**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 25 03:00:02 2018 Jul 25 06:49:27 Xa Jul 25 06:49:35 damn thats nasty Jul 25 06:50:08 serp: Have you contacted planet yet? Jul 25 07:16:31 Is there any sane way on unextending the android system from sd-card Jul 25 07:17:01 I think that it was a bad idea to extend as if the gemini breaks I have no way of getting the data of the sd. Jul 25 07:18:12 is the filesystem on sd encrypted or otherwise unreadable? Jul 25 07:18:34 It didn't look like anything that i could mount at least. Jul 25 07:27:58 https://nelenkov.blogspot.com/2015/06/decrypting-android-m-adopted-storage.html Jul 25 07:28:33 I have to try that. If i can just decrypt the partition i have no reason to unmount it from internal storage. Jul 25 07:29:34 Yeah, the AES key seems to be in /data/misc/vold in gemini too Jul 25 07:31:37 Let's take that off the phone. Jul 25 07:33:15 If i can just decrypt the sd-card it makes me quite a less anxious to store data in geminis own memory and not all in the cloud. Jul 25 07:36:25 I don't have the opening tool with me at work so I have to try this later, but looks promising. Jul 25 07:52:12 btw Zevv have you tried pushing your changes to planet repo? Jul 25 08:44:18 Hi, I’m trying to flash on the Android/Linux firmware but whenever I set the scatter file I get an empty error dialog and wen I click ok the file is removed from the input Jul 25 08:44:26 Where can I even start debugging? Jul 25 08:51:25 which platform are you running the flasher tool? Jul 25 08:53:57 Arch Linux Jul 25 08:53:58 I cannot find the log output Jul 25 08:55:56 are you running with or without sudo? could be some permission issue + bug Jul 25 08:57:07 Can’t run under sudo - root has no access to my screen Jul 25 09:03:37 Got the window displayed with QT_X11_NO_MITSHM=1 but same behaviour when root Jul 25 09:05:08 did you follow this guide? http://support.planetcom.co.uk/index.php/Linux_Flashing_Guide#Download_and_Install_FlashTool_on_Linux Jul 25 09:10:29 cos-: yes Jul 25 09:12:08 (Had to build from source from that link) Jul 25 09:12:31 i used the provided binary on ubuntu 18.04 Jul 25 09:19:48 Does anyone know how to get the logs from flash_tool? Jul 25 09:26:51 logs on linux in /tmp/SP_FT_something Jul 25 09:28:02 to allow root (anyone local, really) access to X display `xauth +local` as user Jul 25 09:28:02 Kero: thanks. Unfortunately it’s empty Jul 25 09:28:28 * Kero didn't find the logs particularly useful anyway Jul 25 09:28:41 Kero: yeah I got the xhost but root had additional problems (that MITSHM thing) Jul 25 09:29:28 Looks like I might just have to try another OS :( Jul 25 09:29:29 my experiences on https://chmeee.org/#GeminiPDA/Flashing Jul 25 09:37:13 If only it supported Mac things would be a bit easier Jul 25 09:44:18 ajwillia_ms: I had a lot of issue with the flash tool; the only thing that worked for me was a Debian live USB stick on old workstation Jul 25 09:44:24 s/old/my old/ Jul 25 09:44:49 s/issue/issues/ Jul 25 09:49:10 I just booted windows for flashing. Jul 25 09:55:55 Yeah I’m Go g to see if I can do that too (shudder) Jul 25 10:01:36 * canny[m] wonders if ReactOS would allow the FlashTool to run...avoiding the M$ Tax altogether... Jul 25 10:02:55 Wow, that’s an interesting project Jul 25 12:07:16 Ok, looks like it’s working on Windows, thanks Jul 25 12:39:42 ReactOS? If MediaTek would just write a proper tool, it would run better! Jul 25 12:40:24 Mediatek seems not to care. Jul 25 12:41:35 they care enough to write *a* tool Jul 25 12:42:33 at least the tool is foss, that's really good start Jul 25 12:42:51 proper packaging would be nice to prevetn dependency issues etc Jul 25 12:43:44 * Kero wonders whether the communication protocol (ACM, but perhaps much more) can be extracted, so new tools can be written. Jul 25 12:49:00 you mean for flashing? Jul 25 12:49:56 there is xflash with better source code, while SP FlashTool has all the interesting parts as precompiled blob Jul 25 12:51:12 