**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 21 03:00:01 2018 Oct 21 12:33:16 adam_b: does that basically mean never, since it seems gemini is doing exactly nothing to support current customers ? Oct 21 12:33:42 adam_b: can one rebuild the bootloader from sources and update it on the device, without the possibility of permanently damaging the device ? Oct 21 12:33:59 I guess the answer is yes, since it is possible to somehow reboot the device into bootrom mode , although who knows how that works Oct 21 12:34:28 I wonder if this ttyACM is a result of the bootrom or of some first stage bootloader (LK?) Oct 21 12:44:32 hi Oct 21 12:44:34 https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=35576 Oct 21 12:45:22 Seems useful, I'll take a look Oct 21 12:45:46 Rotation Control Pro is only today offered for free, it seems to be one of the better rotation control app for the Gemini Oct 21 12:46:17 and no, I'm not a spambot :) Oct 21 12:47:55 I've noticed a few apps that just restart when rotated so I have to start whatever I was doing from the beginning, it might help if I can just lock them in one orientation Oct 21 14:23:01 Marex: the one day bit is more related to the point at which I actually flip the package from the "I detected you booted from boot2 I recommend you 'dd ...2'" to the I just overwrote your kernel, the getting to the messaging version much sooner Oct 21 15:48:16 is http://support.planetcom.co.uk/download/AndroidFirmware/Gemini_x27_FOTA4_08102018.zip the ota.zip mentioned in https://geminiplanet.com/upgrading-firmware-on-a-rooted-dual-boot-gemini/ Oct 21 15:55:37 also, is there even a "real" update possible - or is it more a reinstallation? Oct 21 15:56:44 (regarding the second variant - manually update) Oct 21 15:57:00 does this also work on an encrypted userdata? Oct 21 15:57:17 or are the keys on the system partition -> bumm? Oct 21 16:47:05 ok, seemed to worked fine. but instead of the fota4 image I used the one from the partition too (base.zip) - because only in this file there is the rooted boot ;-) Oct 21 16:47:29 I've flashed it with the flash tool Oct 21 18:54:01 the kernel which is provided in the gemini-kernel deb package causes a bootloop Oct 21 18:54:19 ->restored the old for now Oct 21 18:55:02 interesting that the "new" kernel has 9 MB, the old kernel 12 Oct 21 18:55:23 and no kernel modules it seems Oct 21 19:36:08 mifritscher: well the one mentioned on the DebianTP page is also 9MB, these are Android style kernels and make no use of modules, uncertain why you'd get a boot loop, pritty convinced I've been running that kernel since end of August, but you see why I'm hesitant to predict when I'd make the package do the install itself... Oct 21 20:17:39 adam_b: doesn't the Debian kernel package use some mechanism on other systems to install/flash the kernel into NOR flashes? Can't that be recycled? Oct 21 20:18:05 I recall discussing something like that during efikamx times Oct 21 20:18:56 But if the device was EBBR compliant, that'd make things even easier Oct 21 22:10:40 probably many ways to do things, some folks have made kernels that use modules, couldn't get the gemian build server to builds working ones of those though so I just included the extra modules I wanted (for ethernet on hub) and kept it the way Planet/TheKit had it Oct 21 22:12:49 EBBR compliant, huh Oct 21 22:13:38 if there was at least any support for glibc/Linux offered by MediaTek that would make our life easier Oct 21 22:13:58 *for this specific SoC I mean **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 22 03:00:00 2018