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Jun 18 06:30:02 <TheKit> emdlogger seems to be part of MTK logger for telephony
Jun 18 06:30:10 <TheKit> can be likely safely disabled/removed
Jun 18 14:01:08 <cos-> hm, i'd like to do this https://geminiplanet.com/upgrading-firmware-on-a-rooted-dual-boot-gemini/   but there's no Settings > About phone > Firmware update
Jun 18 14:01:37 <cos-> only wirelessupdate which doesn't have manual update option
Jun 18 14:14:56 <adam_b_> cos-: well so far as I know they've not released the new android firmware on the support site, it does say in the article 'usually a few weeks after' we are still only a few days...
Jun 18 14:16:30 <nullr0ute> i have the new system.img that you can flash, if you're willing to trust a stranger on the internet i'm willing to send you a link
Jun 18 14:17:16 <cos-> i have downloaded the firmware package for flasher tool, is some file there the ota.zip?
Jun 18 14:19:10 <adam_b_> I still recommend waiting for the new image, the current one is still the 11/05/2018 release, this ota.zip thing is probably a redherring for now that will become clear when they actually release it
Jun 18 14:21:58 <cos-> but as i said i don't even have option to install ota.zip
Jun 18 14:22:36 <adam_b_> yea I suspect this new update will add those options for use next time
Jun 18 14:23:58 <cos-> but the option is needed for the update :-)
Jun 18 14:24:01 <adam_b_> or the option only appears when you have an ota.zip on a memory card
Jun 18 14:24:30 <adam_b_> well no you just do the update like before this option was added with the flash tool, obviously only once its realeased
Jun 18 14:24:34 <cos-> the screenshot and app name look different than what i have
Jun 18 14:25:15 <cos-> they have scatter file generator on the webpage, is it safe to generate a new scatter file and flash system partition?
Jun 18 14:25:33 <adam_b_> nope you'd need to pick exactly the same sizes
Jun 18 14:26:26 <adam_b_> one option is to keep the current one and then just swap in the new system.img (or take it from nullr0ute)
Jun 18 14:27:15 <cos-> is it possible to download scatter file from device somehow? i used the static one provided with first android+linux image.
Jun 18 14:27:37 <adam_b_> then you can still use that
Jun 18 14:29:00 <cos-> ..except the old scatter file is not available at the firmware page..
Jun 18 14:29:20 <adam_b_> oh yea I asked them to delete it as it was confusing people
Jun 18 14:29:37 <adam_b_> I'll give you a link
Jun 18 14:29:52 <nullr0ute> https://github.com/gemian/gemini-keyboard-apps/wiki/Flashing#firmware-backupyou can make extract images from your gemini and create a scatter file with these instructions:
Jun 18 14:30:06 <nullr0ute> oops. that went wrong. https://github.com/gemian/gemini-keyboard-apps/wiki/Flashing#firmware-backup
Jun 18 14:30:20 <adam_b_> original file http://gemian.thinkglobally.org/Gemini_Debian_TP_Scatter.txt
Jun 18 14:30:48 <cos-> thanks
Jun 18 14:31:02 <adam_b_> though that file will need the filenames changed for the latest files (they renamed a couple of things)
Jun 18 14:31:55 <nullr0ute> i went the crazy route. backup the gemini, install latest version from official documentation, update that, make another backup (of just the system.img) then flash back everything (but with the new system.img)
Jun 18 14:32:08 <nullr0ute> i guess i also could've waited a couple of weeks
Jun 18 14:33:23 <adam_b_> nullr0ute: thats fine if all the changes were in the system.img
Jun 18 14:33:53 <cos-> nice, readback says  ERROR : STATUS_ERR (-1073676287) , MSP ERROE CODE : 0x00.
Jun 18 14:33:56 <adam_b_> from the sounds of it there were changes elsewhere, so may still be worth updating in a few days/weeks when it comes out
Jun 18 14:34:24 <adam_b_> so that scatter file is not the right one?
Jun 18 14:34:57 <cos-> no clue why it fails
Jun 18 14:36:28 <adam_b_> I tended to find the flash tool would fail once per flash attempt, generally it worked second time
Jun 18 14:36:51 <adam_b_> Your doing the 'download only' and picked only the system.img file?
Jun 18 14:37:16 <cos-> no, i'm trying to read back the NVRAM0
Jun 18 14:37:31 <adam_b_> oh right back to square one, so you lost the last backup of it?