flashing, and potentially other things that the Gemini can do in that state. Jul 25 12:52:54 * Kero needed to add USB_ACM config (cdc-acm module) to be able to flash, but has not investigated what ACM really is, but at least standardized in some way. Jul 25 12:53:12 NeKit: oh it has binary blob? that sucks.. Jul 25 12:54:30 CDC ACM is part os a USB standard to emulate serial ports Jul 25 12:55:12 ah. Likely too low level to be intersting. Jul 25 12:58:34 xflash URL? duckduckgo isn't being helpful (or rather, xflash is a bad naming choice) Jul 25 12:58:37 i'm about to switch from my old jolla to gemini as primary phone.. has anyone transferred contacts from sailfish phone to android? does bluetooth sync work fine? Jul 25 13:15:49 Zevv: Btw, does the ghosting driver/keyboard wiring have the same problem on arrow keys? Jul 25 13:33:38 I guess so, they are part of the same scan matrix Jul 25 13:39:59 Yeah, it just seemed to work well with three keys on some emulator games. Jul 25 13:40:07 But I have not tried with the new driver. Jul 25 13:40:16 (Propably won't work then) Jul 25 13:42:28 well, the exact behaviour depends on which keys you press and how they are connected in the scan matrix Jul 25 13:42:46 so just try to be sure :) Jul 25 13:43:02 Has anyone tried upgrading the Debian version? Jul 25 13:44:07 Zevv: Yeah, I'll try with retroarch later. Jul 25 13:44:17 Btw, that program must have the shittiest gui ever. Jul 25 13:45:09 I don't know it, but looking at some screenshots it looks like they took inspiration from the playstation? Jul 25 13:45:35 It's much more confusing Jul 25 13:45:50 Like pressing esc on games normally quits the application without saving. Jul 25 13:45:53 Great idea. Jul 25 13:46:25 And just to get it to run you have to go through very unintuitive menus Jul 25 13:46:41 But it's still the best emulator available outside macos :P Jul 25 13:46:52 I only play GBA games Jul 25 13:47:00 10.000 to go before I die Jul 25 13:47:06 :) Jul 25 13:47:08 I can't even get through the Zelda boss Jul 25 13:47:16 I like SNES/MegaDrive games. Jul 25 13:47:35 just don't press escape then :) Jul 25 13:47:37 And some 90's dos games. Jul 25 13:47:47 Yeah, I manage with it, i just have to complain about it! Jul 25 13:47:56 Leisure suit larry! Jul 25 13:47:56 ;) Jul 25 13:48:01 Yeah, great game. Jul 25 13:48:07 Ken sent me Jul 25 13:48:14 ScummVM works nicely on gemini. Jul 25 13:48:28 I should try that Jul 25 13:48:41 Try, it's well made wrapper and you can get all the classics. Jul 25 13:48:52 It's fun how people complained about gemini's speed. Jul 25 13:49:02 too slow? Jul 25 13:49:07 My first thought was that will it run these games from 90's. Jul 25 13:49:16 haha Jul 25 13:49:27 And every game i've got some interest in has run :) Jul 25 13:49:43 So I have no qualms about the mediatek cpu. Jul 25 13:49:49 and remenber you're only using one core with all these emulators Jul 25 13:49:56 Yeah. Jul 25 13:50:08 And well, i'm emulating 8MHz 16-bit processors :) Jul 25 13:50:21 So i shouldn't be that suprised that everything works. Jul 25 13:50:48 Some hardware is hard to emulate, though. There have been a lot of weird architectures around Jul 25 13:50:53 Yeah. Jul 25 13:51:06 Happily there's a great emulation community for almost any device. Jul 25 13:51:21 And game programmers are notoriously creative on fixed hardware: if it works, ship it, not to worry about compatibilitiy Jul 25 13:51:43 Its funny to see on each and every generation of consoles how much the latest generation games can pull off, compared to the first Jul 25 13:51:58 it takes years to master the hardware, and in the end these games are so full of tricks Jul 25 13:51:58 I hate to admit that, but gemini might really be a device for old guys who want alternative future from the 2000's onward :) Jul 25 13:52:13 Yeah. Jul 25 13:52:30 I feel like the games get better much slower than the hardware. Jul 25 13:52:50 What's a *good* game anyway :) Jul 25 13:53:00 Yeah,. Jul 25 13:53:12 It's