**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 08 02:59:59 2018 Nov 08 03:16:53 omegamoon[m] that second video must be just after the first interview. who is the developer in background ? the gemini folks seem pretty authentic but they could introduce the people behind it all a bit more **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 08 04:58:25 2018 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 08 05:13:28 2018 Nov 08 11:03:35 I'm happy they lasted long enough to put out a second device. That's unusual for a small company. Nov 08 12:40:21 they have also grown in the meantime, they have now 9 employees, according to the article on the Register Nov 08 12:45:05 with 9 employees you can't do much... so it is actually quite unusual indeed that they actually got the gemini on the market... hardware-wise it's a pretty good device... I just hope they will be able to keep up that quality, and deliver the Cosmo in time Nov 08 12:46:31 software-wise they just depend pretty much on others... I think the Android firmware isn't build by them, but by the ODM guys in China... most device makers are doing it like that Nov 08 12:46:35 also worth remembering that "employee" these days is... a really fluffy sort of term Nov 08 12:47:10 I hope too... for sure they have now the experience to design and sell such a device Nov 08 12:47:34 hi leinir... now I see double :P Nov 08 12:47:53 i always looked at the Gemini as a sort of test-case... i fully expected it to be a horrendous device in day to day use, and it's only just short of brilliant :) Nov 08 12:48:39 they gained my trust after I found out they have received that CES award Nov 08 12:59:37 basically, when i knew they had held back with the campaign until they actually had an engineering prototype, i was happy to go for the wifi model... and when i tried it in November, i upgraded to all in, because yup, that'll do :) Nov 08 13:07:20 where did you try it? at the backer's meeting in London? Nov 08 13:08:35 Yeah :) **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 08 14:03:11 2018 Nov 08 14:17:10 nice... now I wish I was there too, unfortunately I only backed it in December Nov 08 14:21:17 It was a pretty good event :) Nov 08 14:28:22 I can imagine, I have seen a couple of photos back then... Nov 08 14:46:00 omegamoon[m], and that's actually the issue with Linux for Gemini - ODM guys don't have the drivers/don't care Nov 08 14:47:12 TheKit (IRC): which drivers do you mean? Nov 08 14:47:33 I agree with you that they don't care, that is for sure... but drivers... I think they have those Nov 08 14:48:13 Mali for example Nov 08 14:48:55 the blobs come from MediaTek, and it can be verified that their checksum of same Android release on devices from different ODMs are the same Nov 08 14:53:26 ah, you mean those binary blobs... yeah, but that applies for all SOC manufacturers Nov 08 14:53:51 ODMs cannot do much about this... these blobs need to come from MediaTek Nov 08 14:54:30 and they first need to see the need for releasing them for Linux... currently they don't see that Nov 08 14:54:42 but for other parts, they have code that is written for Android and often not even by them Nov 08 14:55:13 ODMs write little code indeed, just some apps here and there Nov 08 14:55:42 those nasty salestracker apps for instance Nov 08 15:06:02 Is the code to get in the "Engineering mode" for the Gemini known by the way? Nov 08 15:08:53 I saw that the app for that is installed, so I looked up the "secret" code to start it... you have to dial ##3646633## to get into Engineering mode Nov 08 19:49:51 omegamoon[m], anything helpful there? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 09 02:59:58 2018