**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 05 03:00:01 2018 Nov 05 09:18:01 "Cosmo" Nov 05 09:18:55 looking at the Indiegogo page now :) Nov 05 09:20:17 "Our aim is to have the product available for shipping to the first backers of our campaign in May 2019." Nov 05 09:20:23 lol Nov 05 09:21:13 I already supported it, but do not believe I will get cosmo in may Nov 05 09:21:42 end of 2019 is I think more realistic Nov 05 09:23:57 you saw that "gold" edition? yech, that is plain ugly šŸ˜† Nov 05 09:24:50 yes Nov 05 09:28:12 newer mediatek stuff. Nov 05 09:35:44 yes... Mediatek P70, 6GB of RAM and 128GB flash mem... dual screen (2" and 6"), 24MP camera, Fingerprint sensor, NFC, backlit keyboard, 4220 mAh battery... Android 9, Sailfish and Debian Nov 05 09:41:27 I wonder if we'll need to open a new IRC channel for the Cosmo :) Nov 05 09:42:52 the issue for me with the Gemini is that Mediatek is not open source at all... there are too many missing pieces to make something work properly... I don't think that will change for the Cosmo Nov 05 09:47:40 I wish this doesn't mean that they stop updating the Gemini Nov 05 09:47:47 Cosmo is way too expensive Nov 05 09:48:06 A decent phone can be had for ~300 Nov 05 09:48:14 I can pay a bit premium for a keyboard Nov 05 10:01:18 it's a nice upgrade from the Gemini. But I still have a working Gemini! Plus what omegamoon said. I'm not buying a Cosmo. Nov 05 10:05:07 yeah... same here. why a year later a new device? they should publish a new addon cam for example or replacement batteries (wasnt there a bigger addon battery announced ?!). the firmware flashing stuff is nice. but debian support is just a joke (because of mediatek) in my eyes. hopefully there will be still a official sfos3 for the gemini... Nov 05 10:06:28 all the other manufacturers push out new devices every year Nov 05 10:06:49 I think planet believes they have to follow the motions in order to be considered a serious player Nov 05 10:09:02 I guess they are not very flexible with addons, as only camera port is exposed Nov 05 10:09:23 @The Nov 05 10:10:19 TheKit (IRC): yeah maybe... but the could sell a bigger bottom case with a bigger battery... or just replacement batteries... and the camera port can be used for a better sensor too.... (i think ^^) Nov 05 10:11:16 likely true, I agree, someone even tried to get a better sensor working Nov 05 10:13:56 I wonder, if we'll likely get same Debian as on Gemini running on it (I don't think with Helio P60 it can be anything much different), how can external screen be utilized Nov 05 10:15:13 what the heck... I supported it anyway... I like the general ideas of the device, and mostly the upgrades of the hardware sound pretty good... Nov 05 10:52:37 I also probably will not order it, but only because of its price, I cannot spend 500 euros every year for a new gadget Nov 05 10:53:15 apart from that, I'd really like to get one, it would be a great improvement over my current Gemini Nov 05 12:26:23 That new project looks pretty epic - congrats all Nov 05 12:39:01 the $200k goal has been just reached Nov 05 12:56:54 already! awesome! Planet alive == funding -> sailfish -> better chance at mainline linux, also for gemini. Nov 05 12:57:11 or at least I can imagine so. Nov 05 14:22:06 Iā€™d love to get Fyne up to speed to support this properly Nov 05 14:22:24 But realistically it needs Debian 10 for the newer libs it ships Nov 05 15:48:28 I thought so... they "Special Early Bird" items were initially 500 pieces... now they have set that to 750 already Nov 05 15:52:50 so in case anyone is still not sure to back or not... my guess is they'll keep on increasing that number, so don't be in a hurry... I wonder if they will unlock any stretch goals šŸ˜ƒ Nov 05 17:09:27 i haven't checked in in a while. if i try right now to run debian on the gemini currently gathering dust on my shelf, will i have a good time? Nov 05 17:09:50 today's new crowdfunding email reminded me that i still haven't gotten the original device to do anything useful for me. Nov 05 17:39:07 brennen: I would say nothing has changed since TP2. Nov 05 17:41:34 I backed the new device. Nov 05 17:41:54 Be happy to let you know if it is interesting or not. May 2019 they say. Nov 05 17:52:11 when i flashed sailfish on gemini, gemini finally became useful. linux will always be a problem on gemini with no pointing device, and sailfish is linux, kinda mostly, for mobile. Nov 05 17:53:41 I'll just use what it supports. Had that termlinux thing running under android since I was too deep into having configured the android portion to flash anything Nov 05 17:54:04 This time I'll try the other distros, but if they suck I'll just go back to hybrid mode Nov 05 18:16:40 ajwillia_ms: we have instructions to install debian buster but audio is confused, you get it as another stowaway same as sfos so you can just pop a different kernel in to boot it instead of stretch Nov 05 18:25:55 ajwillia_ms, would Ubuntu 18.04 work for it? Nov 05 19:24:57 the cosmo is gonna be a great device Nov 05 19:25:12 esp. if the linux support is gonna be anywhere near the gemini, it's gonne be an amazing device ... Nov 05 19:25:19 ... to not buy Nov 05 19:41:26 TheKit: unfortunately not - cosmic needed :( Nov 05 19:41:34 Which is weird but true Nov 05 20:04:26 ajwillia_ms: then stick to buster - https://github.com/gemian/gemian-multistrap-config/tree/buster Nov 05 20:09:35 Ok thanks - will see if I can get that tested this week Nov 05 20:51:39 JasuM_, not sure if you're able to answer, but with with latest pinctl patches, what else is missing to start trying to get drm working? Nov 05 21:47:14 Can't believe they're still bothering with mediatek, and rushing out another device already. What a mess. Nov 05 21:57:28 The news reminded me to fire up my Gemini again, and I'm kindof surprised to see that there aren't any updates pending via apt; I guess Debian stable really is stable :P Nov 05 22:18:46 Far too stable... Nov 05 23:17:42 Hmm, Connman doesn't have any OpenVPN integration? At least, CMST doesn't seem to. Nov 05 23:19:58 Not that it's a big deal to manually run `sudo openvpn --config whatever.ovpn` etc from the terminal (keyboard's easier than the screen, after all!), just mildly surprising when coming from the slick integration the actual Plasma networking widget/setup has. Nov 06 01:37:43 I wonder too how much effort will be put now into releasing Android Oreo or Sailfish X/3 for the Gemini. Nov 06 01:40:23 the newer Mediatek SOC will come probably with a newer Android SDK and 4.1x kernel Nov 06 01:40:33 not much info about that SOC can be found so far Nov 06 01:41:30 while kbd backlight and better camera a good to have, its quite ugly looking Nov 06 02:23:58 looks like the matrix bridge collapsed Nov 06 02:29:35 this dev board seems to match the specs of the P70 pretty much Nov 06 02:29:41 https://www.96boards.org/product/hikey970/ Nov 06 02:35:07 the third party Lubuntu image for the hikey970 has kernel 4.9.78 :/ Nov 06 02:35:42 You'd think with all the complaining about mediatek and android some smart people would pool their resources and make a device happen that makes them happy. Nov 06 02:35:51 Who am I kidding, people like to complain more than actually do things. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 06 03:00:00 2018