an artform. Jul 25 13:53:16 I spent so many days playing Hero on the MSX, or Karateka on the Apple, or Larry on the PC Jul 25 13:53:48 Yeah, there were these minigames in finland that have been later dubbed "suomipelit" Jul 25 13:53:49 Nowadays I mainly play battlefield on the PS4, but that's more a social thing and lacks the magic of the old days Jul 25 13:54:02 I still really enjoy playing games like wings. Jul 25 13:54:35 http://www.jonneweb.net/pelit/file/398/wings-1.40/ i'm not sure if there's a international page for it :P Jul 25 13:54:43 http://mvirpioj.mbnet.fi/wings/index.html Jul 25 13:54:49 oh the original webpage still exists Jul 25 13:54:53 Haha Jul 25 13:55:11 That and other games in it's genre from somewhere 94 onward were the shit :)= Jul 25 13:55:26 I still occasionally play them with friends. Jul 25 13:55:29 I never ipadded my kids, I just bought them a GBA each Jul 25 13:55:40 :) Jul 25 13:55:43 the youngest sings mario during dinner Jul 25 13:55:48 :D Jul 25 13:55:54 and the oldest just lost interest alltogether and goes play outside Jul 25 13:56:40 I think I have to give kids something with a dos and say that it's the gaming computer of today :D Jul 25 13:56:56 Sadly i think they might see through my deception. Jul 25 13:57:30 Giving a one newer machine every year starting from dos might be a great way to educate kids with computer history ;) Jul 25 14:01:12 The youngest now does turbo basic in dosbox Jul 25 14:01:18 I didn't now where else to start Jul 25 14:01:48 There's scratch for linux if you're looking for something modern. Jul 25 14:02:22 That's the visual thing, right? Jul 25 14:02:35 It has both visual and writing elements. Jul 25 14:02:44 And it's suprisingly versatile. Jul 25 14:02:51 Ah yeah I see, we've made some games with that Jul 25 14:02:58 basic pong Jul 25 14:03:21 Yeah. Jul 25 14:04:05 I guess he can manage, he's making all kind of contraptions with redstone in Minecraft Jul 25 14:04:18 I'm sure that's turing complete Jul 25 14:05:03 Yeah, it actually is. Jul 25 14:05:40 my kid is actually too young for computers yet so I have some time to think how to show these kinds of things :) Jul 25 14:06:34 I tried a lot of things, but some never took off. Like the robotics legos Jul 25 14:06:50 he's a big legos fan, but never as the fun of hookign it up the controller Jul 25 14:07:06 the good thing is that its usually free and I can use it :) Jul 25 14:07:17 :) Jul 25 14:09:07 Funny this heat wave. I'm trying to work, but my laptop is heat throttling like hell. Jul 25 14:09:14 First time ever. Jul 25 14:09:19 I just stopped trying. Jul 25 14:09:36 33 inside right now here. Jul 25 14:09:47 where are you? Jul 25 14:09:56 Helsinki, Finland. Jul 25 14:10:11 wow that's even weirder for you then I guess Jul 25 14:10:24 Yeah, definetely not normal. Jul 25 14:10:39 i know everybody says that, but, you know, Danish person will need to point this out ;) Lego is a company which produces bricks, there's only the one lego, they don't come in plural form ;) Jul 25 14:10:39 Not like unheard of, but this is the second month in a row i think. Jul 25 14:11:02 "legos" is short for "LEGObrickS" Jul 25 14:11:19 Zevv: Or isn't it Lego System Jul 25 14:11:20 actually, its called l8s Jul 25 14:11:36 just like i18n Jul 25 14:11:37 leg god bricks Jul 25 14:11:47 (godt? i can't remember :D ) Jul 25 14:12:02 hehe Jul 25 14:12:08 I think it's leg god. Jul 25 14:12:18 godt :) Jul 25 14:12:26 Damn :) Jul 25 14:12:46 From the canonical source of such information: https://www.lego.com/en-gb/aboutus/lego-group/the_lego_history ;) Jul 25 14:14:14 The termux guys don't want to fix the gemini pgup/down it seems, pffff Jul 25 14:14:45 Why? Jul 25 14:15:13 they do have a point; it's not really up to the application to interpret keyboard combo's Jul 25 14:15:40 but Android is just lame, keyboard-wise. Neglectence Jul 25 14:15:42 Well yeah, but if the system does not either? Jul 25 14:16:08 that's my point. And it would be a shame for termux not to