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Dec 12 05:30:20 <greguu> re4son: hi mate, big thanks for the kali port, much appreciated. greetings from nz.
Dec 12 10:33:17 <munchausen> TheKit desktop ubuntu
Dec 12 10:33:27 <munchausen> I haven't found time to try it yet
Dec 12 10:34:11 <munchausen> But presumably I can use a desktop image and gemini kernel + modules, then add the gka repo for the other gemini specific stuff?
Dec 12 10:41:28 <TheKit> some packages would likely need to be rebuilt due to different library versions/ABI mismatch as well
Dec 12 10:42:27 <TheKit> I have base KDE Neon 18.04 running, but not much Gemini-specific stuff ported yet
Dec 12 11:02:54 <munchausen> I'm fine rebuilding packages
Dec 12 11:04:01 <munchausen> TheKit I have a vague memory that currently the GKA packages are not set up for cross compiling?
Dec 12 11:04:11 <munchausen> Seems a little strange to me
Dec 12 11:04:39 <TheKit> yes, using arm64 host or QEMU is easier
Dec 12 11:09:17 <munchausen> Ok, I guess qemu is the way forward then :)
Dec 12 11:09:55 <munchausen> Is it possible with qemu space emulation?
Dec 12 11:10:05 <munchausen> Also, could you possibly share your work so far?
Dec 12 11:11:24 <munchausen> Hmm. Does KDE neon use the ubuntu repositories?
Dec 12 11:16:04 <munchausen> Uhh I meant userspace emulation
Dec 12 11:16:26 <munchausen> I guess that might be a PITA
Dec 12 12:00:21 <WorkingClassDev> So new firmware for linux.  Anyone know if the versions are bumped or a newer kernel ?
Dec 12 15:41:15 <munchausen> TheKit ^^
Dec 12 15:50:55 <WorkingClassDev> I noticed after I posted this (sorry at work so err multitasking) that is says current users do not need to upgrade.  When I get home I'll try a dist-upgrade and see what happens :)
Dec 12 15:53:21 <andy_xyz> Does X11 OpenGL work on Gemini? If so I have a way better Fyne setup that should work on current release :)
Dec 12 17:09:07 <TheKit> munchausen, sorry, was outside
Dec 12 17:09:16 <TheKit> andy_xyz, only OpenGL ES
Dec 12 17:10:58 <TheKit> WorkingClassDev, no changes in firmware package besides kernel/lk compiled from newer sources to support November HW revision with different LCD/touchscreen controller
Dec 12 17:11:48 <WorkingClassDev> k, ta TheKit
Dec 12 17:12:52 <TheKit> munchausen, you mean do they use userspace emulation for building their packages?
Dec 12 17:45:32 <andy_xyz> TheKit: ok thanks - will see if I can use ES without too much trouble
Dec 12 17:45:53 <TheKit> it should be ok if you did not use legacy GL functions
Dec 12 17:55:29 <TheKit> munchausen, if you want, I can upload rootfs I have, but it is hacky (I downloaded their PineBook image and installed Gemini-specific package)
Dec 12 18:08:02 <andy_xyz> TheKit: it’s written for #version 350 currently
Dec 12 20:23:20 <munchausen> TheKit yeah I was wondering if I can build the GKA stuff with qemu userspace emulation. But thinking about it, getting all the dependencies to match whatever is installed on the target OS would be too tricky I bet
Dec 12 20:23:54 <munchausen> TheKit did you just install kernel and modules? I guess I can do this myself
Dec 12 20:28:21 <TheKit> munchausen, basically required repos just added in chroot and it matches, see https://github.com/gemian/gemini-keyboard-apps/wiki/BuildServer
Dec 12 20:31:29 <TheKit> https://puu.sh/CgDLh/465fc53f05.png - I have these built on local server, which are the basic ones to boot and have graphics
Dec 12 20:31:53 <TheKit> (except jenkins-debian-glue, of course)
Dec 12 20:35:38 <munchausen> TheKit so its basically graphics acceleration and keyboard layout stuff?