Jun 18 14:38:04 <cos-> i should have it on another PC, but i'd like to have another copy. it used to work before with the unofficial flasher tool.
Jun 18 14:38:27 <adam_b_> (and you've downloaded the latest version of the flash tool, ie since 11/5/18
Jun 18 14:38:44 <adam_b_> you need the latest one for the partial flashing
Jun 18 14:39:09 <adam_b_> though actually there was mention of changes to both the scatter files and the flash tool for that to work
Jun 18 14:39:52 <cos-> yes, i just downloaded the latest version. i haven't flashed on this pc before.
Jun 18 14:40:44 <cos-> i'll just skip the readback and try to flash system.img then..
Jun 18 14:41:01 <nullr0ute> try the 'old' flash tool to backup your NVRAM
Jun 18 14:41:02 <adam_b_> before you do that you might want to check if nullr0ute is a x25/27
Jun 18 14:41:13 <nullr0ute> mine is a x27
Jun 18 14:41:40 <cos-> x25 here
Jun 18 14:41:48 <adam_b_> so probably best to wait
Jun 18 14:42:06 <adam_b_> it should be soon, especially if they are giving out screenshots and details for articles
Jun 18 14:42:30 <cos-> ok, maybe i'll wait for that
Jun 18 14:42:38 <adam_b_> usually companies that give out pre-release details also embargo publication
Jun 18 14:43:47 <cos-> but my wirelessupdate looks much different from this, probably it's an older version https://i2.wp.com/geminiplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Screenshot_20180615-125517a.png?w=2000&ssl=1
Jun 18 14:44:22 <cos-> i hope there's a way to upgrade it ota
Jun 18 15:23:49 <steve-marinos> TheKit, I need advise can you we go PM?
Jun 18 15:25:27 <TheKit> adam_b_, generally Android updates modify only system.img
Jun 18 15:25:32 <TheKit> steve-marinos, ok
Jun 18 15:25:48 <steve-marinos> TheKit, thanks mate
Jun 18 15:47:01 <adam_b_> TheKit: I'm sure I read someone had unpacked the latest OTA and found it to contain updates to things outside system.img (lk/kernel) though I don't remember where I read that or which it contained
Jun 18 15:49:02 <TheKit> boot.img is updated for sure as well, yes, forgot to mention
Jun 18 15:49:16 <TheKit> but lk... it depends if they changed something in bootloader
Jun 18 17:42:24 <WorkingClassDev> yay typing on a gemini finally
Jun 18 17:47:07 <WorkingClassDev> how to you get function keys on the keyboard, F1, F2 etc
Jun 18 18:02:18 <steve-marinos> WorkingClassDev, good question
Jun 18 18:02:55 <gobuki> cos-: i rememeber, i have seen this message when i tried to read back a user. When running as root it succeeded.
Jun 18 18:03:06 <gobuki> a -> as
Jun 18 18:05:59 <gobuki> On ubuntu 18.04 and with a radeon GPU, you might have to set QT_X11_NO_MITSHM=1. So you would either "export QT_X11_NO_MITSHM=1" or  run the flash tool with the variable prefixed: "QT_X11_NO_MITSHM=1 /home/gobuki/Downloads/FlashToolLinux/flash_tool.sh"
Jun 18 18:08:27 <gobuki> Otherwise the tool would start but would only show a gray window without contents.
Jun 18 18:11:41 <WorkingClassDev> Oh man I think Im in love with this device.  Its a real thing of beauty
Jun 18 18:19:56 <steve-marinos> WorkingClassDev, great that you like it
Jun 18 18:20:34 <WorkingClassDev> i like it a lot.  The keyboard is as good as I thought it would be.