function properly on the worlds coolest keyboard android device Jul 25 14:16:46 Yeah, is the pull request in github so i can come and have angry comments about how it would be essential to all humanity? ;) Jul 25 14:17:01 Be my guest :) Jul 25 14:17:31 ttps://github.com/termux/termux-app/pull/783 Jul 25 14:17:51 I'm sure you can prepend the missing 'h' yourself there, apologies for the mispaste Jul 25 14:18:12 Yeah, found it already from termux pull requests. Jul 25 14:19:07 do we need to make a fork of termux? :-) Jul 25 14:19:38 Just click 'fork' on the top right :) Jul 25 14:19:44 That's what I did Jul 25 14:23:40 Let's see, I think the dev is not utterly negative about the fix. Jul 25 14:24:32 Nah, not really, but the weather makes everything seem worse Jul 25 14:24:55 Yeah. Jul 25 14:25:22 we have wonderful weather in finland.. for everything but computer stuff :-) Jul 25 14:25:42 Well I installed a backhoe to a tractor last weekend Jul 25 14:25:57 That was not something that the weather was suited for :D Jul 25 14:26:10 correct sudo with x support is xhost local:root Jul 25 14:35:41 I'll add home/end support to the request and we just see if the pick it up, th Jul 25 14:35:47 anks for commenting Jul 25 14:38:43 I've never sat down and thought about it, but I guess in the back of my mind, I always knew the plural of LEGO was LEGO....LEGOs just sounds wrong! is there a collective noun? Jul 25 14:38:58 A Caltrop of Lego Jul 25 14:39:53 A...feet-pain of lego? Jul 25 14:41:50 canny[m]: Not really, lego's just a company, it just so happens the proper name for their most popular product is /really/ bad ;) Interlocking Bricks just sort of... doesn't roll off the tongue ;) Jul 25 14:43:37 i do like that whole "stepping on lego bricks hurts owow" thing, where India and the UK just sort of sit there and sip their tea with a raised eyebrow, side-eyeing an upturned power plug ;) Jul 25 14:44:35 leinir: Build a BS1363 plug *from* lego Jul 25 14:44:41 And you have the source of all pain in the world Jul 25 14:45:05 dapol2: no dON'T, that's the PAIN SINGULARITY! O.O Jul 25 14:45:15 BS1363 is a model of butt plug? Jul 25 14:45:36 cos-: Standard for British electrical plugs :) Jul 25 14:46:39 leinir: you are so right with the plugs... who designed that!? when watching US TV, I always like the idea of a plug where if you pulled the cord, it detached from the socket.. Jul 25 14:46:57 canny[m]: Who? That would be an engineer :) Jul 25 14:47:43 (and UK plugs are impossible to pack in a bag without the prongs digging into your laptop) Jul 25 14:47:58 If you want to know why this is a thing, take a look at the electric fire statistics for the UK and the US ;) Jul 25 14:48:54 (oh, and obviously disregard the grease fire statistics and whatnot, we don't talk about those ;) ) Jul 25 14:49:39 The Schuko plug is pretty much a fair compromise physically - it has the affirmitive earthing that the BS1363 does, and is less of a foot hazard Jul 25 14:49:55 I still prefer the British fusing approach Jul 25 14:50:08 Which is pretty much because we had a copper shortage in teh 1940s :) Jul 25 14:50:51 leinir: aah, I'm guessing there's a large disparity in the numbers? hey, it's 2018 - Tesla was doing wireless power transmitting back to 1890 Jul 25 14:52:02 dapol2: Yup - basically the reason the UK power distribution system's as good as it is is that it was /way/ late to the game, and able to look at the others and design it with hindsight ;) Learning from other people's mistakes is a nice luxury to have, when resources are otherwise scarce :) Jul 25 14:52:27 My Great Grandmother caused some upset when she moved to London Jul 25 14:52:32 canny[m]: Yup, there basically are no electrical fires in any British houses (at least, that is, none which can't be traced back to installations which have not been done to code) Jul 25 14:53:26 Around 1915 and had an electrical streetlight pointed out to her. The Master of the house wasn't happy when the small scottish housemaid responded