Dec 12 20:35:47 <TheKit> yes
Dec 12 20:38:41 <munchausen> Hmm. So I can probably just download an ubuntu image, do a qemu chroot, install the gemini packages, and flash it to the gemini?
Dec 12 20:39:34 <TheKit> should work
Dec 12 20:39:41 <TheKit> do you want to attempt GNOME Shell?
Dec 12 20:40:04 <munchausen> I was going to use xfce
Dec 12 20:40:12 <munchausen> And customise it a bit
Dec 12 20:40:27 <munchausen> Is there something in the way of gnome?
Dec 12 20:41:01 <TheKit> there is a boot image included in Gemian kernel packages that allows to boot rootfs .stowaways/debian folder on /
Dec 12 20:41:14 <TheKit> to boot rootfs from*
Dec 12 20:41:55 <TheKit> for GNOME, mutter needs to be built with --enable-gles2 --enable-egl-xlib options or it will use slow GL software rendering
Dec 12 20:43:11 <munchausen> Hmm what so you're saying I create a /.stowaways/debian folder in my gemian install and put my new rootfs there for testing by using the alternative boot image?
Dec 12 20:43:43 <TheKit> es
Dec 12 20:43:47 <TheKit> *yes
Dec 12 20:43:59 <munchausen> That seems like an easy way to go
Dec 12 20:44:17 <munchausen> Can I reflash the boot image from gemian?
Dec 12 20:44:34 <munchausen> I'm not exactly clear on what all the different partitions are
Dec 12 20:45:17 <munchausen> The gemini boot process is not completely clear to me anyway. I know that the kernel has its own partition. I didn't see a map anywhere
Dec 12 20:45:46 <munchausen> I have 32 partitions!
Dec 12 20:46:55 <TheKit> https://github.com/gemian/gemini-keyboard-apps/wiki/Bootloader
Dec 12 20:47:21 <TheKit> ls /dev/disk/by-partlabel
Dec 12 20:49:04 <munchausen> Oooh partition labels are nice
Dec 12 20:51:52 <munchausen> So presumably we have linux = rootfs, linux_boot = initrd/boot image you mentioned above, lk = kernel, lk2 = alternative kernel?
Dec 12 20:52:08 <munchausen> Does linux use anything else? Hopefully not...
Dec 12 20:53:59 <TheKit> if you have linux_boot, that means yours lk is before update
Dec 12 20:54:16 <TheKit> lk/lk2 are bootloader/backup(?) bootloader
Dec 12 20:54:41 <munchausen> Oh no, what update?
Dec 12 20:54:52 <munchausen> Do I need to flash a new image?
Dec 12 20:55:22 <TheKit> you do not, but you have only boot and linux_boot partitions
Dec 12 20:55:40 <TheKit> newer multiboot firmware includes boot, boot2 (instead of linux_boot) and boot3 as in wiki
Dec 12 20:57:07 <munchausen> I don't see a partition table on the wiki
Dec 12 20:57:43 <munchausen> I mean, it only talks about the key combos for booting
Dec 12 21:07:42 <munchausen> wow may is seriously f**ked now
Dec 12 21:08:34 <TheKit> what do you mean?
Dec 12 21:08:38 <munchausen> TheKit alright I get it all now. I will give it a go
Dec 12 21:08:46 <munchausen> Sorry, off topic
Dec 12 21:09:00 <munchausen> Our prime minister just passed a vote of confidence
Dec 12 21:09:36 <munchausen> But she is in a coalition where the minority party don't support her, and now 37% of her own MPs dont support her either
Dec 12 21:09:53 <munchausen> So she officially has no power
Dec 12 21:10:33 <munchausen> But there's probably a better channel to talk politics
Dec 13 01:27:42 <Fan_Hyulick> Anyone else running into issues on Debian while trying to do an apt upgrade with libreoffice?
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