**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 27 03:00:02 2018 Jun 27 07:52:15 Omegamoon: OK, just wondered Jun 27 07:52:26 Omegamoon: I'll expect them if/when I see them; it's not like you're obligated or anything :-) Jun 27 08:07:03 What are the "things" preventing the use of a mainline kernel for the gemini? I'm guessing the Mali drivers mentioned above are one thing, but are there others? Jun 27 08:14:56 check the drivers/misc/mediatek directory of the kernel Jun 27 08:15:00 you'll be surprised Jun 27 08:15:12 Nothing is stopping all this code from going *into* mainline one day Jun 27 08:15:15 but it's not there now Jun 27 08:20:17 "Surprised" does not sound too good :-) Jun 27 08:20:58 But I guess the code quality is not up to snuff... It would be nice to be able to run at least a modern kernel. 3.18 is pretty ancient... Jun 27 08:22:41 Welcome to the world of embedded linux, where every vendor glues on its own drivers, usually on top of its own HAL Jun 27 09:53:00 rah, greguu: article with detailed steps for getting the USB-UART serial console working can be found here: http://www.omegamoon.com/blog/index.php?entry=entry180626-210224 Jun 27 10:21:02 Omegamoon: perfect, thanks! Jun 27 13:52:58 Is it possible to get gemian to do a complete suspend? I haven't had any success with just closing the lid with sleep configured as per the gemian instructions. Jun 27 13:53:51 Even with the lid closed I am able to ssh into the gemini. I would like it to behave like a laptop wrt suspend, i.e I would like the battery to last a few days when suspended. Jun 27 13:54:18 Or maybe hibernate could be made to work? Jun 27 13:58:50 w/j #sdl Jun 27 13:58:52 oops Jun 27 14:07:50 DonOregano: I'm also trying to figure that one out, seems it can suspend but there is no way of waking it again atm Jun 27 14:08:30 it does seem to kill network interfaces at least when not plugged into the charger Jun 27 14:14:43 DonOregano: I find with wifi etc off that on the closed suspend it'll drop 2% in 8 hours, so many days, thats why I put in the external LED indicating connectivity status so you can see if you should expect it to sleep properly or not Jun 27 14:20:24 it seems to depend on what is running, leaving e.g. a web browser running increases the drain a lot Jun 27 14:21:32 In Android almost everything seems to remain working with the lid closed: sshd for instance in my linux chroot Jun 27 14:22:30 Although it is really great to be able to copy a file over without having to open the case Jun 27 14:39:23 I guess I could do some scripting to suspend firefox and other cpu-hogs when the lid closes :-D Jun 27 14:40:02 But using the leds to show connectivity is a good idea, to get a feel for power usage Jun 27 14:40:46 I find that having cellular (red) still on has minimal impact on sleep efficiency, as in safe to leave on. Jun 27 14:41:08 rightyho! Jun 27 14:41:25 Still have to put a sim card in mine, tho'.... Jun 27 14:54:01 https://media.giphy.com/media/OSLSnHY5xLQj2MARyw/giphy.gif Jun 27 14:54:23 do any of you feel the same too? :) Jun 27 16:11:54 My camera has arrived. Do I need to shut the whole device down to install it ? Jun 27 16:30:58 Kitty: almost certainly Jun 27 16:31:38 I did. it's installed, it works Jun 27 16:39:57 cool Jun 27 16:46:45 gott the lens cover the wrong way round but it wont come off now Jun 27 16:51:54 :-( Jun 27 17:19:57 Hi, for manual update, do I need to download the Android FOTA 3 and save this to sd as ota.zip, is that right? Jun 27 17:28:34 The instructions on https://geminiplanet.com/how-to-update-the-gemini-pda-firmware/ are not quite complete it seems Jun 27 17:49:26 is it safe to do the OTA update now ? Jun 27 18:30:49 Kitty: I have done it a couple of days ago on my Android-only Gemini without any issue Jun 27 18:35:53 Oh, what have I done now?! I was flashing TP2 and Android onto my gemini, and there was an error halfway through. Now I keep getting "Invalid ROM or PMT address", no matter what I do. Jun 27 18:37:11 If I remove the flash tool and the firmware directory and start over I first get another error message, something about "MSP ERROE Code: 0x00" Jun 27 18:37:40 But if I then try again I get the Invalid... error again Jun 27 18:37:48 Anyone have any ideas? Jun 27 19:33:42 Nobody= :-( Jun 27 19:33:52 ? Jun 27 19:37:20 Not me, sorry Jun 27 19:37:52 Ask at the OESF forum, that might have a bigger audience then the irc channel Jun 27 19:58:10 When my gemini with the current offical debian image was inactive for a couple of minutes is shows a full screen world map with a UI i don't get. When I press the silver button it speaks the current time. What is this? Can i close or minimize it? Jun 27 20:00:20 did this occur to anyone else? Jun 27 20:04:35 gobuki, it's screen lock, which asks for password actually Jun 27 20:05:42 oh, yes. why didn't it come to my mind? :) Jun 27 20:05:54 i guess it isn't very intuitive Jun 27 20:06:28 it would be nice if it displayed a prompt Jun 27 20:23:13 After seeing all the problems with "updating" and quad-booting.... I'll just sit over here with my working device Jun 27 20:23:27 I'm not even tempted to use the Over The Air update, lol Jun 27 20:25:46 I have two gemini's, one for using, one for playing :) Jun 27 20:25:59 It's a gemini, not fair to have only one then, is it Jun 27 20:26:06 That certainly helps Jun 27 20:26:33 Its more a knock on the whole space that backup options are limited to root, or "oh wellz, just repartition and wipe all your stuff" Jun 27 20:27:01 yeah, but if you root, you can't update :) Jun 27 20:27:02 But that is what you get across the entire mobile spectrum. Jun 27 20:27:20 well, it's all early, I have nothing but respect for planet for bringing it this far Jun 27 20:27:44 Its not just planet -- other phones you have to go through a process that is clunky and ridiculous Jun 27 20:28:06 I don't know, this is my first android device Jun 27 20:28:23 Just wonder why its like that. Hell, if I could "dd" the whole thing into a big blob and back it up, yay.. but you can't. Jun 27 20:28:34 Oh okay Jun 27 20:28:37 Have you tried? Jun 27 20:28:41 Well, its a weird ecoystem Jun 27 20:28:50 I'd need root to do what I described Jun 27 20:29:00 Yeah of course Jun 27 20:29:04 to have full system access to every crumb of system files, etc.. Jun 27 20:29:37 I like the Gemini, just not the assumptions made by the industry in general regarding mobile devices. Jun 27 20:29:55 Different goals eh Jun 27 20:37:50 TallTim, you can Jun 27 20:37:54 with FlashTool Jun 27 20:38:26 or, actually, you can in theory, but Android data is encrypted, so you need keys and some way to mount it as well Jun 27 20:38:54 ...and there's the fine print ;) Jun 27 20:38:58 Yeah, I get it. Jun 27 23:15:00 more beer or more gemini ? http://kunitachi.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/20180608-geminipda-case-09-01.jpg **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 28 03:00:02 2018