**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 22 02:59:58 2018 Nov 22 09:03:48 TheKit: I recall you did an Arch port with Sway and wlroots. How did that go and did you pursue that further with the stock kernel ? Nov 22 09:27:02 Anyone know how to contraol gemian-leds? I want to try to do two things: 1) low batt, less than 10% turn red and 2) turn them off at night :) Nov 22 09:27:57 I can see its dbus based but dont know much about dbus. I'm guessing dbus-send Nov 22 09:28:05 WorkingClassDev: I wrote it... didn't make anything configurable yet though Nov 22 09:29:46 ahh ok adam_b I'll have a dig through the code and see what I can figure out. Nov 22 09:30:18 there was someone 'monkeyofdoom' who hung out here who improved the kernel code for LED's and was going to make a new kernel API so I was sort of waiting for that to land before doing too much Nov 22 09:31:01 ahh ok that gives me a good place to start looking :thumbsup Nov 22 09:31:13 the new api would have supported proper control of the chip as you can program it with fades and patterns and such so that there is no main cpu involvement beyond intial setup Nov 22 09:31:39 That sounds cool Nov 22 09:31:48 but for simple led on/off the current api is sufficient Nov 22 09:33:43 the original kernel had 3 levels of power (mostly they look the same), lates kernel has 9, still mostly they look the same, lowest level isnt low enough though Nov 22 09:34:13 the chip supports 9 levels of power (current setting), and then you have to goto pwm to get more control, thats the bit we need really for it to be nice Nov 22 09:38:08 do you think that'll happen? I get the feeling the winds kinda gone out of the sails for linux Nov 22 09:39:18 well monkeyofdoom dissapeared so its upto us now Nov 22 09:39:40 but yes the wind went in that I got busy with other work Nov 22 09:39:42 After a week of tinkering the gemini is pretty much in a decent place though as a desktop, some love from PC would be nice but I get the impression they aren't bothered and want to leave it to people like yourself and the kit Nov 22 09:40:21 yea indeed. I dont really have the time. I do eCom and it xmas coming up so we are smashed with work Nov 22 09:40:23 that was always the way, they've contributed a few keyboard maps, the flash system, and distribution of builds Nov 22 09:40:48 oh sorry I didn't realise. I thought they at least had someone their end doing some of the more grungy bits Nov 22 09:41:03 * WorkingClassDev faith in PC drops lower and lower Nov 22 09:41:30 they did an early version that had the external HDMI connector working Nov 22 09:41:50 I don't know what happened to that though Nov 22 09:42:49 and I don't know how much help they provided to Nikita I only got involved after public release of builds and devices Nov 22 09:43:25 From their marketing when I bought/invested/whatever around oct last year their marketing was that linux would pretty much be a first class citizen on the device. Shame they didn't follow through with that Nov 22 09:44:28 on the upside though flipping it open and it having a linux desktop makes out devops and sysops go gooey eyed :D Nov 22 09:44:42 No matter how impractical the device is :D :D :D Nov 22 09:44:58 s/out/our Nov 22 09:47:32 my project was aiming to just add a few more keyboard friendly apps on top of whatever planet were providing, somehow it ended up being the main debian build server for all the changes needed on top of regular debian, but at least it means 'we' have complete control over as much stuff as we can have control over Nov 22 09:49:10 yes indeed Nov 22 09:50:07 I was similar and the 'plan' was to get back to proper gui programming with either qt or gtk+. In the end it turned out to either be electron apps or PWAs ;-) Nov 22 09:50:23 although putting in keyboard shortcuts was a useful exercise Nov 22 09:51:32 The longer term would have been to buy a few hundred and send them out to our field people. However the hardware is no where near solid enough (that hinge) and the keyboard not really useful enough (that bounce). So it didn't pan out. Nov 22 10:15:40 TheKit & adam_b: I hope you're ready for an early Christmas present: https://tracker.debian.org/news/1004843/accepted-qtbase-opensource-src-5112dfsg-8-source-amd64-all-into-experimental-experimental/ Nov 22 10:17:12 " - Switch arm64 to use OpenGL ES instead of desktop OpenGL (Closes: #881333)" Nov 22 10:23:56 cool, one less thing that needs rebuilding each new release Nov 22 11:16:47 btw are the fn+vol up/dn supposed to work ? Nov 22 11:17:03 i get the lxpanel notification but it makes no difference to the volume Nov 22 12:01:42 you could check the settings - https://github.com/gemian/gemini-keyboard-apps/wiki/DebianTP#audio Nov 22 12:02:15 just the last part of that might still need setting on TP2 Nov 22 12:15:35 ok chap, thanks Nov 22 12:20:11 so im going to read that doc again :) thanks adam_b worked a treat Nov 22 15:01:58 good stuff, if you feel like adding the bit you needed to the TP2 page that would be handy, it might be you only needed to do that if you added a new user? Nov 23 01:33:29 re4son: jupp, breaks great many arm64 server systems with real GPUs **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 23 03:00:01 2018