 WorkingClassDev, yeah I would have done the same and felt same Jun 16 19:20:44 ali1234 : but that doesn't mean it can't be done, only that no one has done it. Jun 16 19:21:21 it means it couldn't be done by the then no 2 phone manufacturer Jun 16 19:21:36 and that means four guys who know next to nothing about linux aren't going to pull it off Jun 16 19:21:40 I believe for the near future our close approach is going to be sailfish Jun 16 19:21:55 i agree re. sailfish. let's hope. Jun 16 19:22:14 and sailfish is made by the same people who did the N900 :) Jun 16 19:22:22 for me i dont care about any of that. If i could single boot into linux I'd be happy Jun 16 19:22:25 or maybe the next linux drop will astound us all, little thanks to PC. Jun 16 19:22:34 I was hoping kali devs would be interested in such device Jun 16 19:22:45 heheh dep i think that could happen :D Jun 16 19:22:58 WorkingClassDev: you know it uses hybris right? so even if you single boot linux, you still need android around Jun 16 19:23:10 I hate that PC will make cash of the backs of people who aren't getting paid Jun 16 19:23:18 ali1234: yes Jun 16 19:23:18 and hybris was made by... yep, the people who made the N900 Jun 16 19:23:45 is sailfish running an android kernel? Jun 16 19:23:45 but thats mostly a mediatek thing cus they wont play nice Jun 16 19:23:56 well sailfish is officially supporting the Gemini Jun 16 19:24:06 but it is not what maemo was either Jun 16 19:24:10 it uses hybris as well afaik Jun 16 19:24:17 it is now close to android than it is to maemo Jun 16 19:25:23 maemo had more freedom over sailfish the way I see it Jun 16 19:25:40 and still I take sailfish over android Jun 16 19:25:50 personally, i like android a lot Jun 16 19:26:12 the Debian part is still a lot of hardwork in progress Jun 16 19:26:16 im a big android fan but for the form factor of a gemini i cant help thinking its gonna be a sack of shit Jun 16 19:26:29 it is, because the keyboard is useless and just gets in the way Jun 16 19:26:47 my nokia 7 plus is basically the gemini without a keyboard (and a decent camera and working compass) Jun 16 19:27:06 also android one, no vendor trash Jun 16 19:27:18 i get why they went android but its not perfect for this form factor Jun 16 19:27:33 it is all marketing Jun 16 19:27:39 it's more like the form factor isn't perfect for android Jun 16 19:27:40 im interested to see what its like when mine turns up Jun 16 19:28:08 steve-marinos: its more about the app ecosystem, e.g. it can run all your favourite android apps (badly) Jun 16 19:28:30 it runs them fine, as long as you enable rotation and hold it like a book, and ignore the keyboard Jun 16 19:28:31 what I meant it is to attract the most Jun 16 19:29:01 heeh we'll see!!!!!! Garmin and strava and zwift are not happy in forced rotation at all Jun 16 19:29:01 android fans and linux users Jun 16 19:29:20 yes correct it absolute that steve Jun 16 19:29:20 you can just turn off forced rotation... and uninstall the app bar thing Jun 16 19:29:34 i don't much like android, especially by virtue of it being pretty much entirely spyware. Jun 16 19:29:42 hmm a portrait app on a gemini sounds like aids Jun 16 19:30:08 to be completely honest I was hoping for a debian when i 1st knew about it, and was completely against sailfish Jun 16 19:30:11 dep i got a pixel, best phone ive owned imho Jun 16 19:30:19 now I am betting on sailfish Jun 16 19:30:19 yes it spies etc but i let it Jun 16 19:30:25 indeed. and full of spyware. Jun 16 19:30:41 i signed up for that though 100% Jun 16 19:31:01 i find a lot of it really useful Jun 16 19:31:01 and that's just google -- with gemini, we have mediatek, too. Jun 16 19:31:08 yea Jun 16 19:31:15 same. and what are they going to do with the information anyway? Jun 16 19:31:29 who cares Jun 16 19:31:30 nobody cares where i ate lunch Jun 16 19:31:39 boil it and drink it Jun 16 19:31:44 they wouldn't be collecting it if they didn't have something in mind. Jun 16 19:31:57 again marketing mostly Jun 16 19:32:02 I get 6 pence for telling them my salary so you know.... (google rewards are hilarious) Jun 16 19:32:05 and the keylogger/log app is vulnerable to escalation of privileges. Jun 16 19:32:24 yeah but that's not a problem on my nokia :) Jun 16 19:32:26 so dep you wont use a gemini ? Jun 16 19:33:00 did anybody flashed the gemini successfully under linux? Jun 16 19:33:04 yes Jun 16 19:33:10 i won't use mine except on debian side until i get it locked down via netguard, which i'm still figuring out. Jun 16 19:33:13 i also flashed it unsuccessfully under linux Jun 16 19:33:26 I get a error after clicking "read