with "Aye, we've had those for 20 years where I come from" Jul 25 14:54:36 She was from Foyers which had had a hydroelectric plant feeding the aluminium smelter and the town since 1896 - the rest of the UK was a bit later :) Jul 25 14:54:50 Town I grew up in still had a few buildings with gas lighting into the 1980s Jul 25 14:55:55 Was quite handy during the power cuts in the 70s Jul 25 15:02:30 so what is wrong with american plugs that there's fire hazard? Jul 25 15:02:48 There's also no such thing with EU plugs Jul 25 15:03:36 Zevv: Unshielded outlets, live pins which can be exposed when part removed from the outlet, inadequate fusing.... Jul 25 15:04:19 sounds like fun :( I never knew that Jul 25 15:05:42 The US system is about as bad as the UK used to be 80 years aog, with the difference that the UK threw away its legacy wiring system and moved to something safe Jul 25 15:06:33 Zevv: The main problem is that the wire can become a fuse in the US... which is how you end up with walls catching fire Jul 25 15:22:11 There's no central fuse box in the house? Jul 25 15:22:26 In holland it is perfectly safe to put scissors in the wall socket Jul 25 15:22:29 There is Jul 25 15:23:00 That's not the fuse, though, that's your hpfi cutting out... i think, i can't quite remeber it all ;) Jul 25 15:23:14 (i'm from Denmark, power system there's more similar to Holland than the UK) Jul 25 15:23:25 (just live in the UK ;) ) Jul 25 15:24:59 wall outlets used in India is based on older UK model... Jul 25 15:25:08 ... but quality there varies wildly unfortunately Jul 25 15:25:34 peremen: Interestingly, and i only discovered this very recently, they're still used in the UK, but only specifically for remote-switched lighting outlets :) Jul 25 15:25:36 peremen: As it did in the UK Jul 25 15:26:16 Join the EU! Jul 25 15:26:19 Oh, no, wait... Jul 25 15:26:29 Zevv: you're going to make me sad ;) Jul 25 15:27:00 * dapol2 is a brit who is paid in Euro. I'm getting worried as to whether my salary will carry on arriving. Jul 25 15:27:24 let's skip the politics, as it has destroyed many an irc channel Jul 25 15:28:13 Does the general feeling towards Mediatek count as politics? Jul 25 15:28:23 tell me all about mediatek :) Jul 25 15:28:44 You can get as negative and nasty as you want, but there is one *huge* pro: they gave away the complete kernel sources! Jul 25 15:29:11 Once upon a time was a company who made shitty chipsets for featurephones.... Jul 25 15:30:20 Who have since grown up and now just make chipsets with shitty documentation :) Jul 25 15:30:32 hm, there's no /etc/hostname on debian, and hostname is "localhost".. is this possible? Jul 25 15:31:24 cos-: systemd's hostnamectl Jul 25 15:31:26 i'd assume some very basic system package would install the file Jul 25 15:31:44 oh, that's also moved to systemd.. Jul 25 15:32:02 "hostnamectl", man I *love* systemd Jul 25 15:32:12 oh wait, we were not supposed to talk politics. Jul 25 15:32:21 Zevv: There's a synonym for "love" that I'd use for systemd Jul 25 15:32:34 it's often used in place of "make love" Jul 25 15:32:57 "man, I *f#ck* systemd", that doesn't sound right Jul 25 15:33:11 *sighs* "Let's take everything hateful about the AIX registry system and make it more convoluted" Jul 25 15:33:32 I'm just waiting for systemd to develop an EMACS module and then the whole thing becomes sentient Jul 25 15:33:35 Anyway Jul 25 15:39:10 oh, nice.. libreoffice fails to upgrade due to duplicate files in packages.. Jul 25 16:18:54 cos-: you can simply create /etc/hostname with desired name... Jul 25 16:26:45 (oh, and maybe add the hostname to /etc/hosts alongside localhost) Jul 25 16:46:29 I just updated the termux pull request, no added Home and End and support for modifiers Jul 25 16:46:41 Let me know if anyone wants a build to test Jul 25 17:37:24 s/no/now/ Jul 25 18:54:46 <_sven> https://openrepos.net/content/werkwolf/funzel for SF in gemini-pda **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 26 03:00:01 2018