**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 19 03:00:02 2018 Jul 19 08:07:29 Can someone test: type 'gre' by pressing and holding 'g', then 'r' and finally 'e', so all three are pressed together. A stray 'h' appears for me, always. Irrespective of the order of the keys, as long as they are down all three together. Jul 19 08:08:17 YEah fun eh Jul 19 08:08:51 Mine is even more fun: a lot of dutch words end with 'er', and 'e' 'r' 'space' results in 'e' 'r' escape '.' Jul 19 08:08:57 which messes up my Vi big time Jul 19 08:08:59 not fun. I use `grep` a lot... and there are many more combinations Jul 19 08:09:10 Its a hardware issue Jul 19 08:09:16 no diodes in the keyboard scan matrix Jul 19 08:09:23 dutch, yes: 'ijn' Jul 19 08:09:38 https://deskthority.net/wiki/Rollover,_blocking_and_ghosting Jul 19 08:11:09 There are some linux kernel patches available somewhere which mitigate this Jul 19 08:11:22 this patch blocks key events when more are 3 keys are depressed Jul 19 08:11:30 so instead of ghosting you will lose keystrokes Jul 19 08:11:49 altough the 4th key wel still be emitted if one of the three keys is released before releasing the 4th Jul 19 08:12:57 I'm trying to figure out if anyone is actively collecting and mainaining Android linux kernel patches, but it seems to be a fragmented community Jul 19 08:17:41 OK, for now I wanted to know whether I was the only one suffering. Jul 19 08:18:00 No, we all suffer :) Jul 19 08:18:01 I'll be digging into kernels soon ;) Jul 19 08:18:55 By tomorrow I expect to have a updated boot android image with some fixes, including the keyboard rollover and the out of phase speakers Jul 19 08:21:49 CD ghosts to CDH; I don't like it that a modifier like Shift is part of ghosting... Jul 19 08:23:20 combine 3 modifiers and you cannot type anymore? It's not that bad, fortunately. Jul 19 08:24:10 actually, it is that bad. Jul 19 08:24:38 I wonder if Gemini would consider producing a new keyboard withouth the ghosting effect and sell it separately Jul 19 08:24:44 sorry, meant Planet Jul 19 08:25:51 Oh dear... i feel like this needs someome to type it up and actually get in touch with them... this is precisely the sort of thing people who only type English won't run into very often, so they may very simply not know about it Jul 19 08:28:13 I'm afraid the people at planet lack the technical knowledge theirselves, this is probably all outsourced to their asian supplier Jul 19 08:28:52 They know about the problem, the author of the kernel fix contacted them about it Jul 19 08:29:16 Which is why someone who /does/ have the knowledge needs to collect the data and provide it to them, so they can go to the supplier and tell them what the problem is Jul 19 08:29:26 Right Jul 19 08:30:08 But there's a lack of organized communitiy for that now. The OESF forum is mostly users, not developers Jul 19 08:30:22 I'm willing to put some work in this, but I need help from others Jul 19 08:31:27 The gemian people have a repo with some kernel work in it, but they concentrate on Debian userspace, and break Android compatibility Jul 19 08:33:15 I wonder how difficult it would be to maintain a kernel which works both under Linux and Android Jul 19 08:33:26 Not hard Jul 19 08:35:08 But at this time noone is paying attention to that. I contacted the gemian developers to see if we can get some kind of collaboration and maintain a single repository Jul 19 08:35:46 there's also Sailfish and maybe postmarketOS to take in account too, but I don't know how much they'd be interested in maintaining Android/Linux compatibility Jul 19 08:36:18 but if we'd have at least Debian and Android in a single repo, that would be great Jul 19 08:36:33 Zevv: what did they reply? Jul 19 08:36:40 Nothing yet Jul 19 08:37:11 'they' is just 'NotKit' on github, I don't know who is behind that Jul 19 08:37:38 adam_b_ is Gemian's owner Jul 19 08:37:49 I also had some correspondence with a guy called Matthew Gray, who did some kernel stuff for the camera Jul 19 08:38:02 VartiWork: do you have contact details? Jul 19 08:38:21 try pinging him here Jul 19 08:38:54 he's on Telegram too, I can get in touch with him there Jul 19 08:38:57 thanks, just /msgd him Jul 19 08:39:27 There is always a difference between caring and paying attention. Jul 19 08:39:27 I'll telegram as well Jul 19 08:39:31 or PM him on oesf (Adam Boardman) Jul 19 08:39:40 I will care about mainlining linux Jul 19 08:39:58 but I can pay attention not to break other things. Jul 19 08:40:19 The gemian kernel did some key remapping for esc and fn for example, which simply breaks android Jul 19 08:40:33 it's trivial to fix this, but someone needs to pay attention indeed Jul 19 08:41:15 of course, paying attention requires discipline. got to do it all the time... Jul 19 08:41:31 Such is the life of a software developer Jul 19 08:42:07 It requires either a lot of time and dedication for testing, or a large userbase which complains early if something breaks Jul 19 08:51:05 yep Jul 19 08:54:42 is adam_b[m] @Adam_B on Telegram, with the Adventure Time dog image? Jul 19 08:57:30 Kero: https://github.com/gemian/gemini-linux-kernel-3.18/pull/2 Jul 19 09:00:59 looks like the first patch I'll apply once I have reproduced the provided kernel :) Jul 19 09:04:28 Zevv: no, he's "Adam Boardman" there, with no avatar, he has just an "AB" logo Jul 19 09:07:16 his nick is @adamboardman Jul 19 09:07:29 Added this keyboard knowledge to https://chmeee.org/#GeminiPDA Jul 19 09:08:00 VartiWork: found him, thanks Jul 19 11:15:18 Ahoi. I was wondering how the usability of the Gemini is as a phone under Debian. Does any one have any experiences? If so what do you use? I guess #ophono? Jul 19 11:17:57 s/ophono/oFono/ Jul 19 12:04:20 tobra: https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=35054&hl=ofono Jul 19 12:05:05 it seems we are not there yet Jul 19 12:12:24 VartiWork maybe someone else got it to work though ;-). Jul 19 12:15:11 I hope that too :) Jul 19 13:11:45 QQ: how do you take a screenshot in Android? Jul 19 13:12:29 Fn-R Jul 19 13:13:57 Zevv: is a guy called "Ico Glass" on Telegram you? Jul 19 13:14:07 Zevv: Thanks Jul 19 13:14:59 Zevv: ah, seen only now the "username" field Jul 19 13:25:13 VartiWork: yes, that's me Jul 19 13:25:26 I go by many names, I guess :) Jul 19 13:32:33 hehe Jul 19 13:58:16 I try to avoid using my real name to prevent my customers to find all the stupid questions and remarks I drop everywhere. Jul 19 14:02:31 Very important to keep up appearances if you're a freelancer, of course Jul 19 14:54:31 Zevv: But surely all your questions and remarks are OSSUM! and will make you look AMAZEBALLS! Jul 19 16:23:17 dapol2: Nah, you'd be surprised. Usually I ask to soon and find the obvious answer 3 minuts after I posted the question. My answers usually are wrong because I didn't read the question properly. I leave a *very* bad digital footprint, I'm sure. Jul 20 01:54:19 hm... now I'm in the US and switched the SIM to an at&t prepaid and doenst get data running in sailfish. Booted to android it works... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 20 03:00:01 2018