back" and rebooting the gemini Jun 16 19:33:39 you probably forgot to disable network manager Jun 16 19:33:48 hmm but the keylogger (err debug thing) works irrespective of the os right ? Jun 16 19:33:52 I flashed it successfully today Jun 16 19:33:55 read this https://github.com/ali1234/gemini-stuff Jun 16 19:33:59 ali1234: on my laptop? Jun 16 19:34:04 yeah Jun 16 19:34:29 i thought the keylogger was android only. but given this weird OS architecture, who knows? Jun 16 19:34:41 it is android only Jun 16 19:34:57 i thought it was on chip and part of the firmware blob dep Jun 16 19:34:57 it is an apk, so it can't run under hybris - that only does libc wrapping, not dalvik Jun 16 19:35:04 ah, I see @your page Jun 16 19:36:00 "on chip keylogger" is an oxymoron Jun 16 19:36:15 obviously the chip has to log the keys, otherwise they would not do anything Jun 16 19:36:23 why? Jun 16 19:36:37 because if the chip could not read the keys it would not know if you pressed one! Jun 16 19:37:08 i thought it had something took the input and stored it in ram by default. e.g it was a default behaviour on chip. I was under the impression it was then upto a driver to intergate that or turn it off Jun 16 19:37:33 i could have read it wrong, tech press these days is shocking bullshit so its hard to figure out wtf is actually happening Jun 16 19:37:35 well, again, it has to write everything to memory to function Jun 16 19:37:41 true dat Jun 16 19:37:50 correct so on chip ?!? Jun 16 19:38:03 i mean Jun 16 19:38:07 i know :D Jun 16 19:38:12 literally everything the chip does gets stored to memory Jun 16 19:38:13 high 5 mate :D Jun 16 19:38:21 for any chip Jun 16 19:38:32 that's just a fact of how computers work Jun 16 19:38:40 correct :D Jun 16 19:38:50 at least von neumann CPUs anyway Jun 16 19:38:57 ali1234: didn't help - still get the " p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } ERROR : STATUS_ERR (-1073676287) , MSP ERROE CODE : 0x00. " Jun 16 19:39:11 mifritscher: you have to hard reset the gemini if it is stuck in DA mode Jun 16 19:39:19 it is _not_stock Jun 16 19:39:22 *stuck Jun 16 19:39:33 it boots happily into android after this Jun 16 19:39:33 i dont know then. permission error maybe? Jun 16 19:39:41 read the whole guide, that's why i wrote it :) Jun 16 19:41:14 dialout - check Jun 16 19:41:14 udev - (copy and reload) - check Jun 16 19:41:14 start the flash - check Jun 16 19:41:15 ^^ Jun 16 19:41:29 weird thing after i installed dual boot, noticed android was not root version, so i thought i would install the root version and would keep debian, once flashed noticed am on android only, no debian Jun 16 19:42:20 you have to hack the scatter file if you want that Jun 16 19:42:35 or i think there is a tick box on the generator? Jun 16 19:42:40 log: Jun 16 19:42:40 USB port is obtained. path name(/dev/ttyACM0), port name(/dev/ttyACM0) Jun 16 19:42:40 USB port detected: /dev/ttyACM0 Jun 16 19:42:40 Connect BROM failed: STATUS_ERR Jun 16 19:42:53 I yust want to read back the flash as of now Jun 16 19:44:38 if I understand it correctly it can connect to the USB port, but can't talk to the "programmer code" in the gemini Jun 16 19:44:54 you know it has to be turned completely off to flash right? Jun 16 19:45:10 not at the recovery screen Jun 16 19:45:34 true Jun 16 19:45:40 then you start the flash, then you turn it on Jun 16 19:45:46 learned the hardway Jun 16 19:45:53 thought i broke it Jun 16 19:46:18 I did the reboot way, but starting from a off device produces the same Jun 16 19:46:35 are you using the correct USB port? Jun 16 19:46:56 do you have internal 3G/4G modem (if using laptop) or USB modem? Jun 16 19:47:55 (the message comes immedatialy after powering on the device) Jun 16 19:48:17 I used the left port - if I use the right port it gets nothing Jun 16 19:49:33 hmm, I've indeed a umts devise in my laptop, but it seems that the flasher speaks to the right device (ttyACM0, which popps up for a second while rebooting the device) Jun 16 19:49:59 I've disabled ModemManager alltogether Jun 16 19:52:12 whole log: https://nopaste.xyz/?4890428957b81cca#Yp/AnudjvU2Pacs34afb0Aq6P7GenRBMnPqI62foaj8= Jun 16 19:54:55 ok, running the flasher as root makes no difference Jun 16 19:56:46 uwahh- the culprit was virtualbox! Jun 16 19:56:59 it managed to screw the usb somehow Jun 16 19:58:12 thanks, it worked now :-) Jun 16 21:42:19 any eta on firmware image for wifi only models? Jun 17 01:48:47 Hello, can anyone here assist in OESF account approval? Ive been trying for a few weeks to get in the Gemini PDA subforum **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jun 17 03:00:02 2018