Jun 18 18:21:25 <WorkingClassDev> Its probably not going to get for systmes work tough because of where the things like hyphens are but we'll see
Jun 18 18:21:51 <steve-marinos> SFOS is the best bet so far
Jun 18 18:22:08 <WorkingClassDev> I thnik it'll be good enough foremergency on cal stuff
Jun 18 18:22:57 <WorkingClassDev> ahh and i seem to be dropping chars, hmm
Jun 18 18:28:58 <steve-marinos> I would share his love with mine once I see anything that works over android
Jun 18 18:29:27 <steve-marinos> other than that just a decent concept smartphone with a keyboard
Jun 18 18:30:14 <WorkingClassDev> for now im just ssh'ing into a cluster at home and going to wait on the debian build
Jun 18 18:32:09 <steve-marinos> seems a long wait
Jun 18 18:32:11 <steve-marinos> :D
Jun 18 18:33:03 <WorkingClassDev> aye
Jun 18 18:33:32 <steve-marinos> lets hope PC will focus on the software linux side once they get their time for hardware spared
Jun 18 18:34:02 <WorkingClassDev> we'll see. i dont have much confidence
Jun 18 18:34:42 <steve-marinos> well I do remember on one of the interview videos that they are counting on the community for the linux side
Jun 18 18:35:16 <WorkingClassDev> this is my felling, they'll abandon it and leave it someone else
Jun 18 18:35:40 <WorkingClassDev> s/felling/feeling
Jun 18 18:35:59 <steve-marinos> this is why I have more bet on SFOS since they confirmed it to be officially supported
Jun 18 18:36:23 <WorkingClassDev> sailfish would make me haappy
Jun 18 18:38:50 <steve-marinos> would love to boot SFOS/debian both fully working
Jun 18 18:38:54 <steve-marinos> that would be epic
Jun 18 18:39:17 <WorkingClassDev> oh yes
Jun 18 18:39:24 <WorkingClassDev> might happen
Jun 18 18:39:52 <steve-marinos> pretty sure Pyra backers will have questions by then lol
Jun 18 18:40:40 <steve-marinos> since I received my device if I decided to flash today it will my 5th lol
Jun 18 18:41:18 <WorkingClassDev> hehe, im off wednesday so going to try flashing it then while building a new pi cluster
Jun 18 18:41:18 <Captain_Harlock[> I have been contemplating remapping some keys. It really doesn't matter what the keycaps say to me, though it would make it harder for someone else to use it. Not really an issue though. I did that on a droid2,3, and 4.
Jun 18 18:41:49 <WorkingClassDev> ive been thinking about this also
Jun 18 18:42:06 <WorkingClassDev> going to give the planet layout a chance first
Jun 18 18:42:21 <Captain_Harlock[> Thankfully, the blackberry priv had a sane keymapping so I didn't need to mess with it.
Jun 18 18:42:21 <Captain_Harlock[> I have thought about a pi cluster before, I'm not sure if it would advantageous for me at all.
Jun 18 18:42:54 <WorkingClassDev> i do a bunch of testing on them with docker so theyre cheap to play with
Jun 18 18:43:10 <WorkingClassDev> tomorrow i'll have ten of them
Jun 18 18:43:36 <Captain_Harlock[> I think my biggest change would be the |\: key to be mapped to " and '
Jun 18 18:44:14 <Captain_Harlock[> I use quotes a lot more than the other symbols, and it doesn't really match any of the other keymaps I use.
Jun 18 18:44:18 <WorkingClassDev> what layout are you on?
Jun 18 18:44:55 <Captain_Harlock[> US from planet.
Jun 18 18:45:03 <WorkingClassDev> ahh k
Jun 18 18:45:47 <Captain_Harlock[> I would be okay with the Japan layout too, but wouldn't remap to that.
Jun 18 19:27:10 <WorkingClassDev> and it was going so well.  Now juicessh is only showing 3 lines and is having a fit.  urgh
Jun 18 19:30:04 <WorkingClassDev> well that was fun. Juice is weird.  The whole mobi thing is broken with my locale and it ignores my LCCTYPE and LANG settings. Oh the joys
Jun 18 19:31:48 <Captain_Harlock[> I use Termus. or Connectbot.
Jun 18 19:33:36 <WorkingClassDev> hopefully be in a proper term in a couple of days
Jun 18 21:00:32 <adam_b_> cos-: just to say that I finally rebooted into Android (11/05/2018) and went to the firmware update - settings - page and it does have the manual update/ota.zip option is there
Jun 18 22:54:25 <WorkingClassDev> anyone how do you turn off the haptic stuff, ive done it in sounds but still getting it
Jun 18 22:57:30 <nullr0ute> you mean when typing? have you checked the keyboard settings?
Jun 18 22:59:33 <WorkingClassDev> where would that be, ive tried lang and input and accesibilty.  Also turned off things in sounds
Jun 19 00:44:46 <Captain_Harlock[> WorkingClassDev: you might need to update the keyboard program on android for it to apply, or possibly reboot after making the changes in the settings.
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