**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 10 03:00:02 2018 Jul 10 03:44:21 I finally got around to programming my blackberry trackball+teensy. I got it working as a USB mouse now. The problem, is that sadle, the trackball I have has 1 direction that isn't working. Aside from that, it works well. Now I just need to make a casing for it, that clips to the side of the Gemini. :) Jul 10 04:20:35 Very nice Captain_Harlock[ Jul 10 07:22:49 hi all. i have the 'baseband unknown / sim not detected' problem Jul 10 07:23:06 tried reflashing android, no luck Jul 10 07:23:16 anyone know how to fix? Jul 10 12:30:21 so...anyone gotten the new Agenda app for Android to work without a Google account by chance? Jul 10 12:39:07 * devyl[m] not... :( Jul 10 12:41:36 and i'm a curious: why the hell is it bundled with google at all? whats the benefit? android it self has sync services (and with davdroid you can even sync calendars on owncloud,...)... Jul 10 12:46:59 Unless you write your own Calendar system, the android API always takes advantage of the built in one, which is the google calendar. Jul 10 12:47:31 It takes time, really though, it is sad more people don't. Jul 10 12:49:57 loads of people do Jul 10 12:53:08 same for contacts actually Jul 10 13:07:41 Captain_Harlock: Ehm, really? why do other calendars work with system calendars without problems / own systems? Jul 10 13:08:33 google calendars is the default one yes... but it's synced with google services. you dont need to log in separately on google in each calendar app Jul 10 13:09:07 maybe the agenda app simply dont use the device calendar. Jul 10 13:09:20 android contacts and calendar API are abstract - they are implemented by apps Jul 10 13:09:41 so you can uninstall the google calendar and replace it with something else that provides the calendar api Jul 10 13:10:21 for example, ZTE does this on all their phones for calendar and contacts Jul 10 13:10:46 most of android works this way Jul 10 13:12:01 the other apps that display events or search your contacts (eg dialer, email etc) do not care what app provides them (assuming they are written correctly) Jul 10 13:12:54 the planet agenda app asks for calendar and contacts permission - this does not mean "google calendar and contacts" it means the phone APIs. if you had some other calendar provider presumably it would use that Jul 10 13:13:39 o.o but i need to log in on google Jul 10 13:13:40 why should i? Jul 10 13:13:49 were you even listening to what i just said? Jul 10 13:13:58 it doesnt ask for permisson on the device Jul 10 13:14:05 it did on mine Jul 10 13:14:22 it even opens a web login form Jul 10 13:14:34 here is the documentation for how to write your own calendar provider which does not require google login: https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/providers/calendar-provider Jul 10 13:16:44 you can also install the old AOSP calendar which does not sync to google Jul 10 13:17:14 yeah you said "the planet agenda app asks for calendar and contacts permission" the app does this not... Jul 10 13:17:36 yes it does Jul 10 13:17:42 not like for example etar Jul 10 13:19:12 ... but still the app connects to google on first start up with a webview... Jul 10 13:20:58 no, that is your calendar provider Jul 10 13:21:28 i know that i can install other calendar apps. i sync my cal/card data with davdroid... but this is not the question... the question is why agenda needs to connect with google (and doesnt use the already set up calendars on the device) Jul 10 13:21:40 it doesn't Jul 10 13:23:38 it does. i even need a internet connection for agenda. without i cant use anything at all. Jul 10 13:23:47 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-YDVT6CUrg Jul 10 13:23:59 and davdroid is a calendar provider. yes. i said i SYNC with it... i dont said a use _it_ as calendar app... Jul 10 13:25:00 that doesnt mean that you can use it without a google account! Jul 10 13:25:00 >.< Jul 10 13:25:14 i know the app permissions... and i know what it does at the first startup Jul 10 13:25:26 really cos you literally said it didn't do that Jul 10 13:30:21 ali... i said it needs a google account (... login at the first start up) to work. i simply dont know / want to know why. Jul 10 13:30:45 davdroid is not a calendar provider - it only provides sync services - it uses whatever providers you have installed, which on the gemini is google calendar by default, but you can replace it Jul 10 13:31:15 when you start up any app that needs the calendar, if google calendar is the only calendar provider present it will use it by default, which requires you to log in to google Jul 10 13:31:23 see https://www.davdroid.com/faq/system-integration/ Jul 10 13:32:09 if you have more than one calendar provider installed then the first time you open an app it will ask which one you want to use (similar to how it asks you which program you want to open a file in) Jul 10 13:35:35 ali1234, your explanation was more exhaustive. Yes, the default can be replaced, I have done so on my devices. Jul 10 14:17:39 if you have more than one calendar provider installed then the first time you open an app it will ask which one you want to use (similar to how it asks you which program you want to open a file in) Jul 10 14:17:40 i cant choose one or more calendars on the first startup of agenda. i havent configured a google account at all but two davdroid calendars. Jul 10 14:21:07 so it should just use them (or let me choose one), right? but it doesnt; it "checks" (forever if i dont allow google services a network connection) and if i allow it, i get a google login mask in a webview. Jul 10 14:25:51 again, even if you say i should need another provider: why does agenda requires a login? other calendar apps just use the davdroid calendars i already set up. Jul 10 14:30:15 davdroid is not a calendar provider. the davdroid website i linked to explains this. Jul 10 14:31:35 i know ("again...") Jul 10 14:37:23 it's nice that you tell a in dept cock-and-bull story about the inner workings of android calendar providers ^^ but it doesnt answer the question why someone needs to login with google if there are other calendars already set up on the system that can be used without a google login. Jul 10 15:04:19 because you have not installed an alternative calendar provider Jul 10 15:56:15 As long as this doesn't get into the fervent passion of vim versus emacs, we'll be okay Jul 10 15:56:35 But I prefer another app entirely, so I haven't bothered with the Gemini one. Jul 10 17:08:51 >.< ... Jul 10 18:47:13 Sounds like Google Calendar is the thing wanting you to login, and Agenda is just using your primary calendar provider. So, I guess if you ran LineageOS without gapps and then installed the agenda apk it should work. Jul 10 18:47:53 and maybe you can also manually install the aosp calendar and use that instead with agenda Jul 10 18:48:04 based on what ali said Jul 10 18:57:58 yes, you can Jul 10 18:58:04 either of those things should work Jul 10 20:35:08 does anyone have a link for an apk for the aosp calendar which provides a calendar provider? i tried installing Etar calendar app (which appears to be forked from aosp) and it does not allow me to choose that calendar in the Agenda app Jul 10 20:36:56 not a huge deal for me because i plan to mostly use the To Do list functionality **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 11 03:00:02 2018